Post subject: Mega Man 4
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This is a great video. I've been playing these old Mega Man games lately and I had a hell of time playing through parts 3 and 4. Not so much the stages, but the boss battles seemed much harder than the first two installments. But in this clip Kopernical dominates! Some of my favorite things: -Unconventional order of play, so he doesn't necessarily fight with the supposed "best" weapon. -Sparse shooting. This allows me to enjoy the music, and Mega Man games always have good music. -Uses the "special" weapons frequently and to his advantage. When I play, I'm a big pussy; I always save the big guns for the bosses. Kopernical, like Morimoto, uses them often. Very exciting use of the Ring Boomerang on Dust Man's stage and the Flash Stopper in many, many places. Also, he always has just enough weapon energy to get things done even though he NEVER collects ANY refills. -The Bright Man stage/boss battle was fantastic. I used to think B-Man was tough. Kopernical makes him look easy. -Great use of the Rush Jet in many places. Bright Man, Pharaoh Man, Cossack Stage 1 and 2 especially. -Ring Man got PWNED. ^_^ Great job man. I wish my video was this cool.
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I'd agree, it was a great video, creative and well played. I'm sure he could shave off a couple of seconds since the sliding wasn't perfect in all places (but then again, who cares?). I liked the use of the rush jet as well: just enough energy to make it through the game! Now who wants to do MM5? :P
Post subject: Re: Mega Man 4
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feitclub wrote:
This is a great video. I've been playing these old Mega Man games lately and I had a hell of time playing through parts 3 and 4. Not so much the stages, but the boss battles seemed much harder than the first two installments. But in this clip Kopernical dominates! Some of my favorite things: -Unconventional order of play, so he doesn't necessarily fight with the supposed "best" weapon.
Yep. The first thing that I did was to play each level and determine which weapons would help me get through the levels the fastest. After doing that I toyed with the order until it worked.
feitclub wrote:
-Sparse shooting. This allows me to enjoy the music, and Mega Man games always have good music.
Yes, I worked very hard to make the shooting accurate. Even the couple times I used turbo I didn't waste shots.
feitclub wrote:
-Uses the "special" weapons frequently and to his advantage. When I play, I'm a big pussy; I always save the big guns for the bosses. Kopernical, like Morimoto, uses them often. Very exciting use of the Ring Boomerang on Dust Man's stage and the Flash Stopper in many, many places. Also, he always has just enough weapon energy to get things done even though he NEVER collects ANY refills.
Well, I did plan it all out so I knew that I would have exactly enough Ring, Dust and Drill. I did have to collect one Ring refill, though; there was really no way around it (too many of the Cossack/Wily bosses are weak against Ring). But I did kill some extra enemies in order to run myself completely out of it by the end of the game.
feitclub wrote:
-The Bright Man stage/boss battle was fantastic. I used to think B-Man was tough. Kopernical makes him look easy.
It's much easier when you slow it down :)
feitclub wrote:
-Great use of the Rush Jet in many places. Bright Man, Pharaoh Man, Cossack Stage 1 and 2 especially.
Quite a bit of inspiration from Morimoto's movies here.
feitclub wrote:
-Ring Man got PWNED. ^_^
Yup :)
feitclub wrote:
Great job man. I wish my video was this cool.
Thank for the great comments. As I was making it I was wondering if I was just wasting my time but I'm glad to hear that people are enjoying it.
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Deviance wrote:
I'd agree, it was a great video, creative and well played. I'm sure he could shave off a couple of seconds since the sliding wasn't perfect in all places (but then again, who cares?). I liked the use of the rush jet as well: just enough energy to make it through the game! Now who wants to do MM5? :P
When I started making it I wasn't planning on submitting it so I didn't really want to waste time perfecting the sliding if I would just have to redo it. But after watching it I decided that it was already pretty good, though sometime I hope to do a second version to clean it up a bit. Right now I'm looking at MM5 :) I don't know it as well as MM4 but my first impression is that is a bit more difficult (the stages, at least) and I think it will take a lot of creative usage of the weapons to get through.
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Thanks for the movie, I really enjoyed it.
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Hey guys, I've been visiting this site for a month or something lately. Just wanted to let you know that this movie will pwn ME ;) lol, I always played MM4 only about halfway through when I was little because I found the wily levels so hard/boring. Thus, this will be very interesting :)
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Deviance wrote:
Now who wants to do MM5? :P
and what about a MM3 one ?
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I've done about one quarter of MM3 so far, but i've stopped because perfect sliding is very annoying to do (also, the movie keeps getting broken for some reason). Bisqwit and dustin have done MM3 (but one got out of sync and the other uses controller 2 debugging). I think Sleepz is doing a MM3 run as well.
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I saw a MM3 movie not long ago, played by Ihira, it was really impressive, almost perfect i would say, i don't remember the site where i downloaded it, but i think he is registrered here, so it's easy to contact him.
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>I think Sleepz is doing a MM3 run as well. Yea, Im just finishing up Wily's castle. This run has been pretty frustrating with the sliding and not over-jumping so I can spend more time on the ground sliding. I also keep finding faster ways to do things so I usually have to restart the level. It will be finished either tonight or tommorow. >I saw a MM3 movie not long ago, played by Ihira, it was really impressive, almost perfect i would say You wouldnt happen to remember the time on that video, would you? Im pretty sure that mine will be the fastest, but Id like to know so I dont get burned at the end.
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You're right, i don't remember, it wasn't that long, but i have so many things going on in my head that i forgot where the site is, oh wait a minute...i think it is here: http://www.geocities.com/timupo8d Personally, i think it is very good, you should see it so that you can correct the errors he made.
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currently down until version2 is finished march 11th/2004...slowly in progress of making version2
looks like he's making another version of it, the link to the old one is down.
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Lezard wrote:
You're right, i don't remember, it wasn't that long, but i have so many things going on in my head that i forgot where the site is, oh wait a minute...i think it is here: http://www.geocities.com/timupo8d
Sadly, the link to the movie is dead. But he claims to be working on "version 2." I'm looking forward to seeing someone kick more Mega Man ass!
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Sleepz wrote:
You wouldnt happen to remember the time on that video, would you? Im pretty sure that mine will be the fastest, but Id like to know so I dont get burned at the end.
Regardless, he's working on VirtuaNES, so your Famtasia version would be unique on this site.
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I'm bumping this to discuss Kopernical's new version of MM4. I was surprised by the new route. The Flash Stopper and Rush Jet were two of the biggest time-savers in the first run, but this time around they're the last two weapons acquired. I was more surprised by the Balloon Adapter. Somehow I missed that item entirely when I last played the game. I was a little disappointed that Bright Man landed so many hits. Wasn't as cool as the last version where he got punished. But the numbers don't lie: This run is much faster, and I commend Kopernical for advancement. And yes, if you didn't say anything I would have assumed you used Autofire.
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feitclub wrote:
I was surprised by the new route. The Flash Stopper and Rush Jet were two of the biggest time-savers in the first run, but this time around they're the last two weapons acquired.
The new order is far, far better than the first one. I saved nearly 10 seconds just by fighting Skull Man with his weakness rather than the Mega Buster. Rush Jet actually didn't save time the first time around. Pharaoh Man's stage is faster without the Jet and I'm beginning to wonder if maybe Bright Man's stage would be faster, too. And, yes, there were a couple places where Flash Stopper could have helped save a little bit of time but the new order put Bright Man last. And the order itself saves far more time than a few uses of the Flash Stopper.
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I was a little disappointed that Bright Man landed so many hits. Wasn't as cool as the last version where he got punished.
I had assumed that Rain Flush would be faster to use than the Mega Buster but I was wrong. They are about the same amount of time. Either way, I always thought the first fights against Bright Man just looked sloppy. And I wanted to use all the weapons and that was the only place for Rain Flush.
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Do I dare give som advice, ideas and suggestions about this game?
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Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!
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I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.
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I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it
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Mayor Haggar and Cody are such nice people for the community. Metro City's hospitals reached an all time new record of incoming patients due to their great efforts :P
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Angerfist.. You have great ideas.. why dont you just do the TAS's yourself. I think you could do it if you put your mind to it.
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The pressure, the risk of failure, doing this big task alone scares me... Edit: If nobody minds, I will give my suggestions about this run later tonight.
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Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!
Arc wrote:
I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.
natt wrote:
I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it
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Mayor Haggar and Cody are such nice people for the community. Metro City's hospitals reached an all time new record of incoming patients due to their great efforts :P
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What pressure? What risk of failure? Im usre you would do a good job if you have to many siggestions to make it better.
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AngerFist wrote:
Do I dare give som advice, ideas and suggestions about this game?
I want to hear them. I'm completely out of ideas on how to improve this one and a different eye would be helpful.
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Thats the spirit kopernical ^-^ Love to hear that from ya but it should be clearly noted that this is run better and a bit harder to find suggestions/improvements as you said hehe. I'll be back at about 2-3 hours from now giving my ideas.
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Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!
Arc wrote:
I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.
natt wrote:
I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it
Cooljay wrote:
Mayor Haggar and Cody are such nice people for the community. Metro City's hospitals reached an all time new record of incoming patients due to their great efforts :P
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Here it is. My long list of suggestions for this run. Hope it will be useful some day, enjoy! The thing with Megaman 4 is that it may have a undiscovered glitch with the Balloon. I wonder if several people would work togheter and investigate whether or not you can go through walls and similar useful things with it as Bisqwit, Finalfighter and Morimoto did in their run. Im most certain at 98% it should work. Overall, I think whoever decides to give this run a try should always try using Balloon no matter if the trick that is been used in Rockman1 & 2 works or not on Megaman 4, because you can skip many enemies, getting higher on ladders and so forth. I also suggest doing Drill Man level first due to you'll get Rush Jet Adaptor here if you are going to use Rush Jet Adaptor in many places, which may not be necessary due to the efficiency of the Balloon. Kopernical, you are absolutely right, my smile were inappropriate, try disregard that goofy thing from me, sorry bro :) >Pharaoh Man Level< At: 00:26 - You did a wonderful thing, namely that you could actually slide under those scorpions :) so, my only concern here is that can you repeat this thing several times during this part in Pharaoh Man level (I was especially thinking of doing this at 00:25, 00:29, 00:32 and 00:34? If so, you maybe could save som time. I'll bet if it really does work you have to hit the button really fast to pull it off :) 01:05 - I was thinking if its even useful to stand a bit further on those flying robots in order to reach to the next on faster? I think it may be useful to do that, what do you think? And thats basically all suggestions I could find on this level, nice boss battle. >Ring Man Level< At: 02:49 - I got the feeling that you might have grabbed the ladder some frames to soon right? 03:38 - I'll bet that you've already tried to see if works to simply walk through that big robot. And a suggestion here would be that you here choosed Pharaoh armor to get quicker through him. I know you end with just one shot left of Pharaoh but there might be a solution to that below here :) 03:17 - Notice how you charge your Pharaoh armor, thus your armors health decreases, which might not be necessary due the forthcoming lag at this stage and seeing no need to hit those enemies. If this is possible, then you'd saved some Pharaoh armor shot. 03:28 - If you paus here, can you see the thing Im seeing, namely that you might are 1-2 frames off to the left? You should be able to be 1-2 frames at right here. 03:51 - Is it necessary to hit these enemies? Are you hitting them to avoid lag? Excellent boss fight btw. >Dust Man Level< At: 05:13 - Same thing here, you seem a bit away to the closest wall when you are going down, can you be nearer and save som frames? 05:25 - Don't charge, because my theory is that you would only create more lag, either shoot a fast Pharaoh shot or simply avoid hitting him. 05:44 - Excellent done all the way through those rocks! >Skull Man Level< 07:13 - Here I would like people to investigate whether its possible to use Balloon to already here pass through this wall or not. 07:16 - Or try using Balloon here to go up outside the screen and move at the speed of light forward a long way forward :) Worth trying I believe :) 07:50 - Release yourself from the ladder, jump at the near edge, and continue climbing. Agreed? >Dive Man Level< At: 09:37 - I think you should be able to slide on your Balloon right? If so, then by doing a quick slide and a jump could reslut in avoiding getting hit here. 10:14 - Same possible suggestion as similar suggested note above, and as always, excellent boss battle! >Drill Man Level< At: 11:26 - I just realized that you can actually skip your regular armor and use your Balloon here.. You must agree with me that you can use Balloon 2/3 of this stage and by using Ballon, I just know you might save seconds doing it. And I don't think you have to worry about these enemies at 11:53 if you have the Balloon beacause they are either to slow to get near you or they move upwards. 12:01 - Balloon might be efficient here and perhaps on the second floor. 12:04 - From here (1/3 left of the stage) you can now switch to any weapon you desire and try avoid hitting unnecessary enemies (besides from the obvious falling rocks), 'cause those flying head's aren't any threat to you or the lag I believe. 12:49 - Great boss battle besides from only 2 questions, 1: why did you took a hit at 12:49? 2: At: 12:53, do you agree with me that due to you are facing away from him, you are losing some frames until your shot reaches him? If you'd simply facing him, I believe that your shot would actually hit him faster. >Toad Man Level< At: NOTHING :) Well well, nothing improvable here ^_^ I felt everything was done very efficiently. Maybe your boss battle you could stand some frames closer to him so you when you shoot you even dont have to raise your arm to fire due to how close you stand next to him. >Bright Man Level< At: 16:10 - I would you to at this stage begin to press upwards so you can reduce some frames and to be able to jump higher on the ladder. 16:44 - Got the impression that you might have been some frames after to push upwards. 16:59 - Would sliding be faster to reach to the next floor thingy and to the next etc? I think it might be the case. 19:06 - Im most certain that using Balloon here, instead of using Rush Jet would be faster as you can pretty much easily use it further, right? Notice also the delay on 19:15 where you have to wait about a second for Rush Jet to reappear. using Balloon from previous stage and here to boss battle would surely save some time or even seconds. 20:22 - Here I have a big and sweet idea to you :) Lets say you'll use Balloon instead of Rush Jet already here. Couple of frames would probably be saved here and further. 20:28 - Useful using Balloon here and I know that enemy above might hit but cant you with the tightest and accuracy use Balloon on the left side aswell to avoid getting hit from him? 20:36 - Here comes my big idea.. How about using Balloon at this stage and while sliding on your own Balloons (if its possible sliding on your own Balloons, if not my idea still should work) you can reach to the nearest armor refill (and as you already know, each time you use Balloon only 1 armor health is used), take it and continue with your high speed making Balloons, most probably you don't need to take the second armor refill if you'd used Balloon and Im quite positive you would have made it to the ladder with Balloons. If this idea would work, I believe you would save big time here using my suggestion! Further on this level, you can see for yourself that you use Balloon very well indeed. 21:45 - Boss Battle. I know it pains you that you couldn't hit the boss with the final shot to end him :) but maybe, just maybe you can actually do it if its possible here to NOT jump that high and possibly doing a extremely quick jump afterwards to hit him again. Sounds pretty far-fetched, I know. 23:18 - Balloon kopernical ^_^ You'd with Balloon gain a very high height and grabbing the ladder on near topp of the screen. While you'd picked Balloon, you could have used it at: 23:23 right? Here you can reach the topp of the ladder with Balloons. 23:42 - That refill was surely not necessary was it? As it slows you and your overall time down. 24:45 - Here I felt you hesistated, why? 25:22 - Wonder if you'd jump here you would go down faster? 25:31 - Feel that you are 1-2 frames away from the right side of the wall/air. 27:27 - Now I wonder it would be efficient using Balloon at this stage until 27:51? As i think it would be hard using Balloon during the water stage. 28:12 - Balloon would be better as you would get much better height to reach the topp left nearest ladder. 28:17 - Same thing here. 28:20 - Didn't you grab the ladder a bit to soon? 28:52 - Why didn't you shoot again? He did not blink at this stage. 30:26 - Can you jump from here? Since when I paused at this stage, I could se that you were for a split second moving (i.e walking) forward which should enable you to jump on the ladder. 30:56 - Excellent boss battle. 31:56 - Faster if you jumped to get down faster? When you face the stage bosses again you fought every single one of them beautifully. The main rule fighting these stage bosses at this point is always to deceive them to get closer to you at your right side so you can quickly as possible transport back to the main room after you've defeated them. 35:52 - Here I had an great idea. What if its possible to use Balloon either on the near surface to accelerate inside the wall OR use Balloon to reach upwards in order to accelerate forward?
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Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!
Arc wrote:
I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.
natt wrote:
I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it
Cooljay wrote:
Mayor Haggar and Cody are such nice people for the community. Metro City's hospitals reached an all time new record of incoming patients due to their great efforts :P
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I was just thinking about this run before you bumped it... Is it possible to keep BrightMan from ever using his Flash Stopper on you? I know I can in the Game Boy game, where he basically pulls one of his three attacks out of a hat just before he does it, but maybe they changed his AI. Okay, now someone bump RockMan 6 and RockMan 2, FAST! :)
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haha.. if i got time, i would do MM3 or MM4... I personally like MM3 :). Though i would have to print off all the suggestions Angerfist made, and try both routes, as in Topman first, and Geminiman first to see which actually would be quicker. If anyone wants to see this done quick(i know i do) i can spend time at it. Should also post this in MM3 i think.. :P