Post by Graveworm

Posted: 5/25/2006 11:28 PM

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AngerFist

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This project is now officially 99% dead. I wont touch it anymore. Perhaps its better to announce that I wont be working on it for a very long time. Its better to not say anything why Im more or less cancelling this project.

Nitrogenesis wrote:

Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!

Arc wrote:

I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.

natt wrote:

I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it

Cooljay wrote:

Mayor Haggar and Cody are such nice people for the community. Metro City's hospitals reached an all time new record of incoming patients due to their great efforts :P

Posted: 5/26/2006 10:02 AM

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Bisqwit

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Location: Arzareth

Sounds like there's a need for a levelup in the copypasting technique! I'm 70% done with the experience required to reach that level. Hint: Try to match everything affecting the copypasting point. This includes subpixel position, and random seed if possible. Lag-affecting factors are more difficult to match. I utilized the subpixel matching in Rockman.

Posted: 5/26/2006 10:50 AM

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Bablo

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This is foolish.

<adelikat> I've been quoted with worse

Posted: 5/26/2006 10:50 AM

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xebra

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A fool and his money are soon parted.

Posted: 5/26/2006 4:07 PM

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AngerFist

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Bisqwit wrote:

Sounds like there's a need for a levelup in the copypasting technique! I'm 70% done with the experience required to reach that level. Hint: Try to match everything affecting the copypasting point. This includes subpixel position, and random seed if possible. Lag-affecting factors are more difficult to match.

If you or someone else could copypaste the trick in Pharaoh Man, I would owe my TASing life to you. Or if copypasting would be successful to at least Drill or Toad Man would be great.

Nitrogenesis wrote:

Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!

Arc wrote:

I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.

natt wrote:

I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it

Cooljay wrote:

Mayor Haggar and Cody are such nice people for the community. Metro City's hospitals reached an all time new record of incoming patients due to their great efforts :P

Posted: 5/27/2006 1:19 PM

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Graveworm

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Posts: 460

What trick? Is it something new that could help me if I decide to make a Mega Man 4 and 5 movie?

Posted: 5/27/2006 1:25 PM

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Bablo

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I bet it's the same trick that was used in Dive Man battle too. I tested it in Pharaoh Man battle too, but couldn't do it.

<adelikat> I've been quoted with worse

Posted: 5/27/2006 1:29 PM

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AngerFist

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Pharaoh Trick

Nitrogenesis wrote:

Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!

Arc wrote:

I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.

natt wrote:

I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it

Cooljay wrote:

Mayor Haggar and Cody are such nice people for the community. Metro City's hospitals reached an all time new record of incoming patients due to their great efforts :P

Posted: 5/27/2006 8:50 PM

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Swedishmartin

Joined: 11/26/2005
Posts: 285

Bisqwit wrote:

This includes subpixel position

How the heck can you measure sub-pixels? Are you using an add-on?

Posted: 5/27/2006 9:17 PM

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Graveworm

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Watching memory.

Posted: 5/27/2006 9:18 PM

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Bisqwit

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Swedishmartin wrote:

How the heck can you measure sub-pixels? Are you using an add-on?

Just as Graveworm answered. Reading the game RAM. The game keeps Rockman's coordinates in very high precision variables, and those variables are stored in the RAM, and the emulator knows where the RAM is, and I just need to know where in the RAM those variables are, and how to decode them. Which I do now know.

Posted: 5/27/2006 9:25 PM

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AngerFist

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AngerFist wrote:

This project is now officially 99% dead. I wont touch it anymore. Perhaps its better to announce that I wont be working on it for a very long time. Its better to not say anything why Im more or less cancelling this project.

Thanks to our admin, it is possible to slowly hex-edit up to Wily 3 where we are at the moment. But here is the problem, due to really bad randomness, we've (through hex-editing) lost around 25-30 frames in Bright Man. Now imagine hex-editing Ring, Dust, Skull, Dive, Drill, Toad, Cossack 1, 2, 3, 4, Wily 1 and 2 and losing a few frames during that process. How many frames do you honestly think we would lose? 76 frames is what we would gain for the trick in Pharaoh Man. Around 26 of them are lost due to tremendously bad luck in lag and other stuff. I dont want this to appear as a lame excuse if we would go ahead and finish the "un-hexed" run. But I hope everyone understand my point. Bisqwit is having the same problem when he redid Woodman. What he gained there is slowly been scattered in other stages. Question here is, would people be disappointed in me to see this run when it can be improved by 76 frames? Would people forgive me for not being the least motivated starting over to gain these 76 frames in a 30-35 minute movie? Please feel free to express any opinion you got about this.

Nitrogenesis wrote:

Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!

Arc wrote:

I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.

natt wrote:

I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it

Cooljay wrote:

Mayor Haggar and Cody are such nice people for the community. Metro City's hospitals reached an all time new record of incoming patients due to their great efforts :P

Posted: 5/27/2006 9:56 PM

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Baxter

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Ok, that's somehow good news. It's often not possible to get the same randomness... and 76 frames is nearly nothing on 30 minutes, so easil lost on randomness. Looking very much forward to seeing this submission :)

http://tasvideos.org/Baxter.html

Posted: 5/27/2006 9:59 PM

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Bablo

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Since the 76 frames wouldn't be gained from more accurate playing or zipping technique, I honestly don't care. Please continue the un-hexed run.

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Posted: 5/27/2006 9:59 PM

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JXQ

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I'd much rather you finished the run than worry about a minor improvement 47 levels back. When I watched the trick, I acutally couldn't tell what the difference was, so I would think it's nothing extremely noticeable, and so it wouldn't take away from the entertainment of the run to leave that out. Especially if it ends up being slower in the long run.

<Swordless> Go hug a tree, you vegetarian (I bet you really are one)

Posted: 5/27/2006 10:10 PM

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moozooh

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It's much better to have a 76 frames slower movie obsoleting the published one than to have no movie at all. Go for it.

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Edit: I think I understand now: It's my avatar, isn't it? It makes me look angry.

Posted: 5/27/2006 10:13 PM

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Graveworm

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Joined: 9/29/2005
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How does this Pharaoh trick work, and if it works like I think it would, does it apply on Star Man too then? Edit: I'll just say, I think I know how it works, instead of asking how it does work, I'm just kinda looking for confirmation, like does it work on Star Man because it's possible to reach the middle in that bossroom too?

Posted: 5/28/2006 10:35 AM

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Maza

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I say GO FOR IT! I don't blame you for not starting over for 76 frames. And as moozooh already said:

It's much better to have a 76 frames slower movie obsoleting the published one than to have no movie at all.

Which run should I encode next? :)

Posted: 5/28/2006 10:38 AM

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AngerFist

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Bablo wrote:

Since the 76 frames wouldn't be gained from more accurate playing or zipping technique

True, its just one jump that causes this nightmare :)

Nitrogenesis wrote:

Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!

Arc wrote:

I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.

natt wrote:

I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it

Cooljay wrote:

Mayor Haggar and Cody are such nice people for the community. Metro City's hospitals reached an all time new record of incoming patients due to their great efforts :P

Posted: 5/28/2006 5:31 PM

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Vatchern

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Its not like anyone is going to try to improve this..

http://tasvideos.org/Vatchern.html

Posted: 5/31/2006 2:55 PM

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DeHackEd

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In the hope that Angerfist reads this very soon,would he please report to the IRC channel at once.

Posted: 6/2/2006 9:48 PM

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Bag_of_Magic_Food

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AngerFist wrote:

Thanks to our admin, it is possible to slowly hex-edit up to Wily 3 where we are at the moment. But here is the problem, due to really bad randomness, we've (through hex-editing) lost around 25-30 frames in Bright Man. Now imagine hex-editing Ring, Dust, Skull, Dive, Drill, Toad, Cossack 1, 2, 3, 4, Wily 1 and 2 and losing a few frames during that process. How many frames do you honestly think we would lose? 76 frames is what we would gain for the trick in Pharaoh Man. Around 26 of them are lost due to tremendously bad luck in lag and other stuff. I dont want this to appear as a lame excuse if we would go ahead and finish the "un-hexed" run. But I hope everyone understand my point.

Just keep rerecording those levels until you lose the rest of the 76 frames, and then you'll have a good excuse for not including the trick. Yeah.

put yourself in my rocketpack if that poochie is one outrageous dude

Posted: 6/2/2006 9:49 PM

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AngerFist

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Bag of Magic Food wrote:

Yeah.

No.

Nitrogenesis wrote:

Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!

Arc wrote:

I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.

natt wrote:

I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it

Cooljay wrote:

Mayor Haggar and Cody are such nice people for the community. Metro City's hospitals reached an all time new record of incoming patients due to their great efforts :P

Posted: 6/2/2006 9:52 PM

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Bag_of_Magic_Food

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Posts: 5712

Okay, then just lie and say you did, and you'll have everyone's sympathy.

put yourself in my rocketpack if that poochie is one outrageous dude