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Posted: 10/19/2004 1:10 PM

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This topic is for the purpose of discussing #373: Vegetable's SNES Super Mario All-Stars: Super Mario Bros. in 05:23.90

Posted: 10/19/2004 3:05 PM

Post subject: Re: #373: Vegetable's SNES Super Mario All Stars (Super Mari

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Bisqwit

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Vegetable wrote:

Although he managed to abuse a few bugs in his version, they have been fixed in All Stars

Not correct. The wall jumping trick exists in All Stars too. It's a very straightforward port of the NES code (they probably didn't want to break existing levels - "if it works, don't fix it"). Anyway, we already have a SMB movie and I don't think we need a clone of it. This being the same game as the NES version, levels and physics and all, the movie brings nothing new to the world.

Posted: 10/19/2004 4:30 PM

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Blechy

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Agreed. I haven't watched the movie, but I hope to see you make some other ones in the future.

Posted: 10/19/2004 9:55 PM

Post subject: Re: #373: Vegetable's SNES Super Mario All Stars (Super Mari

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Bisqwit wrote:

It's a very straightforward port of the NES code (they probably didn't want to break existing levels - "if it works, don't fix it").

I tried applying some of my SMB hacks to the SMAS version, and found some was the same and some was different. For example, the staircases (seen before flagpoles and in other locations) have changed greatly in the code. In the NES version, the staircase are an object with a size parameter to determine how big it is. The SMAS version instead builds it from several vertical or horizontal blocks.

Warning: Opinions expressed by Nach or others in this post do not necessarily reflect the views, opinions, or position of Nach himself on the matter(s) being discussed therein.

Posted: 10/19/2004 10:21 PM

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Personally, I prefer the SMAS version which contains better music and graphics.

Posted: 10/20/2004 3:45 AM

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xebra

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I don't believe the clipping detection in All-Stars is as deficient as in the original. I recall that it is quite easy to clear the plants in 4-1 in the original, but not possible (or at least very difficult on a console) in All-Stars.

Posted: 10/20/2004 4:10 AM

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Vegetable

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Actually it isn't possible to jump over the pirahna plants on the snes version, and if you look closely, you'll notice that in 8-4 they don't disappear when you get to the tunnel. The physics aren't the same either, you jump a lot higher and slower than in the original, and you can't jump through the sledgehammers.

Posted: 10/20/2004 7:02 AM

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Some notes... * 379 timeunits in in the exit of the first pipe room. NES could have 380 with some trying. Did you try? * The alternate pipe trick seemed to work in your movie in 8-4, so I believe it would work in 4-2 too. * You got many fireworks. Are you sure they don't waste time? * The first plant indeed doesn't disappear in 8-4. You're right here. * At 8-2, you slowed a bit too much at time=358. I know it's difficult, but it can be done a little faster... Or do you blame All Stars again? Edit: Anyway, to be clear, I repeat: I do not want to publish a clone of NES SMB movie. But if enough people disagree with me, I'll do it. In that case, I want to see some competition before deciding what to do with this one.

Posted: 10/20/2004 7:44 AM

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Vegetable

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All I wanted to do was create a movie that entertained people.

Posted: 10/20/2004 7:53 AM

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Well, you have to realize that we tend to be perfectionists here, so don't see what we're doing as "jumping down your neck" (yeah, I saw your original post), but as notice that there are errors in your movie that could have been corrected. You have the ability to go back and fix any shortcomings, there's no reason to not exercise that.

I like my "thank you"s in monetary form.

Posted: 10/20/2004 8:18 AM

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Vegetable wrote:

All I wanted to do was create a movie that entertained people.

All I want on this site is to keep the entertainment to noise ratio high. Repeating decreases the former and increases the latter, I'm afraid.

Posted: 10/20/2004 8:23 AM

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Yeah, I thought someone would see my original post. But the thing here is, you can tell me what's wrong with my video without acting like a superior to me.

Posted: 10/20/2004 5:44 PM

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Blechy

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We don't really consider what we're doing to be acting superior: many people who haven't made a single movie or have had their movies rejected react the same way we often do. We say what's wrong more than we say what's right because it's the former that really sticks out: if half of someone's movie is amazing and half is crap, we're going to focus on improving the bad parts. Additionally, english is not the primary language for many people here, and so while those people tend to have a firm grasp on the language, they may not be sure of the extreme subtleties of how some words might be received in comparison to others.

Posted: 10/20/2004 7:12 PM

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Blechy had some really good points there. Also, when submitting a movie you put yourself in a very fragile position (so too speak) and if every submission would get accepted, then the whole idea with submitting, voting and feedback wouldn’t bee necessary. Therefore, when submitting I recommend you assume that people will complain, even if the things they mention will be small. And I really didn't like that you accused us for acting superior. What all of us want is to help you and everyone that submit to see that things that can be improved, we don’t complain ‘cause we like it.

Bein' away for like five years, and not a single new post in the ZSNES forum... :'-(

Posted: 10/20/2004 9:07 PM

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But the thing here is, you can tell me what's wrong with my video without acting like a superior to me.

Effort doesn't equal good results, effort is corrleated with good results. That means the harder you work on a run the greater the chance that you will produce something entertaining, but it is never guaranteed that you will succeed in doing so. It's important then, to take what is told to you here as objective feedback, and not as a direct attack aimed toward your work. This criticism will pay off in your future runs, and you'll be even more pleased with the results. :)

Posted: 10/21/2004 6:17 AM

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Vegetable

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Alright, well, if this doesn't get submitted, I'll try harder to make it more interesting, and beat my previous time.

Bisqwit wrote:

* 379 timeunits in in the exit of the first pipe room. NES could have 380 with some trying. Did you try?

Try it yourself, it's impossible to get 380, the clipping detection is different, so you can't jump off the blocks to the pipe and go straight in, you either have to slow down, or hit the pipe, meanign that 379 is the fastest possible time.

Posted: 10/21/2004 6:41 AM

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