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Posted: 12/13/2005 8:56 PM
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I see your point about getting items as late as possible, actually. I recall when watching the last run that scrolling down to mattocks seemed somewhat slow. It looks like your careful planning will take care of that! About the Will, yeah, it's probably a waste. I just thought that the process of obtaining the crystal took some small amount of time, and the equipping and using them uses quite a bit. Being a weakling certainly wouldn't help in the long run, though. :P EDIT: MattyXB, are you going to speak with and join the Man in the Marsh Cave this time? He doesn't seem to help very much (except the three or four fireballs that hit the Hydra).
Posted: 12/13/2005 9:30 PM
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FreshFeeling wrote:
EDIT: MattyXB, are you going to speak with and join the Man in the Marsh Cave this time? He doesn't seem to help very much (except the three or four fireballs that hit the Hydra).
Yes, I speak with him and he already join me. You can see it in my WIP which I posted here (I update sometimes the file, when I do a new part, so just download it again). First I have think I will first get the sickle and then speak with him later, when I must walk down and lose not much time. But the problem was the room outside to the right. I found no way through it, to much enemies which I must defeat or hit more times. And I am at a low Level, so it will take much time. I try to wait some Frames, but I will too not wait to long. So I try more things and waitings, but never get through this room or wait to long. So I speak with him as I enter the Marsh Cave at the beginning. The great thing, he shot in this problem room one fireball and I just run through the enemies without waiting this time. Was much luck. And maybe he can help me in other rooms too, that he defeat enemies, or that I can defeat some enemies faster, and maybe he can too hit the Boss often, when I can't reach him. Must try, if I can maybe manipulate the man in the Boss fight, not sure if this will work. But at all I think he is a great help for enemies. After I get the sickle I will defeat some enemies, because the sickle is much stronger here. But with sword it take to long I think. Too, because I need a mattock from the fish enemie and I think I will Level Up one more before I fight the Hydra, then it will go faster too. Marsh Cave get sickle Edit: get now the 1 manipulated mattock chest. I have try more rooms with this fish enemie. And finally here has it work. Cost not much time to get the mattock here adn I must not move so a long way for it.
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Posted: 12/14/2005 3:59 PM
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I haven't watched the WIP yet, but I was thinking... would it help you to know all of the enemy statistics? Maybe we could find that information in the ROM. I've been doing that on other games lately, and if you think it would help you maybe I could give it a shot. We could probably get details on the items and bosses, too. But since you have access to rerecords, you might not need to know those things at all.
Posted: 12/14/2005 11:35 PM
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Thanks, but I will just test it. I try to defeat only enemies which need two hits, or best only 1 hit to defeat. When it takes longer I just most hit the enemie one time and just walk through it when it is possible. Most with every Level Up it goes faster. But not sure how much faster will Bosses be with every Level more? Maybe this is interesting to know? EDIT: So Marsh Cave near done. 10 minutes and I am arrive by the Hydra Boss. Manipulate the needed key chest worked great and cost not much time. Redone now this room without much waiting this time. I just defeat some enemies in the room before and now it looks clean and good. Get too the needed key. Arrive second Boss (Hydra)
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Posted: 12/18/2005 1:50 AM
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I think after every Boss fight I will reply at this topic. When I have only small updates I edit my last message. So its time for a reply. Hydra Boss is done. First it tooks me 76 Frames longer. But after watch the movie I have think I should go down with the Hydra and hit him from there, so I can hit him more times here. This save the 76 Frames, so over 1 second. The complete fight is 346 Frames faster then my old one (second run). So near 6 seconds. And this with a lower Level too. ;) I think it looks great. I hope everyone is happy with the result. I have try every Frame and look what is the best way to defeat the Hydra. So this is the fastest possible in this situation I think. I have try many many moves. The result can seen in my new file. Hydra Boss Fight And here a nice picture from the Hydra at the beginning, many enemies and a man is inside, strange:
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Posted: 12/20/2005 4:23 AM
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Well, in that WIP I only noticed one stray sword slash (in the cave with the mattock). I'm still also not sure if talking to the Man was a good idea, he doesn't seem to kill anything except for a few of his shots hitting the hydra. I really think it costs you a small amount of time. Maybe you could play that part without him and check for a time difference. But boy, is this an improvement from the submitted run! The lizardman fight was great! I also really like that funny screenshot. Were those some things the hydra ate? :P
Posted: 12/20/2005 6:24 AM
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FreshFeeling wrote:
Well, in that WIP I only noticed one stray sword slash (in the cave with the mattock). I'm still also not sure if talking to the Man was a good idea, he doesn't seem to kill anything except for a few of his shots hitting the hydra. I really think it costs you a small amount of time. Maybe you could play that part without him and check for a time difference. But boy, is this an improvement from the submitted run! The lizardman fight was great! I also really like that funny screenshot. Were those some things the hydra ate? :P
... one stray sword slash? What does it mean? Don't understand it good enough. Is this bad or good, sound more bad? But I see no mistake in the Cave where I use the first mattock. Sorry for my bad english. Maybe I should try it without the man again. But as I say before the one room outside will not be fun. I have wait more Frames there and try some moves and can't get through it without defeat maybe most enemies. And with the sword it takes a lot of hits. Sure the man don't defeat many enemies, bit he hit them and I can walk through them for example. And his shot is as strong as my sickle I think. Because his shot kill too most enemies with 2 shots. So every hit from him to the Hydra helps me to attack one more time. At last I think the man is not so important. And I don't want to do the Hydra fight again. Sorry. About the Hydra screenshot, I have think the same, that he ate all these characters. :-D But in the real game you never see this good enough, because its only a few frames long and fast gone. You see maybe only some flicker when the Hydra appear.
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Posted: 12/20/2005 7:11 PM
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MattyXB wrote:
... one stray sword slash? What does it mean? Don't understand it good enough. Is this bad or good, sound more bad? But I see no mistake in the Cave where I use the first mattock. Sorry for my bad english.
Sorry, I meant that it looked like you slashed at nothing... but I watched again and noticed it was to hit an enemy (the Rabite near the end of the cave). Don't worry, I don't mind it if you aren't perfect at english, I appreciate that you're trying so that we can discuss these things. Hm, I didn't look carefully for the man hitting enemies so you could walk through them before. If he saves you a bit of time walking through enemies and a bit of time against the hydra, maybe it is worth it.
Posted: 12/20/2005 7:42 PM
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WOW, found a great strange Glitch in this game. I have hear from it before, that someone enter the town Wendel and land before the Ant Boss. Now it happen by me too. I test a bit walking through screens before I enter Ketts and there it happen. I land in Snowland with the Snowman. But the problem is, I don't know how I can reproduce it. I reload the Savestate and do it again. But now after I try to record it I can do it again. Not sure if such a Glitch can be used to Save time somewhere. Its like Warping, but maybe not very usefull. Because Snowland without a Chocobo I can't escape there. And still can't reproduce this Glitch anymore. :-( But happen 2 or 3 times as I try it the first time. It was 2 screens before the Kett's Mansion, I use the sickle to cut the grass and walk between these field left and right again. Then I cut the grass again and walk 2-3 Frames down before I enter the next screen, that it save 2-3 Frames. But sometimes you land in Snowmanland. It has worked as I walk from the right screen to the left screen. I still try to reproduce it and record it, but maybe I can't. OK, record it now. Still not 100% sure how it work, but here the movie: Final Fantasy Adventure Glitch Edit2: I think I can reproduce it now and maybe know how it work. The important things seems that you only cut the 3 grasses, not more. Then it work always by me. Edit3: reupload the Glitch file again. This time it contain a second longer Glitch movie, which shows the screens before the Glitch. That everyone know where it is. It would be interesting, if I can skip many things by doing this. But I think the problem will be the needed Chocobo. Not sure if he will appear, after I defeat Kary and free the Iced town and get the Bone Key. ??? But is an interesting Glitch at all, and maybe it work somewhere else too, which help much more to skip. Here it seems useless for me. Edit4: Ok, now I found an easier way. You must just cut the grass in the left room away, that you can walk at the upper path at the sea through the right room. Now just use the sickle again to cut away the grass you standing on. Now just walk back to the left and you land in Snowland. Worked now always for me. No need to cut away the other grass. And if you cut to much grass away it will not work anymore I think. It work now too, when you leave the room in other sites. But you land always in the water and can't move anymore. The Glitch will activates, when you cut away the grass the the uppest path whih is possible here. Then you can leave the screen and will always land near the Snowland. Edit 5: Yeah, many edits in one post. ;) So test it now on real machine (GameBoy Player on GameCube) worked too. And I test it with the German Version Mystic Quest. It always work. I test it with the chocobo. The funny thing, it work. You will be in Snowland with your chocobo and you can use him here. So maybe it can save a bit time later, when you can run through all screens with him, but not sure how long you must go, till you can activate the glitch. So maybe its a longer way as just go this way without the chocobo. And another funny thing, when you do it and land in the water, the chocobo will hang too. You can't swim anymore with him here. So after many test I found the important things. 1. Go from the left screen to the right screen at the uppest path after cut away the grass. 2. Use the sickle 3. Now the Glitch is activated and you will land near the Snowland when go back. Or in the water when you go to the right or up. But in the water its useless, you will hang and can't move anymore.
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Posted: 12/21/2005 8:23 PM
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I test today a bit with this glitch and found interesting things. Important, you must have the swimming Chocobo, or you will never every leave the Snowland again. So this glitch is maybe only usefull, after get the Chocobo and after he learn swimming. But the problem, at this time you must at all do Snowland, so you can't skip so much from the game. Chocobo will be in the Snowfield. He follow you too in the Cave. So its possible to have him while fight against Kary. Maybe not usefull in this fight, but maybe its usefull for the way. He ran faster. Some little problems is the switching. For some things I must switch to the Hero. Open doors, activate switches, climb stairways and enter entrances. So still not sure if the faster walking will save much enough time to get faster through this Stage. Maybe when I am later at this place I must test the Stage 2 times. 1 with the glitch and one without and see what is faster till I am out and can swim again. Because near the complete Snowfield I can too run with the Chocobo, which save there too time. Or has someone something against this glitch run? When I warp to the Snowland? It will skip near nothing, because at this time you must do Snowland at all I think. You save maybe only a bit time, because Chocobo can run through the snow and through the Ice Stage.
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Posted: 12/21/2005 8:23 PM
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That's pretty cool... and great that you can duplicate it now. Maybe if you learn how to do the one at Wendel to the Mantis Ant you could save some serious time! I sort of forget whether you'd need the Chocobo at that point or not. If there is some reason to use it later in the game it would be very interesting to see you make use of it. I wonder if there's anywhere else you can do something similar? EDIT:
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Or has someone something against this glitch run? When I warp to the Snowland?
Oh, no, I'd love to see you make use of it! A little bit of "creativity" would be good for a movie of this game, if you ask me.
Posted: 12/21/2005 8:56 PM
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FreshFeeling wrote:
That's pretty cool... and great that you can duplicate it now. Maybe if you learn how to do the one at Wendel to the Mantis Ant you could save some serious time! I sort of forget whether you'd need the Chocobo at that point or not.
Only read it one time on GameFAQs, when I not wrong. But the messages get deleted when nobody answer for a longer time. So I am not sure if this one is real. But maybe when it work here, why not somewhere else. Who know, how many secret glitch Warp point exist in this game. But the problem with the Mantis Ant is, that you need the Rusty Sword, or it will be useless too. I am not sure yet, where you get it. Was it in the Bone Cave? Or earlier or later after the fight with the Lich Boss? So do this glitch to early it will not help you. Arrive Lee Vampire Boss Glitch Warp from Kett to Snowland
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Posted: 12/23/2005 2:14 AM
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Next Boss done. The Chain is a great fast weapon. And now its 240 Frames faster then the second time. And this again with a lower Level. Hit at the beginning as fast as possible. The problem is only, when he came back, there I must walk to the wall, because he always hit me, when I am near him at his next attack. But then its again as fast as possible I think. Get again all needed items, which I want for the next Stages. Edit: Next Boss done Megapede. Was easy fight. This time is 117 Frames faster, and you know, lower Level. I defeat him before he enter the second time the cave. So it was faster then the second run. But then I must escape from the exploding. So this takes a bit time. But at all near 2 seconds faster. I have see, that I always walk so much to stand right by the next hit. But when I press both buttons at the same time I will automatical turn to the right side. So its much faster. Other good thing, I have enough money for the Silver sword. Was important, then I lose not much time to fight against some more enemies. 1st part from Medusa Cave done, get Ice Glitch Warp from Kett to Snowland
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Posted: 12/29/2005 7:29 PM
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So time again for a reply. since the last reply 2 more Bosses done. One I only edit my message and now after the 2nd I reply. Both bosses again faster. Last Boss done is Medusa. 341 Frames faster then my second run. The complete movie is at this point 10161 Frames faster. Near 3 mintes faster, so I hope I reach my goal, that the complete movie will be later maybe 1 hour 30 minutes. I manipulate again much luck in this Medusa Cave. Must get a key chest, which work good. I think there was no need to manipulate the first Ice room here. As I first enter it with no Ice equiped it was bad. Then I equiped Ice as fast as possible in the room before and the spider sit on the switch, so I must wait no frame here. Great luck. Medusa was an easier fight then I thought. Was not so hard as in my second run and lose not much time to avoid here attacks. So the complete fight looks much better then the second time. Last I manipulate the chocobo at the outside. So I not scroll as fast as possible through the last message. I wait some Frames, that the Chocobo appear near the exit. EDIT: Redone the Medusa Fight. Watch again this WIP and see, that I can improve one room much (the one where I Ice the spider on the switch, just do it later, so the Ice must not go so a long way). So I save some Frames here. The Medusa Fight is too faster this time, I think more luck, because she moves different. Medusa fight is 45 Frames faster and the complete movie at this point 83 frames. So again over 1 second. :-) WIP files: Medusa defeated 2nd time Glitch warp from Kett to Snowland
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Posted: 12/31/2005 6:41 AM
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That's a pretty big difference. Being closer when you cast the Ice spell was a good idea. This run looks a lot better than the previous one already... it would be neat if you could find a use for that glitch, though.
Posted: 1/1/2006 3:55 AM
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Today I found this site: Final Fantasy Secrets There stand something about some Warp zones. Not sure if they all usefull, maybe I must test them. 1. From Wendel Warp to Snowfield Warp 3 (FFA) in the woods west of Wendel, there is one screen where a road runs west to south and another road runds west to east on top of it. On the bottom road, face west. Equip any ax and go to the western limit of the screen. Make sure your limit gage is NOT full and attack to the left, at the same time moving to the left screen. You'll warp to the snowy fields. EDIT: This one work after some tries. The important thing, you must cut the correct tree, then you warp to the Snowfield too like by my Warp. But you are near the beginning from the Snowfield. 2. A Game restart Warp? Warp 4/5 (FFA) in the last dungeon, there is a long zig-zag road. On the top screen, stand on the farthest place you can go without entering the forest-like place. Repeat the following until you go over the top of the screen and warp to the fire cave. 1. press up 2. press "select" while you're moving one step. (do this quickly) 3. save, reset Use this method in the entrance to snowy fields and you don't have to get off the chocobo. (you can even enter the cave with the chocobo) 3. Warp from the Medusa Cave to the Moring Star? Wow, this must I try. Warp2 In the cave where you get the Ice magic, go to the corner room right before you get the ice magic. Equip a sword, and put your will to the max. While sliding on the two plates, do the max-move to the right. Press left when you're flying back, and keep pressing left. You'll warp to the cave where you get the star. EDIT: WOW, work too. So you can get the Morning Star earlier in the game. But not sure if this is good. Because I have no idea if you can leave here. 4. Next Game restart Warp? Warp! (FF adventure) In the bridge that leads to the town of Wendel, do this: 1. step one up 2. While moving, and before landing onto the next step press "select" 3. Save, reset And you'll warp to Jad after reaching the boundary of the screen. EDIT: Work but a restart is needed. With this I can skip too many things. Buy the Oil, Silver Cave (Megapede Fight), buy Silver Sword, Gaia Cave, Airship, EDIT 2: Look again my second run and found out this. Warp from the Medusa Cave to the Moring Star will save much time, I must only get the Ice from the Medusa Cave and then warp to the next Cave. With this I can skip these things: Medusa Fight, Davias Fight and Crab Fight. And too much walking will saved. I will land in the Zyklop Golem Cave, this is the next important Cave in the game. So maybe its usefull. But I have no idea how the game will work, when I still have Amanda as friend in my group, and Lester will not be saved. That maybe something goes wrong later or I don't get the next important friend? And I miss maybe some needed Level Ups and must defeat more enemies later. So one last question, will this Warp accepted when I do it and it maybe work? Because it will skip 3 Boss Fights and is more a glitch and no real warp. 4 different Warp Glitche So now after see all these Warp glitches I think I will maybe start a next run after I complete a clean run for now. So then I will do maybe 2 movies. One complete run and one glitch run. Like some other movies here on this site. The Warps which I will maybe use are: 1. Warp from Wendel to Jadd (Game Restart Glitch) Work, still have the girl as friend till I enter Medusa Cave, in the first screen I will have 2 Amanda's. 2. Warp from Medusa Cave to Cyklop/Golem Cave Still have Amanda as friend. Not tested yet, but when the first part work this will to work I think. 3. Warp from Kett to Snowfield Have Chocobo in the Snowfield. These seems to be usefull after see all these. I hope that the game maybe not do something stupid, or I can't finish it because something is missing.
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Posted: 1/1/2006 5:30 AM
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Posted: 1/1/2006 1:55 PM
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Sorry, have I do something wrong, that I often edit my post? I will not always reply when I found out something new, have not know that it will be a problem, when I just edit my post. EDIT: Oh, ok. Now I understand I think. Not know what it mean first. I don't own IRC and have never notice this field here. I hope I will remember it in the future. Thanks for the tip. And sorry for the trouble, was late yesterday/today and have found so much new for me. EDIT2: Here a new list for the later Glitch run. Not sure about the end, maybe I can skip 1 key chest too. But I will see it later, the beginning is maybe correct. I can skip 1 mattock chest, and must get 2 Crystal chest earlier which I normaly get on the Airship. And I think I will more Level Up, because when I skip so much I will maybe to weak. But first I do a clean glitchless run. This one will follow I hope. Bogard house get 7 mattock (7 mattock) West Cave use 1 mattock (6 mattock) Marsh Cave get 7 mattock & 4 key use 5 mattock & 1 key (8 mattock & 3 key) Kett get 5 Crystal use 1 Crystal, 5 mattock & 2 key (4 Crystal, 3 mattock & 1 key) WENDEL WARP TO JADD no use anymore: Buy no Oil 4 mattock (Silver Cave) skip Megapede Fight Buy no Silver Sword 1 Crystal (After Gaia Cave) 1 Key (Airship) 1 Mattock (Airship) Skip many moves and cutscenes Still have the Girl as friend till Medusa Cave. Must get earlier: (not sure about this one yet) 4 Key (Kett) 2 Crystal (Kett) (4 Crystal, 3 mattock & 1 key) Medusa Cave get 4 key use 1 mattock & 1 key use 1 Crystal (Glitch Warp) (3 Crystal, 2 mattock & 5 key) WARP FROM MEDUSA CAVE TO CYKLOP GOLEM CAVE No use anymore: 1 Mattock (Medusa Cave) Skip Medusa Fight 2 Mattock (Jadd) 2 Key (Jadd) Skip Davias fight Skip Crab fight Skip many moves again Still have Amanda as friend. (3 Crystal, 2 mattock & 5 key) Montain Cave use 1 mattock, 2 key (3 Crystal, 1 mattock, 3 key) Castle get 4 key & 1 Crystal use 2 key & 2 Crystal (2 Crystal, 5 key) WARP FROM KETT TO ICE FIELD Skip near nothing. Just have Chocobo in the Cave and Snowfield. Ice Cave use 2 key & 2 Crystal (3 key) Bone Cave use 2 key (1 key) Dime Tower get 8 keys (or 4 keys more) use 4 keys (5 keys) Must see, how many keys I need at the end. Maybe I need no more keys anymore.
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Posted: 1/1/2006 9:13 PM
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Some problem, which I notice now. The movie will desync, when I warp from Wendel to Jadd. Its not the same as I record it. I see it in the town, all people work different and begin at different places. Very strange, sometimes enemies don't desync after trie it now more times (Emulator Reset enemies desync, but button Reset they don't?). But the town people always desync by me, too by the button Reset. But I think and hope it will work later, because I just rerecord after the Reset and after watch the movie if it desync. So I hope it will work later without desync anymore. Must only stop the movie at this point and rerecord with the new sync. Arrive Davias 4 Warp Glitches
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Posted: 1/3/2006 6:22 AM
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That's pretty exciting! Using all of these warps will really save some time! Fewer item switches, less walking, a lot less dialogue... I sure hope the desynchs get worked out. How much do you think being lower level will affect this run?
Posted: 1/3/2006 1:44 PM
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FreshFeeling wrote:
That's pretty exciting! Using all of these warps will really save some time! Fewer item switches, less walking, a lot less dialogue... I sure hope the desynchs get worked out. How much do you think being lower level will affect this run?
Not sure yet about the lower Level, I just try to Level up much more earlier. And I hope you understand, that I first do a warpless run. Because with all these warps I need a different start. I must defeat much more enemies to Level Up more in the beginning. I think I know how I can get the desynch worked out. I must stop the movie and just rerecord after the Reset, I think this will help. But I am already so far in my other run, that all important warps already useless. So I will now do a complete run without warps, to show all, what you normaly must do in this game. Because I already calculate so much for this warpless run when I must get items and where I must use them. If I would do the warp run now I must near restart the complete run. And I already done so much that I will not do it. Then after this one is finish I start again with the warp run. Maybe when I can defeat much enough enemies at the beginning I can too buy the axe earlier. But not sure about this one yet, if I get enough money. Maybe I must manipulate the rooms, that more enemies appear to defeat. So different then I do it now. And I hope with all these warps I can get a time under 1 hour. This would be great. So when all work good, we will have later 2 runs. A warpless run where you must do all needed things to finish this game and then a warp run which skip many things. I think it will be no problem, because from other games exist too 2 or more different runs. So now just wait and see how this all will work. First I must finish the other run. But I can't wait too, to see this warp run myself. I most think more about the warp run then this one I still working on. EDIT: I defeat now Davias. After I defeat him I see, that I forget the move through screens, which save 2-3 Frames. So I have try it again and do it, but the the fight takes some Frames longer, around 5 Frames. So it was more luck, that I enter this room without save the 3 Frames here. The fight itself is 307 Frames faster then in the second run and was very easy. Its great to see, that I have take near the same time as I try it a second time. This show me, that this fight is near as fast as possible and maybe only some litte Frames can be saved with more luck or more luck manipulation. But at all its fast and look great I think. Edit2: Defeat Crab now. Its hard to say how much faster this fight is, because I change the weapon at different room and Level up in the other run. But its over 450 Frames faster for sure I think. Edit 3: Defeat Zyklop. Was a hard and long fight with much rerecordings I think. But its too over 300 Frames faster and look good. Sometimes you can manipulate the luck by him, how he walk. But most after 2 hits he will run to you and swing his Star. At the end I stand near the chest and the fastest way out. defeat Zyklop 4 Warp glitches
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Posted: 1/3/2006 8:51 PM
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Okay. Maybe when you do the glitch run, you should try gaining experience after you warp. The monsters would be hard for your level, but maybe with the way experience increases as you advance in the game, the levelling would go much faster. For example, maybe killing one enemy in the snowfields takes 10 seconds, but gives you a level right away. That might be faster than killing mushrooms at the very beginning. That would require a bit of experimentation to figure out, though.
Posted: 1/5/2006 11:06 PM
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Joined: 4/23/2005
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Golem now done. I have redone this fight, because my first version looks bad. It was slower then the fight in my second run. I think first, that the reason is maybe the lower Level, but I was wrong. I watch the fight again and try it again. The second time I use a different strategie. I try most to hit the Golem 2 times with the Star. This helped much and this time its near 100 Frames faster then as in my second run. The fight itself is easy. Must only find the best point, where I can hit him 2 times with one hit. And I think it work great. Only sometimes when there is no way or I must wait to long I hit him only one time. But most 2 times. And show a small glitch, when exit the waterfall. When the bridge breaks my Star hang in the air near the Cave Exit. ;-) Edit: defeat Chimera now. Its a good fight I think. I manipulate this Boss, that he never came down. Ok, not much what I manipulate. He try only one time to come down, this is the time where I hit him only one time with the Morning Star. All other time I hit him 2 times with one Star use. The fight is 534 Frames faster as in my second run. So much faster this time, near 9 seconds, the main reason is the 2 hits every time, so I have search always the first Frame where I can hit him 2 times without get hit myself. The good part too, I am near the exit as I hit him the last time. Edit2: The way to Dark Lord is/was the hell. The room where I must freeze the 2 soldiers was very hard to complete fast and good. I have much try to get it like that, not perfect, but found no other way yet. Maybe I must try to manipulate the room better. I try some differents Frames, but I will again look, if I found a better Frame. Found too again a nice glitch. In the one room with 4 chest and the werewolfs. I push a chest away from the switch without close the stairs. Normaly it will not work, but I think the werewolfs are the reason, that the game things there is something still on the switch. Other things, I sometimes destroy 4 enemies with one hit. And I get the 2 needed chest in this Stage. Edit 3: Defeat Dark Lord now. Its 104 Frames faster. And I try to make this fight look more interesting, so I fight him only on the small way up and down. I never go right or left in the fight till he is dead. And I try often to walk though him without get hit from him. Last I try to be near the exit at the end. So I walk down by the last hits. Edit 4: So with Kary is one of the hardest Levels done. Must manipulate again much here and there. And found some new tricks to go faster through some ice rooms. Sometimes you can walk over the ice without sliding. So I am faster in the next door when I not slide away from it. Kary itself is only 49 Frames faster. But again faster. And I am at the chest when it appear. Now I hope I can Level Up enough till I reach the Bone Cave (or Fire Cave). There I need much more HP. I have try to defeat many enemies on the way to the Ice Cave, but still not enough yet. Edit 5: Defeat Kraken, is 132 Frames faster. Have not think, that it will be so fast, because my second one looks too not so bad. And I can hit him always only 1 time. Arrive Ifryt (or how he calls). Some rooms need much manipulation. The lst one for example. And the bad thing, I must wait, till I can use the weapon after I freeze the enemie, it will not work before. Edit 6: Defeat now too Ifryte. Its 671 Frames faster. defeat Ifryte 4 Warp Glitche
Last TAS finished: Final Fantasy Adventure (4.0 Warp Glitch Run) WIP in the moment: Tail Gator (GB) Matty
Posted: 1/10/2006 6:52 PM
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Joined: 4/23/2005
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So much edits, time for a reply. ;) Lich now defeated. 363 Frames faster. Not much missing anymore. The Cave which I must open with Nuke, the Dime Tower and the Mana Temple. Edit1: Defeat Mantis Ant. 119 Frames faster. Arrive Dime Tower and get the last 2 needed chest in this game. 2 Key chest in one room. Have much luck and cost me not long. Has work good and cost too not much time. Edit2: Garuda defeated. 64 Frames faster. The complete movie is at this point a bit over 25000 Frames faster. So near 7 minutes (25200 = 7 minutes). I think 10 minutes faster is not possible, but at all a great time. Edit3: Defeat the 1. Dragon. Wow, 522 Frames faster. Have think this fight will be much harder, too in Frame Advance. But it was not so hard. I have manipulate the Dragon one time, that he not change the direction. When he goes at the top line I walk first some steps left, wait some Frames and walk back to him to attack. This help me to defeat him faster. So I must not walk so a long way to hit him again. Edit4: And the Red Dragon defeated too now. This is much faster 1357 Frames. And again I manipulate him, that he not walk back. Same strategy, walk a bit left and right and wait the right Frame where he will not walk back anymore. The complete movie is now 27434 Frames faster at this point. Over 7,6 minutes. Edit5: Defeat Dragon Zombie. 566 Frames faster. Only Julius is missing now. Edit6: Defeat Julius (1, the 3 small Juliuses). 288 Frames faster. I use the complete fight the full Will power of my sword and it circle in the complete fight. I think it looks great, not sure if this is stronger at all, but maybe too. But it looks for sure much more entertainment when I do it this way. By my first try it stop and still one Julius left which need one hit, so I have think it must be possible to defeat all and still have the Will power and it worked. I have too try it in an earlier fight against the Zyklop. But there it was not a good idea and I try it the normal way with just normal hits. But I think here it is maybe faster and looks better. Edit7: Julius 2 defeated. 625 Framaes faster. So only the last Boss is missing now. defeated Julius (2.) 4 Warp Glitches
Last TAS finished: Final Fantasy Adventure (4.0 Warp Glitch Run) WIP in the moment: Tail Gator (GB) Matty
Posted: 1/15/2006 10:50 PM
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Joined: 4/23/2005
Posts: 435
Location: Germany
Finish, please watch the run and vote for it. I have hard worked for it and I think it is a great run now. All improved, and the important thing, all Boss fights much improved. So at all I saved over 8 minutes now.
Last TAS finished: Final Fantasy Adventure (4.0 Warp Glitch Run) WIP in the moment: Tail Gator (GB) Matty
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