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Warp wrote:
I have a question: Is there any sports game franchise which is eligible for Vault, but which has multiple games in the series for the same platform, and thus only one of those games would be accepted at a time? (All the examples given so far seem to be fixed-time sports games, such as NFL.)
PGA Tour (Golf) is an example which is cited in the rules, and which I also brought up earlier in this topic.
Other examples: Virtua Tennis, Top Spin, Virtual Pool, Hot Shots Golf, AMF Bowling, to name a few, all have multiple games on the same platforms.
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What's the policy on intentional suboptimal play within the game's rules in order to save real time?
Example:
Kirby's Dream Course plays a long animation when you get a hole in one. It'd be faster to two-shot every hole. I can imagine other golf games doing similar things or just special celebration crap for rare 'amazing' plays across various other games.
In Kirby's Dream Course's case, I can't see there being much support for two-shotting each hole and/or playing them optimally for time instead of low score, but such a run would be acceptable to the vault under the new rules.
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Unrelated to the above. Since tennis games were brought up and declared to be ineligible for the vault due to triviality, there already is one in the vault that is the epitome of basic. The judge's comments on accepting it lay out a bunch of remarks about how tennis games are acceptable and what the criteria for them being accepted in the future will be.
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Tangent wrote:
What's the policy on intentional suboptimal play within the game's rules in order to save real time?
Example:
Kirby's Dream Course plays a long animation when you get a hole in one. It'd be faster to two-shot every hole. I can imagine other golf games doing similar things or just special celebration crap for rare 'amazing' plays across various other games.
In Kirby's Dream Course's case, I can't see there being much support for two-shotting each hole and/or playing them optimally for time instead of low score, but such a run would be acceptable to the vault under the new rules.
It would have to depend on the game. For Kirby's Dream Course, it would pretty much be exactly how you described: A run that aimed for realtime would be accepted to Vault as an any% to coincide with the max score run, unless of course people still found it entertaining enough to make it to Moons. For other games with a heavy IGT/realtime distinction, it might not be as easy to figure out.
I can't say we have a policy that fits everything under one blanket, mostly because there's always going to be games that slip out from under it, so the best I can say is that whenever something like this comes up, it'll be handled on a case-by-case basis.
Unrelated to the above. Since tennis games were brought up and declared to be ineligible for the vault due to triviality, there already is one in the vault that is the epitome of basic. The judge's comments on accepting it lay out a bunch of remarks about how tennis games are acceptable and what the criteria for them being accepted in the future will be.
http://tasvideos.org/4577S.html
My take on it is that the serving glitch it uses makes it non-trivial enough to qualify under the new set of rules. It should be the go-to example of what a disallowed sports game would have to do in order to be acceptable under these rules.
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