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Posted: 7/14/2015 10:37 PM
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Yeah I brain farted there, I misremembered the power of that attack in that it can take you from green to zero in the speedrun route, which looks like 80 HP, On marluxia 2 it's pretty easy to take damage quickly from the flower shots, the 3-5 scythe wave attack, and when he slams the ground to make shockwaves. I use boosted raids to take care of the first form, but in a TAS the first hit of a combo has a hitbox that can clip both scythes (As seen in YT user Echophoenix's time attacks), which will probably be faster. Budgeting berserk is important because you'll need to save 3-4 wasted cards per Marluxia attack cycle breaking his attacks so they finish faster.With this in mind, it may be better to use it in the first phase whaile that possibility doesn't exist.
Posted: 7/16/2015 8:31 PM
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Hello ! Marluxia II is over ! Link to video So:
    Don't worry if you do mistakes, you can't remember everything every time ;). Indeed, the "swing" attack is faster to destroy the two scythes. Actually, in TAS, we don't need to waste cards (but I'm afraid it's impossible for a human speedrun) : Marluxia is vulnerable after a few frames from the cardbreak, so, if Sora has a good position, the card can be used to hit the Nobody... But this method asks anticipation. The flower-drones deal 40 HP per hit (no matter how many they are, that only changes the fire rate), so it can't be used to get Berserk... But Marluxia's attacks deal just enough. So, until he attacks with his machine (I don't know if it's a Nobody or a machine), I use Overdrive.
But I have a problem : I don't have the feeling that's perfect (my feelings may be wrong), but I don't see what part of the battle can be faster. Can you see anything that can be improved ?
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Posted: 7/16/2015 10:21 PM
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How about try to cast trinity? It requires Donald and goofy plus some keyblade to use. It deals a lot of damage, and it multi targets. Look into manipulating Donald and goofy to appear
Posted: 7/17/2015 11:46 AM
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I'm afraid it isn't really useful here : I can't use it while on the machine/Nobody (because I need a ground) and the animation is longer than the frames of Marluxia's vulnerability... So I don't think it may work
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Posted: 7/18/2015 9:21 AM
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1) second to last combo happened in the wrong order, small thing. 2) too much overdrive/not enough berserk? how much does his phase 1 attack do? (the machine scythes) Can you use the flowers for damage if you go in with 95 hp? I ran the numbers on that once, but 15 might be too much, I don't remember. 3) can you get a 1 cycle? in a speedrun you can't but your cards are way better here. you can get a total of 4 hits in after each cardbreak. if you assume it's optimal that's 135 x 2 x whatever weakness multiplier is, but that requires twice as many divine roses as you have. doing a hard reload while you take damage in phase one, and saving the hi potion for later may be the ticket there. Maybe slot the oathkeeper you got into the deck, if the damage is just short. 4) if you can't get a one cycle, you probably shouldn't get on his back. Let him leave and start again like normal and see if that's faster. 5) trinity limit is completely ineffective, and I'm pretty sure it would deal less damage than one combo while taking a lot longer to boot.
Posted: 7/18/2015 10:49 AM
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1) Oh, yes, indeed, thanks (even if it doesn't improve the time). 2) The scythes deal 40 HP. So, yes, I can. Berserk is enabled once you get 22 HP. 3) All physical attacks are increased by 50 %. I'll see if I need Oathkeeper and if I can get a one cycle. I'm taking a look with 95 HP.
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Posted: 7/19/2015 5:28 PM
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Hello ! Marluxia is once again dead. Link to video So, I took the HP bonus and that allows Sora to get Berserk faster (with the flower-drones). I can't get a 1 cycle : I don't deal enough damage (and getting stronger cards would be longer). I totally confirm that not going on his back is a lot faster. Actually, I can get a total of 5 hits (but it's almost frame perfect). Do you see anything to be improved ? (This time, I really don't).
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Posted: 7/19/2015 11:03 PM
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That attack you jump over while reloading, you can't get into berserk off of that, can you? Otherwise, I agree, the one cycle looks real dicey, but just for theory's sake, how much damage did that last full combo plus 2 hits do, and how much HP does he have? If you can't kill him in 5 passes, it's definitely not possible. But it looks pretty close to me. Killing the scythes a second or two earlier give you an opportunity on his face there too, if you can go berserk on a scythe attack or two, that may edge out the opportunity faster, but it all gets really complicated from this line of thought. Long story short, with these strats it's probably perfect, and it's probably not improvable, but I can't say for sure myself because I'm not experienced with this level of play on this boss
Posted: 7/20/2015 8:38 AM
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I could get Berserk with this attack but the rest of the battle is longer... So jumping over is better. He has 2237 HP (scythes : 660 each and flowers : 111). 1 combo and 2 attacks deal 435 HP. At the end of the first cycle, he has 989 HP. The animations of the scythes' attacks are longer than flowers' (and they both deal 40 HP, except that the flowers shoot many times). And I've forgotten to say two things : - Cycles are random (they don't have the same length) : destroying the flowers will lower it (and some other things). - Donald helped you out with your WR... And he helped me too : I used his card to cardbreak one attack : it has the same value, so it was faster. I can't see anything to be improved... So I'll try a proper encode (but I'll probably fail : my computer is getting old and slow).
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Posted: 7/20/2015 9:28 PM
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I can encode it. Is it on your user files? All I need is the movie file. And I'll see what I can do. I'll publish it if you want.
Posted: 7/21/2015 6:35 AM
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InfamousKnight : Sorry but Spikestuff has already done an encode (he is so fast). Link to video The video is still being uploaded, so you must wait a little if it doesn't work ;).
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Posted: 7/22/2015 5:02 AM
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congrats dude! That's two Kingdom Hearts games down.
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Posted: 7/22/2015 8:38 AM
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Thanks ! Now, there are still 358/2 days and Reverse/Rebirth to do ^^'.
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Posted: 7/22/2015 1:08 PM
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Congrats dude very well done. Sorry we made you restart so many times :P
Posted: 7/22/2015 3:53 PM
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Thanks ! No, it's okay... At least, the TAS is far better :p
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Posted: 7/22/2015 4:17 PM
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Posted: 7/24/2015 12:06 PM
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Okay ! I've submitted the movie... Can you check if I haven't forgotten anything (and rate, of course ^^) ?
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Posted: 7/25/2015 10:00 AM
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Look at this sub 1:20 time, it's beautiful! I'm gonna have to watch the whole thing again now that it's all nicely encoded and continuous. Congrats with everything. I know I was a little harsh with advice at times, but you really came through and made some impressive segments. I honestly never thought someone would actually get around to TASing this game, and you were a fine man for the job.
Posted: 7/25/2015 12:26 PM
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This sub 1:20 wouldn't have been possible without you, Ghostwheel... So, don't apologise : your advices were an incredible help ! Once again, thank you so much. Working with was a pleasure ;)
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Posted: 7/29/2015 5:23 PM
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Hello ! Just wondering something : should I create a new topic for Reverse/Rebirth ? Anyway, here is the first version of Hollow Bastion : Link to video Can someone say me if I did well with save anchored movie ? (I created a movie from a specific point, not from power on... Is it good ?) So Reverse/Rebirth and Hollow Bastion : For now, I don't have to worry about Dark Mode. Marluxia and Ansem are killed with simple combos (and Overdrive for the Seeker of Darkness). I think I'll change one or two map cards (to avoid the Teeming Darkness), so don't consider it as the final version. I'm going to do my test about AP and damage in Traverse Town (where I can get Dark Mode). Do you have any suggestions ?
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Posted: 7/29/2015 9:14 PM
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Doc Skellington wrote:
Hello ! Just wondering something : should I create a new topic for Reverse/Rebirth ?
Nah it's part of Chain of Memories. You can just keep it here.
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Can someone say me if I did well with save anchored movie ? (I created a movie from a specific point, not from power on... Is it good ?)
With any new game + movie, you need a verification file. Basically what you can do it use your current TAS, edit it so it saves at the very end, and then use that as the verify file.
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Posted: 7/30/2015 8:06 AM
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arandomgameTASer wrote:
With any new game + movie, you need a verification file. Basically what you can do it use your current TAS, edit it so it saves at the very end, and then use that as the verify file.
Yes, I did it : I took the battery file from VBA, changed its name and loaded it in Bizhawk. But my question is how to start the movie. I used "Now" (at frame 0 of course) on the creation window but was it the good way ? I haven't found a way to push Bizhawk to load the save file when creating a movie (I'm truly sorry if there is an article on tasvideos.org but I can't find it).
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Posted: 8/1/2015 9:07 PM
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Wow, I haven't been checking this, didn't expect you to start riku right away. So here's the deal, you should probably just lay out your farming strategy and get it all out of the way now. It's very easy to grind in the first world with luck manipulation, you can carry all the map cards you need at one time, and you don't need to worry anout blue cards. First encounter, manipulate a strong initiative drop. Go into the next room, manipulate the 2x wizard encounter in every battle, get at least one more strong initiative, repeat. I'm not sure how the exp rate is, that should probably be tested against traverse town and Halloween town (there's a similar deal there with strong initiative + 6 creeper plants). I'd just see what level you end up at at the end of that process (find an exp table or something, and do 80x what you get each time), and if it's high enough then don't worry. Level 15 should be good enough for a nice curve the rest of the game but you can probably even get away with less. Then you'll do more damage against every boss earlier, and have all the cards you need
Posted: 8/3/2015 1:36 PM
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Well, I wasn't expecting myself to start so soon... But I did it. I forgot to add the new version of Hollow Bastion (it beats all the test TAS I found). Link to video So, I need exactly 88 or 89 cards (if I don't count the Blue ones). I can "easily" get the 4 needed Blue (Moment's Reprieve 1 can be used for Twilight Town). in Traverse or Halloween. I'll see how many frames are won/lost with 2 Wizards against 3 Shadows and do my tests over EXP, AP, Dark Mode (AP boost) and damage. I feel like you're going to help me again... And know that's an honour and a pleasure. So thank you !
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Posted: 8/5/2015 3:07 PM
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Here are the conclusions about AP and damage :
    AP is literally how many damage you deal : if AP = 15, you'll deal 15 HP. Overdrive still boosts by a +50% : if AP = 15, you'll deal 22 HP (the game doesn't care about the decimal). Dark Mode also boosts by a +50% BUT (and that's where it's getting interesting) you can cumulate both and get 225% of a normal attack : if AP = 15, then you'll deal 22 (thanks to Dark Mode) + 22/2 = 33 (or 15 * 9/4) HP. This is so powerful to get a +125% bonus !
EDIT : About the battles :
    On average (based on 4 battles), 2 Wisdoms lasts 518 frames (AP = 10, so it will reduce a little with more levels) against 355 for 3 Shadows (AP = 12). 2 Wisdoms give 20 EXP against 21 for 3 Shadows. 20 * 88 = 1760 (level 11 according to this table) 425(EXP at the beginning of Traverse Town) + 21 * 86 = 2231 (level 12)
So, what do you think ? I'm quite sure that farming in Hollow Bastion isn't really interesting, but my thoughts may be wrong.
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