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Post subject: Solar Jetman
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I cannot possibly be the only one who'd like seeing someone beat this thing. I remember renting it when I was young and sucking wind at it. Specifically, I remember how messed up the gravity was from place to place. I also remember running into crap 99% of the time >< Anyone up to taking a crack at it?
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I too would be interested to see a run for this game. However, even using warpzones, it would be long. Planning would be needed to get enough resources to buy faster spaceships and engine improvement. There also some glitches exploitable I think.
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I would like to make a movie for this game, but a couple things hold me back. 1. It would be boring. Half of it would be watching me make high speed blind turns without much action, and the other half would be watching me pick up fuel cells and towing them to the closest warp. 2. It would be long. Long is okay when cool things are happening, but when its just empty flying with the same scenery for 30 min, it isn't fun. These videos are supposed to be fun, and unless I could get the movie down to a reasonable level, I don't think it'd be worth the time. There is rumored to be a warp from level 1 to level 7, but with out the equipment from level 2 (specificly the upgraded boosters) I'm not even sure this would help much.
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Never seen or found the warp at level 1. I don't care how boring you think this would be, I just want to see it :P And there isn't that much 'empty' area flying really. Try doing 2 first levels and ask for feedback atleast!!!!
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Are you kidding? A run of this game woud be awesome just because of how insane it is to get it perfect because of the crazy physics. I've made a movie going through the first level decently quickly, and it looks pretty cool. Oh, and there are warps from 3-7 and 8-13. I've never heard of 1-7.
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Don't forget, after a certain point, you can actually tow the warp thing with you. So I think it wouldn't be very boring. Dodging enemy projectiles while towing a black hole with some crazy gravity going on would be cool to watch. Also, the bonus levels would be done flawlessly, which would be fun, too.
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One of the coolest things in the timeattack would be to abuse the physics of the towing beam / rope. The rope is rigid and of solid length, and grabbing the carried item when you are too near it causes it to accelerate really fast. It can be used to accelerate your pod. I am mentally prepared to watch a movie that acts as obscurely as HnF :)
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I think the fastest route would be 1-2-3-7-8-13-12-final That's a whole lot of fuel canisters to pick up. I made a demo video, of me going 1-2-3-7-8-13. Only took an hour or so. Its sloppy, but I'll post it up tommorow to gauge interest in a 'real' video. Its not as boring as I thought it would be, its nice to watch, but doing a "perfect" version would be a nightmare. I may do a "stylish" version that's just really really fast instead. Not sure yet. Be sure to watch this when I post it up.
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"Don't forget, after a certain point, you can actually tow the warp thing with you." You need to buy the second ship to do that, so it really isn't an option for something like this. It is only sold at certain stores and I'd have to totally clear out some stages to get enough money for it. And it wouldn't make my time that much faster anyway, as most of the fuel canisters in the chosen levels are close to warp holes. "The rope is rigid and of solid length, and grabbing the carried item when you are too near it causes it to accelerate really fast." Well, it just moves the item to the end of the tractor beam. I'm having more fun using items to swing my pod around corners and lining the items up for droping in the worm holes.
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using items to swing my pod around corners
Oh, yes, oh yes... I'm already looking forward to it. :) I seem to remember there being "abandoned" ships in some levels, so you could get a new ship if your previous one was destroyed. Those ships are always the same type as your current one, right? Because if not, you could get an upgraded ship that way... but I guess not...
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Animadverto wrote:
"The rope is rigid and of solid length, and grabbing the carried item when you are too near it causes it to accelerate really fast." Well, it just moves the item to the end of the tractor beam.
Yes, but if you're moving fast while you grab the rope, you can get the item moving fast too without slow acceleration. And depending on which side of the item you are, you can get a fast acceleration/deacceleration to that/opposite direction. I don't remember exactly what was the effect, but something like that was what I observed when I tested it briefly a month or two ago.
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To do that, you'd also have to get shields, which I didn't. It would probably we worth the time saved, but a pro doesn't need them right? I dunno, after a couple movies have been done we'll probably find the ideal route and what items to buy, etc. Should I just submit this, knowing it will get rejected in its unfinished form so people can view it, or is there a place to upload "work in progress" movies?
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put it some site, then add [ url ] somesite.com/file [ / url ] And you can still hold down to do that trick even without he shield! As long as you hold down you can't pick up anything.
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Oh I misread him. I thought he was talking about bouncing with a shied to get momentum and then towing. I do that without a shield in a couple of places (hold in down). I hosted it, I'll post it in a min.
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Due to popular demand, here is my solar jetman video. http://liquidperspective.20m.com/solarjetmanTA.fmv This video is me going to planet 1, 2, 3, warping to 7, 7, 8, and finally warping to 13. I didn't finish 13 or move on to planet 12 (12 does come after 13) or do the final side scroller level. Planet 13 (then planet 12) are about the same as 7 except bigger, so I didn't do them. You'll get a general idea what the game/video is about by watching this. I just made this video to gauge interest in a real time attack. I did this run almost 100% in real time. This is also my very first video. So be gentle. This is far from a proper time attack, it only took me a little over an hour start to finish. Its very sloppy, there are missed shots, etc. Don't critique me on that, I don't care :) If I had the time and desire I could make it look much better. Maybe not better than some of the other awesome videos on this site, but respectible at least. Its about 12 min long, and has almost 400 rerecords. Didn't seem like that many, but when you get frustrated you may jam the undo button more times than you meant to. High points, low points, ideas for improvement: Picking up the first fuel cell sucks without boosters. It gets better, I promise. I make picking up the ship part look easy. It weighs about 10x more than your ship, and is pretty hard to do in game without retries, especially on this level when you don't have boosters. Maybe I shouldn't use the space suit after I get the first ship part? It makes the gem stage 100x easier, but probaly not in slo mo. Also, I really don't need money, but sitting there and letting time expire seems boring, even though it would save a little time counting up the crystals. I use the ship for it later, so I do something different on every bonus stage (its fixed time, your total time only changes depending on how many you get. I always get them all in this video). I buy 3 weapons because I'm not sure which I'm gonna use. Don't ask my why I didn't equip anything for planet 2 (when I needed it) but not for stage 3 (when I didn't). Room for improvement there. Picking up the booster is slow, its heavy as a ship part! Picking up the first fuel canister on P2 is nice. The second is also very not bad. I get the 3rd fuel cell swinging so I can easily get it into the warp. I take a hit because I can, I'm almost out of fuel, and you might think I was gonna die. I take a hit near the gravity balls so I don't get knocked back and can get in the warp quicker. If I had the upgraded bullets I might be able to do this faster. Now that I have the boosters, I try the cyberzone with the ship. I use the "propelled pinball" method this time, not really that fast, but fun to watch I think. Planet 3 goes by fast... Planet 7 is the majority of the video. I need to fight a few guardians who go down quick er with upgraded bullets, but not fast enough. I think I have a good route for this planet, and it wouldn't be much (if any) faster with the upgraded ships. The guardian battles suck, I know. Flying through the one tight caver, I wanted to get the gravity abll on screen so you could see w hy I was flying like a retarded monkey. I like the race with the missle straight down that one cavern. Getting the ship part is fairly straight forward. I do a little turn to swing it around instead of doing the boring fly right next to the warp zone. This bonus stage, I fly normal without hitting everything. I spin at the end because no action is boring. Planet 8 also goes by fast. What do you think?
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bisqwit@oktober:~/nes$ wget http://liquidperspective.20m.com/solarjetmanTA.fmv
--23:21:36--  http://liquidperspective.20m.com/solarjetmanTA.fmv
           => `solarjetmanTA.fmv'
Resolving liquidperspective.20m.com... 208.185.127.163
Connecting to liquidperspective.20m.com[208.185.127.163]:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden
23:21:37 ERROR 403: Forbidden.
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Or you could just say that it doesn't work and gives a 403 forbidden error...
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Bob Whoops wrote:
Or you could just say that it doesn't work and gives a 403 forbidden error...
That would require further explanations if it worked for some other people and the reason would end up being that the server specifically rejects wget.
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"I seem to remember there being "abandoned" ships in some levels, so you could get a new ship if your previous one was destroyed. Those ships are always the same type as your current one, right? Because if not, you could get an upgraded ship that way... but I guess not..." No free upgrades :) I don't use any abandoned ships, I only lose my ship once (on purpose). I do collect the energy/fuel tanks though when I'm empty. Doing a whole planet without returning to the ship makes that necessarry. Its usually pretty cool when I do it though, as I fly by, spin, take a shot, then continue on my way with full energy.
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Hmm, I downloaded it just fine. Try right clicking and "save as". File size is only 44k.
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Does anyone have some place I can host this?
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It worked when I used this commandline:
wget --referer=http://liquidperspective.20m.com/ http://liquidperspective.20m.com/solarjetmanTA.fmv
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Well if you would be so kind as to put it somewhere people can more easily get to it, I'd be greatly indebted to you!
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Yeah, I might as well do that. Here: https://files.tasvideos.org/bisqwit/solarjet-animadverto.zip It looks like a promising start.
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edit: nevermind, I was like two hours too late Do you really think Famtasia is better than FCEU? Just wondering, because in my opinion, Famtasia is extremely obsolete now. (it's not a big deal, I can watch it just fine and I don't really care what others use)
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