Well, it's really pointless in a timettack here.
Btw, ManuLöwe has released a new version of his bugfix patch for Final Fantasy III.
Link: http://www.manuloewe.de/kayen.htm
P.S. For German people ;P
Hi.
I've started a TAS for this game. Foe several reasons:
- I've always wanted to make one
and
- To get something out for people to work with. I see here all talk, no action (no offence) so I've decided to break the ice.
Now, the one I have made is very rough. I won't be submitting it in after it's complete.
There is one rule I have applied though:
No instant kills. All kills will be through damage. So I won't be using Vanish/Doom or Joker Doom, or even Fenix Down.
Yeah, it uses up more time, but it's more entertaining at the same time. Although I have to admit, watching a run for this game is hardly entertaining. Oh well, I'm having a great time making it.
Currently up to Banon's scenario. Nothing too difficult as yet.
did you compare your time to Jyzero's WIP? its somewhere in this thread anyways
well goodluck, since its your first TAS + your not using instant kills, this definitly wont be the fastest possiblebut i will be watching this anyways since i love this game
anyways you can host your wips on DeHacked's storages ( http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php ) which i believe anyone is free to use but you might want to ask him first
Now, the one I have made is very rough. I won't be submitting it in after it's complete.
There is one rule I have applied though:
No instant kills. All kills will be through damage. So I won't be using Vanish/Doom or Joker Doom, or even Fenix Down.
Yeah, it uses up more time, but it's more entertaining at the same time. Although I have to admit, watching a run for this game is hardly entertaining. Oh well, I'm having a great time making it.
Currently up to Banon's scenario. Nothing too difficult as yet.
Awesome, sir! Seeing some 'tougher' LLG bosses beaten without Vanish/Doom (or Joker Doom) will certainly be a treat to the eyes.
Do you plan on releasing any WIPs?
-Oz.
If practice makes perfect, but nobody's perfect, why practice?
There is one rule I have applied though:
No instant kills. All kills will be through damage. So I won't be using Vanish/Doom or Joker Doom, or even Fenix Down.
Yeah, it uses up more time, but it's more entertaining at the same time. Although I have to admit, watching a run for this game is hardly entertaining.
im glad you're working on it, but theres nothing entertaining about drawn out battles that don't have to be. abuse everything you can in the game. or maybe thats just me. still, happy to see someone working on this again. best of luck.
Good luck with this, Erim. It'll be interesting to see a run of this that doesn't abuse Vanish-Doom or other glitches. I think there's probably room for both kinds on the site if any of us ever take on the other run.
Which characters do you plan to pick up in WoR? Going in the Celes/Edgar/Setzer probably isn't the fastest way. Sabin and Gau both are fairly easy to get and power up. Mog is obvious, due to the Moogle Charm. I'm interested in hearing your plans.
Actually I don't see the point in not using vanish/doom trick. It will just be pain probably to watch longer battles. It would be fine if it's not used against bosses. But against enemies it would be OK to use it just to make it quick. Since regular enemy battles aren't that fun to watch anyways. Well.. I'm not going to say too much because maby you've got an ace up your sleeve which makes it more interesting. But I'm very doubtful. Please prove me wrong. Either way it's grate to hear that someone is taking this game up again. All credits to you Erim, good luck!
Actually I don't see the point in not using vanish/doom trick. It will just be pain probably to watch longer battles. It would be fine if it's not used against bosses. But against enemies it would be OK to use it just to make it quick. Since regular enemy battles aren't that fun to watch anyways. Well.. I'm not going to say too much because maby you've got an ace up your sleeve which makes it more interesting. But I'm very doubtful. Please prove me wrong. Either way it's grate to hear that someone is taking this game up again. All credits to you Erim, good luck!
Maybe always low health for continious desperation attacks? that'd be awesome to see. desperation attacks pwn.
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2.5 Desperation Attacks
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If you attack while the character's current HP < their max HP / 8, then there
is a 1 in 16 chance of doing a desperation attack instead of a normal attack.
Gau and Umaro do not have desperation attacks.
If the character has any of the following statuses, then they will never do
a desperation attack: Muddle, Image, Clear, Zombie
Characters will never use their desperation attack more than once each combat.
While the Battle Time Counter (See section 2.8 Battle Timing) is less than
768, characters won't use their desperation attacks. (i.e. Characters will
never use Desperation Attacks during the first 25.6 seconds of combat)
All Desperation attacks are unblockable (see step 3 in hit determination)
All Desperation attacks are magical attacks, that ignore defense (skip steps
5, 6b, 6c, 6d, 6e, 6f, and 7 in damage calculation.)
Sabre Soul and Star Prism are instant death attacks, rather than damage-dealing
attacks like the others. Shadow Fang will also inflict seizure status.
Here is every character's desperation attack:
Char Attack Power
Locke Mirager 139
Terra Riot Blade 142
Celes Spin Edge 143
Edgar Royal Shock 143
Sabin Tiger Break 140
Cyan Back Blade 140
Mog Moogle Rush 150
Strago Sabre Soul 0
Relm Star Prism 0
Shadow Shadow Fang 140
Setzer Red Card 147
Gogo X-Meteo 146
so it'd take at least 25 seconds within each battle for them to be able to pull one off.
so it'd take at least 25 seconds within each battle for them to be able to pull one off.
hmm, that's a little bit of a downer, but hopefully that would mean we could see (at least) one (preference to a different one) more or less every boss battle.
dunno, check the algorithm FAQ; i checked battle timing, and it mentioned nothing there. i honestly dont know. however, if they all count as one, then remember only one can be used per character per battle.
dunno, check the algorithm FAQ; i checked battle timing, and it mentioned nothing there. i honestly dont know. however, if they all count as one, then remember only one can be used per character per battle.
Yes, but you could let characters die on earlier tiers and have the replacements use their attacks too. Theoretically, everyone you collect could slap Kefka with their DA (well, not Gau if you get him.) I'll check in the forums and see if anyone knows, but we may just have to check manually. Anyone got a convenient save state?
Yes, actually
theres one before everyone steps on a switch and one right at the start of the first tier battle (w/full health unfortunately). one thing, this was made w/ ROM V1.1, i dont know how much that will matter, but just as a note.
oh, and these were just leftover after i cleaned out my SNES folder of savestates.
BTW: a WHOLE lotta cheatin goin on in that save state. used the code that gives just gives stuff like Genji Equipment and Paladin Shields after battle.
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3B2] Hit Point Codes
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Use these codes to change your maximum of current HP values. Leave the codes
that change your current HP on to get INFINITE HP!
NOTE: Replace the XX and YY in the following codes with the valies in the table
below the codes for Vicks.
Celes's Current HP (also moogle Kutan)
7E16E7XX
7E16E8YY
Celes's Max HP (also moogle Kutan)
7E16E9XX
7E16EAYY
Cyan's Current HP (also moogle Kupek)
7E1653XX
7E1654YY
Cyan's Max HP (also moogle Kupek)
7E1655XX
7E1656YY
Edgar's Current HP (also moogle Kumama)
7E169DXX
7E169EYY
Edgar's Max HP (also moogle Kumama)
7E169FXX
7E16A0YY
Gau's Current HP (also moogle Kuru)
7E17A0XX
7E17A1YY
Gau's Max HP (also moogle Kuru)
7E17A2XX
7E17A3YY
Gogo's Current HP (also moogle Kamog)
7E17C5XX
7E17C6YY
Gogo's Max HP (also moogle Kamog)
7E17C7XX
7E17C8YY
Locke's Current HP
7E162EXX
7E162FYY
Locke's Max HP
7E1630XX
7E1631YY
Mog's Current HP
7E177BXX
7E177CYY
Mog's Max HP
7E177DXX
7E177EYY
Relm's Current HP (also moogle Kushu)(also Ghost 2)
7E1731XX
7E1732YY
Relm's Max HP (also moogle Kushu)(also Ghost 2)
7E1733XX
7E1734YY
Sabin's Current HP (also moogle Kuku)
7E16C2XX
7E16C3YY
Sabin's Max HP (also moogle Kuku)
7E16C4XX
7E16C5YY
Setzer's Current HP (also moogle Kurin)
7E1756XX
7E1757YY
Setzer's Max HP (also moogle Kurin)
7E1758XX
7E1759YY
Shadow's Current HP (also moogle Kupop)
7E1678XX
7E1679YY
Shadow's Max HP (also moogle Kupop)
7E167AXX
7E167BYY
Strago's Current HP (also moogle Kupan)(also Ghost 1)
7E170CXX
7E170DYY
Strago's Max HP (also moogle Kupan)(also Ghost 1)
7E170EXX
7E170FYY
Terra's Current HP
7E1609XX
7E160AYY
Terra's Max HP
7E160BXX
7E160CYY
Umaro's Current HP
7E17EAXX
7E17EBYY
Umaro's Max HP
7E17ECXX
7E17EDYY
Banon's Current HP (also Wedge)(also Leo)
7E180FXX
7E1810YY
Banon's Max HP (also Wedge)(also Leo)
7E1811XX
7E1812YY
Vicks's Current HP
7E1834XX
7E1835YY
Vicks's Max HP
7E1836XX
7E1837YY
NOTE: Replace the XX and YY in the above codes with the following values:
YY = 00 XX = 32 50 HP
YY = 00 XX = 64 100 HP
YY = 00 XX = 96 150 HP
YY = 00 XX = C8 200 HP
YY = 00 XX = FA 250 HP
YY = 01 XX = 2C 300 HP
YY = 01 XX = 5E 350 HP
YY = 01 XX = 90 400 HP
YY = 01 XX = C2 450 HP
YY = 01 XX = F4 500 HP
YY = 02 XX = 26 550 HP
YY = 02 XX = 58 600 HP
YY = 02 XX = 8A 650 HP
YY = 02 XX = BC 700 HP
YY = 02 XX = EE 750 HP
YY = 03 XX = 20 800 HP
YY = 03 XX = 52 850 HP
YY = 03 XX = 84 900 HP
YY = 03 XX = B6 950 HP
YY = 03 XX = E8 1000 HP
YY = 04 XX = 1A 1050 HP
YY = 04 XX = 4C 1100 HP
YY = 04 XX = 7E 1150 HP
YY = 04 XX = B0 1200 HP
YY = 04 XX = E2 1250 HP
YY = 05 XX = 14 1300 HP
YY = 05 XX = 46 1350 HP
YY = 05 XX = 78 1400 HP
YY = 05 XX = AA 1450 HP
YY = 05 XX = DC 1500 HP
YY = 06 XX = 0E 1550 HP
YY = 06 XX = 40 1600 HP
YY = 06 XX = 72 1650 HP
YY = 06 XX = A4 1700 HP
YY = 06 XX = D6 1750 HP
YY = 07 XX = 08 1800 HP
YY = 07 XX = 3A 1850 HP
YY = 07 XX = 6C 1900 HP
YY = 07 XX = 9E 1950 HP
YY = 07 XX = D0 2000 HP
YY = 08 XX = 02 2050 HP
YY = 08 XX = 34 2100 HP
YY = 08 XX = 66 2150 HP
YY = 08 XX = 98 2200 HP
YY = 08 XX = CA 2250 HP
YY = 08 XX = FC 2300 HP
YY = 09 XX = 2E 2350 HP
YY = 09 XX = 60 2400 HP
YY = 09 XX = 92 2450 HP
YY = 09 XX = C4 2500 HP
YY = 09 XX = F6 2550 HP
YY = 0A XX = 28 2600 HP
YY = 0A XX = 5A 2650 HP
YY = 0A XX = 8C 2700 HP
YY = 0A XX = BE 2750 HP
YY = 0A XX = F0 2800 HP
YY = 0B XX = 22 2850 HP
YY = 0B XX = 54 2900 HP
YY = 0B XX = 86 2950 HP
YY = 0B XX = B8 3000 HP
YY = 0B XX = EA 3050 HP
YY = 0C XX = 1C 3100 HP
YY = 0C XX = 4E 3150 HP
YY = 0C XX = 80 3200 HP
YY = 0C XX = B2 3250 HP
YY = 0C XX = E4 3300 HP
YY = 0D XX = 16 3350 HP
YY = 0D XX = 48 3400 HP
YY = 0D XX = 7A 3450 HP
YY = 0D XX = AC 3500 HP
YY = 0D XX = DE 3550 HP
YY = 0E XX = 10 3600 HP
YY = 0E XX = 42 3650 HP
YY = 0E XX = 74 3700 HP
YY = 0E XX = A6 3750 HP
YY = 0E XX = D8 3800 HP
YY = 0F XX = 0A 3850 HP
YY = 0F XX = 3C 3900 HP
YY = 0F XX = 6E 3950 HP
YY = 0F XX = A0 4000 HP
YY = 0F XX = D2 4050 HP
YY = 10 XX = 04 4100 HP
YY = 10 XX = 36 4150 HP
YY = 10 XX = 68 4200 HP
YY = 10 XX = 9A 4250 HP
YY = 10 XX = CC 4300 HP
YY = 10 XX = FE 4350 HP
YY = 11 XX = 30 4400 HP
YY = 11 XX = 62 4450 HP
YY = 11 XX = 94 4500 HP
YY = 11 XX = C6 4550 HP
YY = 11 XX = F8 4600 HP
YY = 12 XX = 2A 4650 HP
YY = 12 XX = 5C 4700 HP
YY = 12 XX = 8E 4750 HP
YY = 12 XX = C0 4800 HP
YY = 12 XX = F2 4850 HP
YY = 13 XX = 24 4900 HP
YY = 13 XX = 56 4950 HP
YY = 13 XX = 88 5000 HP
YY = 13 XX = BA 5050 HP
YY = 13 XX = EC 5100 HP
YY = 14 XX = 1E 5150 HP
YY = 14 XX = 50 5200 HP
YY = 14 XX = 82 5250 HP
YY = 14 XX = B4 5300 HP
YY = 14 XX = E6 5350 HP
YY = 15 XX = 18 5400 HP
YY = 15 XX = 4A 5450 HP
YY = 15 XX = 7C 5500 HP
YY = 15 XX = AE 5550 HP
YY = 15 XX = E0 5600 HP
YY = 16 XX = 12 5650 HP
YY = 16 XX = 44 5700 HP
YY = 16 XX = 76 5750 HP
YY = 16 XX = A8 5800 HP
YY = 16 XX = DA 5850 HP
YY = 17 XX = 0C 5900 HP
YY = 17 XX = 3E 5950 HP
YY = 17 XX = 70 6000 HP
YY = 17 XX = A2 6050 HP
YY = 17 XX = D4 6100 HP
YY = 18 XX = 06 6150 HP
YY = 18 XX = 38 6200 HP
YY = 18 XX = 6A 6250 HP
YY = 18 XX = 9C 6300 HP
YY = 18 XX = CE 6350 HP
YY = 19 XX = 00 6400 HP
YY = 19 XX = 32 6450 HP
YY = 19 XX = 64 6500 HP
YY = 19 XX = 96 6550 HP
YY = 19 XX = C8 6600 HP
YY = 19 XX = FA 6650 HP
YY = 1A XX = 2C 6700 HP
YY = 1A XX = 5E 6750 HP
YY = 1A XX = 90 6800 HP
YY = 1A XX = C2 6850 HP
YY = 1A XX = F4 6900 HP
YY = 1B XX = 26 6950 HP
YY = 1B XX = 58 7000 HP
YY = 1B XX = 8A 7050 HP
YY = 1B XX = BC 7100 HP
YY = 1B XX = EE 7150 HP
YY = 1C XX = 20 7200 HP
YY = 1C XX = 52 7250 HP
YY = 1C XX = 84 7300 HP
YY = 1C XX = B6 7350 HP
YY = 1C XX = E8 7400 HP
YY = 1D XX = 1A 7450 HP
YY = 1D XX = 4C 7500 HP
YY = 1D XX = 7E 7550 HP
YY = 1D XX = B0 7600 HP
YY = 1D XX = E2 7650 HP
YY = 1E XX = 14 7700 HP
YY = 1E XX = 46 7750 HP
YY = 1E XX = 78 7800 HP
YY = 1E XX = AA 7850 HP
YY = 1E XX = DC 7900 HP
YY = 1F XX = 0E 7950 HP
YY = 1F XX = 40 8000 HP
YY = 1F XX = 72 8050 HP
YY = 1F XX = A4 8100 HP
YY = 1F XX = D6 8150 HP
YY = 20 XX = 08 8200 HP
YY = 20 XX = 3A 8250 HP
YY = 20 XX = 6C 8300 HP
YY = 20 XX = 9E 8350 HP
YY = 20 XX = D0 8400 HP
YY = 21 XX = 02 8450 HP
YY = 21 XX = 34 8500 HP
YY = 21 XX = 66 8550 HP
YY = 21 XX = 98 8600 HP
YY = 21 XX = CA 8650 HP
YY = 21 XX = FC 8700 HP
YY = 22 XX = 2E 8750 HP
YY = 22 XX = 60 8800 HP
YY = 22 XX = 92 8850 HP
YY = 22 XX = C4 8900 HP
YY = 22 XX = F6 8950 HP
YY = 23 XX = 28 9000 HP
YY = 23 XX = 5A 9050 HP
YY = 23 XX = 8C 9100 HP
YY = 23 XX = BE 9150 HP
YY = 23 XX = F0 9200 HP
YY = 24 XX = 22 9250 HP
YY = 24 XX = 54 9300 HP
YY = 24 XX = 86 9350 HP
YY = 24 XX = B8 9400 HP
YY = 24 XX = EA 9450 HP
YY = 25 XX = 1C 9500 HP
YY = 25 XX = 4E 9550 HP
YY = 25 XX = 80 9600 HP
YY = 25 XX = B2 9650 HP
YY = 25 XX = E4 9700 HP
YY = 26 XX = 16 9750 HP
YY = 26 XX = 48 9800 HP
YY = 26 XX = 7A 9850 HP
YY = 26 XX = AC 9900 HP
YY = 26 XX = DE 9950 HP
YY = 27 XX = 0F 9999 HP
i was just thinking of summoning Terrato or something (whichever one takes away a percentage of HP). but these'll be more accurate
398. A29D-54D8 Characters will do STRANGE things in battle...desperation
attacks, enemy attacks, calling espers, you name it... only
problem is that it is random and the person will keep repeating
the same attack over and over.
ED00-8D68...
nearly all the Lores will execute different characters'
desperation attacks!
NO PAR from GameFAQs though; the second one is only good for Strago's LORE spells BTW; and yet the first one is random.
Well, one of the guys at GameFAQs confirmed for me that the DAs can only be used once each for all three tiers plus Kefka, unfortunately. So that gives us three to five DAs to play with, depending on who we get. They also suggested other strategies, but most of them so far weren't really applicable. You can check out the thread here.
There is one rule I have applied though:
No instant kills. All kills will be through damage. So I won't be using Vanish/Doom or Joker Doom, or even Fenix Down.
Yeah, it uses up more time, but it's more entertaining at the same time. Although I have to admit, watching a run for this game is hardly entertaining.
im glad you're working on it, but theres nothing entertaining about drawn out battles that don't have to be. abuse everything you can in the game. or maybe thats just me. still, happy to see someone working on this again. best of luck.
Actually, that was the reason I wasn't looking forward to this game being done. Using Joker Doom on everything is just plain boring, especially for a long run like this.
Actually, that was the reason I wasn't looking forward to this game being done. Using Joker Doom on everything is just plain boring, especially for a long run like this.
Bosses where Echo Screen/Joker Doom or Vanish/Doom are available:
Cranes
Flame Eater
Ultros (Thamasa)
Ultros/Chupon
Air Force
Atma Weapon
Nerapa
Tentacles
Dullahan
All bosses in final dungeon (I/S/R, Guardian, Doom, Goddess, Poltergeist, three tiers/Kefka)
Bosses where said tricks are NOT available:
Whelk
M-Tek Armor
Vargas
Ultros (Lete)
Doom Train
Tunnel Armor
Kefka (Narshe)
Dadaluma
Ultros (Opera House)
Ifrit/Shiva
Number 024
Number 128
That's leaving out some mini-bosses and battles on both sides, and ignoring the fact that using V/D may not be practical for some fights (Nerapa and Tentacles, I'm looking at you...) Around half of the bosses in the game will be killed by conventional means. It's hardly as if every boss in the game would have that same strategy of instant death.
Bosses where Echo Screen/Joker Doom or Vanish/Doom are available:
Cranes
Flame Eater
Ultros (Thamasa)
Ultros/Chupon
Air Force
Atma Weapon
Nerapa
Tentacles
Dullahan
All bosses in final dungeon (I/S/R, Guardian, Doom, Goddess, Poltergeist, three tiers/Kefka)
See? Those are all the fun bosses in my opinion. At least seeing different deathblows would be more entertaining than the same instant kill trick used for however long the rest of the game lasts.
To me, the WIP that was just posted in the other FF3/6 topic (up through Number 024) was the entire game that's worth looking at if the rest is just hours of Joker Doom.
