This topic is for the purpose of discussing #4341: Cooljay's SNES Saturday Night Slam Masters in 18:22.23

This game seemed to desync a lot, so there was quite a bit of strategies I had to do to avoid it.

So it didn't scream out "use FCEUX lsnes"? Sorry, I know how higher up you are compared to me Cooljay but I'm just being very skeptical right now on your decision not to use FCEUX lsnes if you were having issues with Bizhawk. Unless FCEUX lsnes also had the same issues then it's understandable but right now questionable. Edit: Well apparently the Console part was wrong so I was mentioning the other NES emulator instead of the other SNES one.

This is actually an SNES game, so you can't use FCEUX anyway. Someone should fix the console name.

This is actually an SNES game, so you can't use FCEUX anyway.

Okay that explains a lot. (I didn't actually look at the rom filename either) heh So I'll change the question around. Why didn't you use lsnes in the case of checking if that emulator also had desyncs like BizHawk. Unless lsnes also get some desyncs while TASing this game.

It's a shame that an otherwise entertaining game gets such a boring demonstration.

Voted no. Fighter TASes should go for entertainment over speed. It's amusing how you basically play chicken with the ring out timer, but only a few times.

I'm going to vote Meh (towards Vault) It's unfair to reject a speed/entertainment Fighter TAS especially when they're something "new" but even so everyone is still skeptical about it. A nice playround can go along side with this any day.

This is one of my favorite SNES games, but I'm disappointed in this TAS. I'm with Patashu that fighting (or wrestling) game TASes should go for entertainment over speed. If it's about speed, then it devolves into repetitive combos and/or tactics. Getting nothing but count-outs might be faster than a pin, but it's boring. I'd love to see a playaround in both Single and Battle Royal modes showing off glitches and stuff like that. There's gotta be glitches to be found in the game.

Any thoughts about optimization?

Voting no: not entertaining. Why didn't you use the arcade version of this game? It is significantly better looking.

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A no-ringout version of the game would probably just involve manipulating positioning to get a bunch of fast fist attacks (Biff, Gunloc, Grater and Rasta have specials involving a rapid Attack press a la Hundred Hand Slap) to hit in quick succession for massive damage. I could see that potentially being faster than a ring-out version, though I can't imagine it's that much more interesting to watch. A 2P Battle Royale (the name is misleading--It's 2v2 fighting) run not aiming for speed might be kind of interesting. I have fond memories of this game from my childhood.

Any thoughts about optimization?

Well, for starters, rapidly pressing face buttons (maybe shoulder buttons / D-pad too, haven't ever tested) throughout the end-of-match score countdown makes it tick down much, much faster - practically instantaneously. I don't see that done here. Could shave at least thirty seconds off this in real-time :) Also agreeing with the sentiment that this game would be much better suited for a MKII-style "playaround" than a straight-up speedrun.

Could shave at least thirty seconds off this in real-time :)

Oh! Even though it is already published, maybe the author takes time and adds this improvement.

I thought this was kinda hilarious. I think it may fare better to playaround a bit during the waiting times, but oh well.