Posted: 5/4/2006 4:31 AM
Post subject: Nesmock
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Radz
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I think Nesmock should have a GUI with different editing options, It might be a good idea to add this utility to FCEU as a new Movie Convert Tab. what do you think?
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Posted: 5/4/2006 6:18 AM
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JXQ
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I think if FCMs weren't in some goofy compressed format, we wouldn't need Nesmock.
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Posted: 5/4/2006 6:43 AM
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Bag_of_Magic_Food
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Heh, Luke was saying in IRC how it's especially dumb that they store a whole uncompressed savestate in the movie file anyway, so you might as well have FCEU read from a zip file if you want compression.
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Posted: 5/4/2006 6:48 AM
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Phil
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I think the savestate is gzipped.
Posted: 5/4/2006 6:49 AM
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Bisqwit
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It's not that FCEU movies are compressed anyway. They are event-driven. Each frame, besides joypad input events, any of other events may happen, such as a reset, poweron, a coin insert, a disk change, etc. Encoding all those possibilities without making the stream events variable-length is not quite feasible. Nintendulator, Famtasia and Snes9x don't support that kind of things, and thus, their streams are raw, seekable, indexable. But VirtuaNES does support events, and thus, therefore, VirtuaNES movies are not seekable either. Edit: No, FCM-embedded savestates are not gzipped, just as are not plain file savestates either. SMV -embedded savestates are gzipped, just as are plain file savestates too.
Posted: 5/4/2006 7:00 PM
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Luke
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It's not hard to get the best of both worlds. It would just take more memory per frame. For example, have 1 byte each frame recording the special events. Then, that could be followed by the input data for that frame. Even though this is not a very efficient format, if you ran this through zlib, it would compress excellently. And like I mentioned, FCEU has zlib in it already (for reading ROMs), so all the tools are there to have it write savestates and movies in zip format. That's how I would do it, if I were designing the format. (Why I said FCEU's format is compressed: the event-driven format has the advantage of run-length encoding--if you hold the A button down for 20 frames, it only records two events: A on, A off. So for most movies, this saves quite a bit of memory.)
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