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I've been thinking about the way, every year, a flurry of joke/gag/silly submissions comes in on April 1st, only to languish and be largely rejected days or weeks later. A few might get published, but long after the brief thrill of the day is over. Wouldn't it make far more sense to get those in a few weeks early, possibly with a tag or at least textual annotation to identify them as AFD-themed, and then publish a few *on* the 1st? Far more people would see the published Movies on the site, and even more yet on the YouTube channel, and be able to appreciate the foolish intent, and those who watched the submissions and forums would get the idea despite seeing them early. I recall the original(?) AFD submission, 314M/612S, for the SMB walkathon, which was submitted and published all within one day, 4/1/05. A great gag, but it wouldn't be long before judging and processing delays would make that hard to duplicate. Indeed, the improvement to that walkathon, 1088M/1899S, was submitted on 4/1/08 but not published until 4/4. Another years after that (I closed it by accident and can't re-find now) took 8. https://tasvideos.org/HomePages/Noxxa/AprilFoolsHistory is really helpful, showing not only that a manageable number of AFD submissions were published each year (through about 2017, anyway), but also (with some clicking around) how the delays have stacked up. It doesn't include a few I spotted that were actually published on 4/1 but submitted well in advance, for which the timing might be purposeful or entirely coincidental. For example, is 3358M/5384S, a Pokemon ACE improvement submitted 2/5/17 but published 4/1, meant to be one? (Its predecessor, 2341M/3894S, was actually tied to Pi Day and submitted then, but only published a week later, highlighting a similar problem.) 5202M/8134S, a silly homebrew game, is even more recent: submitted 3/22/23, published 4/1. By design? Or lucky chance that it fits? They don't need to have flashing lights saying APRIL FOOL, but careful publication timing and pretty good hints in the text would be a real help, as would consistent dedication to publishing the best (and nothing but) gag runs on 4/1; edge cases of weirdness might actually catch a few people off guard ("Why did they publish THIS ru--oh..."). And if over a dozen each year are good enough to be accepted these days, maybe the best could be scheduled for the 1st, and the runners-up to trickle in later like any normal submission. Is this possible? Can people be persuaded to coordinate and turn in their work early? Apologies if I missed an obvious earlier discussion. I just want to see more good times like 2005!
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I don’t think it makes sense to do April Fool submissions a day early, when the whole point is to do joke stuff on the day of April Fools. Plus it’s not like the movies that do get accepted on April 1st wouldn’t be accepted had it been submitted on any other day.
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I’ve always been under the impression that April Fools submissions are meant to be taken as jokes on the day of 4/1. . With the old site, it was arguably harder to get an April Fools submission published due to rules of acceptance at the time. Now that rules have loosened on what’s acceptable, more April Fools publications are indeed publishable. But the general joke side of April Fools submissions is about the submission on the day of, not about getting a joke run published on the day of. Regarding publishing non-joke runs on April Fools Day: the content should make it obvious that things published on that day aren’t commonly joke publications. Is it worth it to skip publishing for a day (or two, due to time zones) to prevent non-joke publications from being taken incorrectly? Some may feel so, but I don’t think it’s necessary to delay publication of other runs. TL:DR It’s the submission that’s meant to be the crux of the joke, not the publication.
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To be clear, I don't mean a day early... I mean a week or two early, to allow for judging, encoding, etc. But more importantly: what is the goal of an AFD run? I am pretty much outside the inner workings of the site, and I'm sure we see things a little differently. I'm sure everyone who is involved here does it for the TAS community as well as for the public, perhaps in varying amounts. My suggestion is made from the perspective of the public. I check in on new publications regularly and watch enough that YouTube knows to show me new videos on its own; I rarely look too closely at new submissions, even less at discussion threads. (Actually, I used to follow submissions of interest with more regularity, but when the site revamp a few years ago bypassed the browser's ability to color visited links purple, I gave up. I might bring that up separately some time.) So I do see the new AFD submissions on 4/1, but usually with a mix of pity and apathy, knowing most won't make the cut but not caring enough to mentally keep track of those that did when I see them published over a week later. A really great one (SMW*11 from 2021 which sadly got disqualified, for example) I will watch the temp encode of, but otherwise... The atmosphere inside sounds like lots of fun, but also changes the focus and scope. What fun, I just submitted/saw a great gag run today on April 1st! Good joke! But whom is the joke for? Other dedicated TASers, to get the joke, and presumably, the judges and moderators as "targets". Ha ha, fooled you! Now wade through all this stuff, and step on it, while we giggle back here. Why did that guy submit an obvious joke run on the 20th? Oh hey, my run got published on the 12th, well, at least I had fun. That all makes plenty of sense, as long as you only consider the TAS community. Everyone else who just appreciates the runs, and would appreciate a good joke too, misses out. I feel as if working together to curate and present material for the internet at large would be just as fulfilling, and everyone wins. (As for delaying publications to the 2nd or 3rd to help keep the focus on AFD ones: that's a secondary concern, probably not horribly confusing if a serious run happens to be put out that day. But considering it usually takes weeks to get from submission to judging/voting, acceptance, encoding, pausing because someone found a quick extra optimization, and finally publication, I wonder who is sitting there on March 31 after a mid-March submission saying "I can't wait another day, this better damn well come out tomorrow or I'm going to explode!" and conversely who harbors conspiracy theories on existing April 2 publications... "oh, they probably held me back, just because of the calendar, or it'd have been yesterday!") That's my two cents. I think the joke of the publication is at least as good as the joke of the submission, and others may not agree, but the question then is where the amusement does lie and what the best way to present the joke is.
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DrD2k9 wrote:
With the old site, it was arguably harder to get an April Fools submission published due to rules of acceptance at the time.
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htwh wrote:
I mean a week or two early, to allow for judging, encoding, etc.
Nah, usually that kind of thing is reserved for the best trolling a Publisher can ever do to anyone: [3358] GBC Pokémon: Yellow Version "arbitrary code execution" by MrWint in 05:48.28 If there's nothing major that we can use as "ammo" then we just treat the day normally as a Publisher.
htwh wrote:
But more importantly: what is the goal of an AFD run?
To screw around, to let loose, you don't have to put any effort into it, who cares what you're submitting... unless it's controversial. But other than that you take a game, you do what you want with it, you can either have something legitimate about it, or you do a goal like "game crash" and submit both, or one, or a blue screen and just mellow out about it.
htwh wrote:
But whom is the joke for?
Mainly the active community that are apart of the forums, if YouTube doesn't see it then to us it's a "who cares". If they do then well I referred to it at the start of my post, it might actually get published, even if you didn't have that intention.
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I concur with EZGames69 and DrD2k9. To me, April Fools is seen here as a time to submit all the wacky and bizarre ideas people have come up with since the previous year, even if only to make a joke. It's the act of submitting the TAS for people to enjoy, among all the other silly submissions, that I think people enjoy the most. If it happens to get published, great, if not, no big deal.
htwh wrote:
[...] publishing the best (and nothing but) gag runs on 4/1
Rules regarding what does or doesn't get published are the same regardless what day it is. Just because it's April Fools Day doesn't mean we should only publish "the best gag runs". Just because a movie is funny, doesn't mean it should be published. Generally speaking, most April Fools Day submissions do not end up being published, and that's completely expected by TASers.
htwh wrote:
Everyone else who just appreciates the runs, and would appreciate a good joke too, misses out.
I don't believe that's true. People can and do still enjoy the jokes even if they are not regulars in the community. Anyone is free to lurk in the Discord server, or to check in on new submissions on the site (especially on a specific day of the year). If you choose to only focus on the YouTube channel, then of course you're only going to see the content that gets published there. The whole point of these submissions is to try whatever strange, abnormal, or random ideas you can come up with. The goal is not publication.
Most importantly though, I fear this idea would put far too much pressure on judges and publishers leading up to April 1st. It's just not practical to try coordinating everything in advance. Especially considering that sometimes these TASes are created within days of April 1st. The judging process can take awhile, depending on many factors, including how much time the judge has to allocate to the site and the complexity of the TAS. Even if a TAS is explicitly made as a joke, it still deserves just as much consideration as any other TAS.
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OK, I guess I have a better sense of the feeling here. I do think maybe there's a missed opportunity here, but I can see how it might be logistically difficult (not impossible though) and overly focused on one goal.
htwh wrote:
But whom is the joke for?
Spikestuff wrote:
Mainly the active community that are apart of the forums, if YouTube doesn't see it then to us it's a "who cares". If they do then well I referred to it at the start of my post, it might actually get published, even if you didn't have that intention.
Clearly it's not a rare thing to publish one if there are several every year, and the sense of anticipation within those who are a part of the community could easily be some of the fun, serving things up for those apart from the forums.* As stated, a primary goal is entertainment, and entertaining just one another while ignoring a way to better entertain the audience seems a tad alienating. (I'm sure you mean "who cares" as in "whatever happens to my run happens, no big deal", by the way, but it can lead to "who cares about everyone else, we're entertaining ourselves".) For those without the awareness, knowledge, inclination, or time to go down the rabbit hole of forums and discord and all that, even a glimpse of the AFD fun in a tidy package on the day would be a great way of reaching more people. Maybe one run a year is coordinated in private with judges etc. and submitted/published all at once. I'm definitely not saying the current routine is awful. These are all just ideas, possible enhancements I hope might be considered over time. I've resisted stuff in similar situations out of habit, inertia, and so on, and it's peculiar but nice to find a new spin that works well. By the way, belated congrats to all on 20 years! *Editing later to semi-fix the nested quoting, and to make a point more clear than the original subtle nudge for anyone who comes back to read this. APART is not the same as A PART, and in fact it's basically the opposite. (Of course, apart is usually used with from, not of.) The new subject of pearl clutching over wounded feelings is unprompted language help, and a lot of small things may slide by, but when the words one writes mean the opposite of the intended meaning, outside of (even "apart from") rhetorical devices like sarcasm and irony, one ought to be told gently to avoid continuing to look like a fool and/or be misinterpreted. I saw this same mistake in a professional video today and couldn't believe it. Don't use apart (separate) when you mean a part (something included).