Posted: 11/19/2020 10:06 PM
(Edited: 11/20/2020 9:52 PM)
Post subject: Bandai Golf - Challenge Pebble Beach
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Pokota
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  • Serious Attempt notes
    • Wind updates once per blink and is biased per course
    • shot direction is granular 15° (so not particularly granular)
    • Will need RNG manipulation to fine-tune shots - don't spend too much time on manip unless can get HIO/Albatross out of it
    • Slice range varies by club - further fine-tune shots by slicing?
  • April Fools' "Maximum" Score notes
    • Score per hole capped at 2x Par (so Par 4 takes 12 strokes for +8)
    • Will still need to complete each hole, as there is no automatic "give up" at stroke cap. (I vaguely remember this being A Thing from when baby me would play with aunts/uncles)
    • O.B. penalty +2 strokes
  • To Do
    • Addresses for swing power, current angle, wind speed, wind direction, slope
    • RNG stuff
    • Simple TAS (always max swing power unless chip-in, always perfect hit)
    • Measure how many frames per blink
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Posted: 11/20/2020 8:24 PM
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I'd argue that for a golf game, a "Maximum" Score run would actually be the minimum attainable score. In my opinion, the concept of "Maximum" score from a vault standpoint is essentially the idea of the best possible score performance, not necessarily the highest numerical score value. In most games, that means the highest numerically achievable score. In others games though (some racing games for example) it may mean the lowest achievable time (which may be the best score performance for that game). Given that the best score performance in the rules of golf is actually obtaining a low score, it only makes sense to aim for the minimum numerical score value. Besides, going for a high numerical value score in golf is actually intending to play poorly, which is somewhat contrary to the superplay idea of TASing in the first place. Given, as you've already noted, that the upper limit of score is capped at 2x Par; the maximum numerical value score can be clearly defined. But given the capped value, it also becomes trivial to achieve. While it could be argued that whoever can get to that score the fastest still offers a competitive challenge, it still requires intentionally poor play. To achieve the max numerical score; one would only have to hit the ball out of bounds or into water hazards repetitively as needed to rapidly increase the stroke count, then make sure the ball is holed on the stroke that will yield the capped score value. On a side note, while it can be anticipated that a minimum score performance in a golf game would also yield the fastest overall time, it is theoretically possible that a slightly higher than minimal score may be performed faster. For this reason, I believe that both a fastest completion run and a "Best Score Performance" run could be published side by side in the vault if they aren't the same run.
Posted: 11/20/2020 9:37 PM
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There's a reason that section is labelled 4/1 (but I've updated the section label anyway so that it's less ambiguous) "Worst Possible Score" being absolute fastest is only possible for golf games with both a Give Up condition (which CPB does not have) and a hard O.B. bounding box (which CPB does have) - you'd spend too much time waiting for strokes to die without the latter, and you still have to hole out without the former. As for Speed/Score tradeoffs, it would depend on how unruly the RNG is. I strongly suspect that Fastest Time would be synonymous with Best Score just due to how long each separate stroke can take. Definitely need to get the time measurements on that one though.
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Posted: 11/20/2020 10:57 PM
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Yea...I'm not sure how I missed the "4/1." I guess my eyes were just drawn to "Maximum" and I was confused why you were promoting a high golf score. Sorry for the confusion. FWIW, my thoughts still stand otherwise.