Yeah, im italian and i can confirm the social distancing last for another month at least, or until China has bought the most italian industries at very ridicolous low price, then the spread magically stopped.
What have you been doing to keep psychological health during the quarantine? Any struggles, thoughts or advice?
In my opinion, keeping yourself busy with hobbies is the most important thing.
Doing often video calls with friends also helps a lot.
For physical health I play Wii Fit.
Oh my, I never thought to do this. Thanks for the idea.
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I'm a fan of MrEnter and like listening to him, so I will leave this here:
Link to video
His argument that we can't evade the problem, only postpone it, is pretty sound.
> In my opinion, keeping yourself busy with hobbies is the most important thing.
And then would you fall ill if those hobbies were taken away from you?
> Doing often video calls with friends also helps a lot.
And then would you fall ill if those friends were taken away from you?
> What have you been doing to keep psychological health during the quarantine? Any struggles, thoughts or advice?
Learn about Stoicism. Listen to an audiobook from Epictetus, then from Seneca, then from Marcus Aurelius.
Things are starting to become interesting here, in number of cases.
I believe almost 10% of the population already got the virus and the inflection point is near, despite the ridiculous low 376,669 confirmed cases.
Don't ever let the State lock you down, specially if this procedure is not predicted in the law and the disease is not that bad as they said.
Wear masks when you are around people in public, avoid aglomerations, but don't stop going out, don't stop making exercise or walking under the Sun. Your body will need solar light. See your friends and family in small number if both of you are not in the risk group. Don't be a coward and protect the elderly. Good night.
Don't ever let the State lock you down, specially if this procedure is not predicted in the law and the disease is not that bad as they said.
...don't stop going out, don't stop making exercise or walking under the Sun. Your body will need solar light.
In pretty much every country in the world, the state has the power to enforce a lockdown as a means of controlling a fast-spreading disease. I don't know of any country whose laws prohibit this. The closest I could think of to a country like this would just be a country which is so weak that it can't enforce its own laws (ex. Somalia).
As far as whether or not the lockdown is justified for COVID-19 in particular, however, that depends predominantly on the location in question. More specifically, the rate of infections, the availability of ICU beds, and the number of contact tracers per 100,000 residents is the best way to determine whether or not a lockdown should occur.
With respect to Brazil, it would definitely be a good idea for the country to go into a more strict lockdown. Cases throughout the country are occurring at a rate which far exceeds the capacity of Brazil's healthcare system, and the number of cases is still growing exponentially. The virus is always 2 weeks ahead of how bad it looks due to the incubation period length, so the actual situation in Brazil is probably much worse than it seems on face value. This was the case with both America and Italy, which both saw the height of their outbreaks occur some weeks after the start of their full lockdowns.
Getting sunlight is definitely a good idea. However, anyone going outside should be sure to not go within 6 feet of other people, so as to avoid spreading the disease. Beyond that, people need to avoid social gatherings as much as possible for the time being. While this is certainly a difficult task, it's necessary in order to protect the greater good.
Also, on an unrelated note, even if a person is young and not part of an at-risk group, they still shouldn't ignore lockdown measures. While they may be able to handle getting infected, the average person who is infected with COVID-19 spreads the disease to 3 other people before they get better. As such, within a few weeks time, many elderly and at-risk people who had no contact with the original patient zero will have gotten sick or died by the time that the infection is traced back to its source.
Above all, listen to the advice of epidemiologists who are experts in the field. These people have spent their entire lives training for exactly this scenario, so they are better equipped to deal with this than anyone else is.
Also, on an unrelated note, even if a person is young and not part of an at-risk group, they still shouldn't ignore lockdown measures. While they may be able to handle getting infected, the average person who is infected with COVID-19 spreads the disease to 3 other people before they get better. As such, within a few weeks time, many elderly and at-risk people who had no contact with the original patient zero will have gotten sick or died by the time that the infection is traced back to its source.
Above all, listen to the advice of epidemiologists who are experts in the field. These people have spent their entire lives training for exactly this scenario, so they are better equipped to deal with this than anyone else is.
This, this, this.
Getting infected is more dangerous for others than it is for you personally, since some of the people who will (usually unknowingly) contract COVID from you may be at a higher degree of risk of permanent damage. Most importantly it makes doctors' lives worse. They die to the disease and tend to spread it around to vulnerable people if they aren't sufficiently protected themselves—which in many places is still exactly the case. This pandemic has already decimated the availability of medical staff around the world since they, by definition, are exposed to the contagious, and while they take time to recover, others have to work and expose themselves even more. And it's not a secret that constant physical and emotional stress and lack of sleep reduce the capability of the immune system further, meaning by the time they do contract the virus, their bodies are already likely to be in a weakened state.
Additionally, it's crucially important to understand two things.
1. There is still no confirmation of any kind that acquired immunity to the virus will stick. Furthermore, there is nothing to suggest this may be the case, either. It was not the case for SARS and the common cold coronaviruses, after all. The most likely scenario is that the immunity is short-term and will wane after a couple months, at which point you'd be at a risk (and putting others at risk) again. When the vaccine is developed, you will most likely need to re-vaccinate every year, similarly to the flu vaccine, and unlike the flu vaccine, governments will likely be treating this very, very seriously to avoid new waves of the epidemic.
2. The probability of long-term or permanent damage to lungs and/or kidneys is much higher than the probability of death (on the order of 10–20% as opposed to the 1–5% for death) and it does not depend in any way on the availability of medical equipment such as ventilators. Recovery statistics do not reflect this at all. So getting sick multiple times means bearing the risk of long-term damage that many times even if your symptoms are not severe. Would you go to a meeting during a pandemic if you knew you had a 1/10 chance of breaking your leg in the process? Because that's the kind of lottery you'd be playing.
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Edit: I think I understand now: It's my avatar, isn't it? It makes me look angry.
This pandemic stinks. I look forward to whenever it phases out, which sadly isn't any time soon. I hate the online price gouging of essential items including the hand soap I use regularly. It's very rare that I could come across hand soap in stores during the pandemic since people keep buying them up.
R.I.P. Gamestop (for now). It'd be impossible to follow the social distancing rule at the Gamestop near where I live, one that is located at a sidewalk. I can't imagine the sheer amounts of customers who would have to wait their turn at those stores.
I wear a yellow ninja mask that I bought for an entirely different purpose, either to shield my mouth & nose or whenever I go out.
Russian's claiming to have developed a vaccine, which is odd due to the endless resources the UK and US have been pouring into it. By the sounds of it they haven't gone through the proper procedures you would need to go through to ascertain it's effectiveness.
Most countries are, at the worst case, converging towards around 700 deaths per million, or one death per 1428 people. Some of the worst cities had 1 death / 400 people. Belgium has been over counting the number of deaths and San Marino is such a small sample. It means that most people that would die from the virus already have in many places. The vaccine will become largely irrelevant in America, South America and a few Europe countries, with only a few people taking it due to fear.
I'm not so certain that the vaccine is irrelevant.
Remember that the Spanish Flu pandemic lasted for a whopping 3 years before dying out, with several waves of it sweeping over the world. While this pandemic is not nearly as bad in terms of deaths, it's not out of the realm of possibility that it may likewise last for several years.
Most people don't get infected during a wave, and thus they are fertile ground for the virus during the next wave. There's only so much that preventive measures do.
A vaccine, if it gives immunity for several years, is the most effective way of actually stopping the pandemic a lot quicker and in a much safer way.
An interesting fact is that Bolsonaro's popularity has actually risen quite a lot, even when he constantly denies the pandemic. But if you actually go about your daily life, it's not very hard to understand that.
The number of deaths, at least those evaluated here, includes anyone who test positive for COVID. I am fairly certain of that, because I know someone who died from a stroke, but because he had tested positive, he was counted as a COVID death, and there were sever restrictions on the mourning procedures. I am now working from home in my parents' house, there's a retirement home nearby where COVID has killed five elderly people, and I also had close contact with two people who tested positive. To be honest, I'm not into doing a test myself because of whatever crap the government orders me to do if they find antibodies.
This situation is very weird. One of the reasons that there are few vaccine denialists in my country is because serious diseases like polio, measles, etc, were only eradicated at the end of the 90's, because of the extensive vaccination campaigns. I still remember people forming long lines in health clinics to get their children vaccinated.
About this pandemic? I can say the hospitals are not nearly as chaotic as they were during some Dengue outbreaks we had in the past. I still cannot understand how this disease can need strict lockdown actions, while at the same time be very difficult to detect in your daily routine (except, of course, through the media, which has been airing COVID numbers nonstop for the last five months).
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For those curious, I was never afraid of this virus since day 1. I'm 25 years old working at a grocery store. The deaths in my state are pretty low and the cases are high because so many people are getting tested even when not showing any symptoms. I never got tested because if I test positive, I would have to be quarantined for 2 weeks. This pandemic is also comparable to the 1918 Spanish flu.
I never got tested because if I test positive, I would have to be quarantined for 2 weeks. This pandemic is also comparable to the 1918 Spanish flu.
....just because you dont get tested doesnt mean you wont get the virus.
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Russian's claiming to have developed a vaccine, which is odd due to the endless resources the UK and US have been pouring into it. By the sounds of it they haven't gone through the proper procedures you would need to go through to ascertain it's effectiveness.
So, there are tons of vaccines in development, in various phases of trials. Generally, they start with phase 1, which is maybe 10s of human trials, and then phase 2 is 100s, and phase 3 is 1000s, before they get to general approval. There are a handful of vaccines in phase 3 at the moment, but this was the first one to get "past" phase 3. I did some research on this (so termed Sputnik V for some reason), and for some reason the phase 1 and phase 2 trial data has not been released, and...it didn't get to phase 3. It just got rammed through to general approval. It's propaganda at best, and hideously dangerous at worst. Don't trust it.
InfamousKnight wrote:
I never got tested because if I test positive, I would have to be quarantined for 2 weeks.
This is ridiculously selfish. The point of quarantine is to prevent you from spreading it to others. Do you only care about your own health??
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InfamousKnight wrote:
For those curious, I was never afraid of this virus since day 1. I'm 25 years old working at a grocery store. The deaths in my state are pretty low and the cases are high because so many people are getting tested even when not showing any symptoms. I never got tested because if I test positive, I would have to be quarantined for 2 weeks. This pandemic is also comparable to the 1918 Spanish flu.
I'm not sure why you thought people here would be curious about your lack of regard for health and well-being of yourself as well as of friends, family, people you work with, and everybody else you may get in contact with - who may contract a deadly virus that can hospitalize or kill them, but...thanks for letting us know, I guess?
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For those curious, I was never afraid of this virus since day 1. I'm 25 years old working at a grocery store. The deaths in my state are pretty low and the cases are high because so many people are getting tested even when not showing any symptoms. I never got tested because if I test positive, I would have to be quarantined for 2 weeks. This pandemic is also comparable to the 1918 Spanish flu.
Well just act like you might be asymptomatic to be safe since even if you don't have any obvious symptoms you can still spread it.
