Gather all of the TAS movies so far(31 GB), encode them on dvd-format make the iso's then upload all of the ISo's on a torrent. Make easy to use menu's and upload all the dvd-r isos on the tracker.
I know this is a huge project but it would be well worth it in the end. If someone is willing to do this that is.
IF anyone knows how many hours all of the current TAS's equal please let us know.
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I've had the idea for a long time already to try and make a DVD with scene selection and other special vids for the Super Mario 64 120 star run. No promisses though, i'm just gonna try, doesn't mean i'll succeed...
I've had the idea for a long time already to try and make a DVD with scene selection and other special vids for the Super Mario 64 120 star run. No promisses though, i'm just gonna try, doesn't mean i'll succeed...
Alright, thank you, can you give us the details on how you are going to do this so we know what you are up too?
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Do you mean the tools i'm gonna use to make it? i'll look for it after i'm done with making the run...
If you mean what features will it have, i'm planning something like this:
Menu with options to play the whole movie, or from any of the 7 stars on each course (maybe some more, like the vanish or wing cap stars and princess slide). Also it would have some explanation of what is a TAS and what is the content of the DVD (the mario 64 TAS). And then i'd put some bonus vids showing unused tricks (that i'd have to record), and maybe, if there was still enough free space, some mario 64 speedruns with permission from their respective owners.
No, thats not what I really wanted I just wanted all of the TAS videos of all on dvd-r isos, but you can do that anyways because I want to see the super mario 64 thing too. Anyways good luck to you. But I would suggest TMPGEnc any version software or mencoder. Mencoder I don't know how to use.
Realize that only 3 hours of video can go on a disc in dvd quality, meaning that you'll need a LOT of DVDs (and that's a hefty 4.7gb each) for every single video on the site.
FODA, that's a really good idea, and I'd love to see it.
Something similar for the finished OoT run would be nice too. Anyone up for it? It could be split up so that there's a separate chapter for each dungeon.
I'd like to see each run in its best possible quality, since DVD-RW's are cheap these days. Especially for the long speedruns. The short ones could be combined all on one disk, as HG said.
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If you like I can easily create DVD-R isos from the current AVIs with very simple menus. The only problem with this idea is that it requires huges quantitys of DVDs. For Example, I was able to put only Mega Man 1-5 TASes to one DVD. Another slight problem (which is mainly because the large number of required DVDs) is that it takes many hours to make one image (approx. 2-3h).
For FODA, I'd really like one of those Mario 64 DVDs. That would definitely go to my collections - or rather start me collecting DVDs since i have only few now ;D.
Do you mean the tools i'm gonna use to make it? i'll look for it after i'm done with making the run...
If you mean what features will it have, i'm planning something like this:
Menu with options to play the whole movie, or from any of the 7 stars on each course (maybe some more, like the vanish or wing cap stars and princess slide). Also it would have some explanation of what is a TAS and what is the content of the DVD (the mario 64 TAS). And then i'd put some bonus vids showing unused tricks (that i'd have to record), and maybe, if there was still enough free space, some mario 64 speedruns with permission from their respective owners.
I think this is a great idea. I'm not as sure it would work with other less popular games, or DVDs with lots of different TASes, but it's sounds pretty awesome for Mario64, and I guess Ocarina of Time would qualify for something like this too.
I would definitely buy that DVD if it had some of the extra features (unused tricks and stuff). I'm a big fan of extra features on DVDs :)
Cross-posted from IRC:
[16:32:52] <JXQ> I think any longer movie that works well when split into segments and that has "extras" potential would work good on a DVD
Good examples:
Super Mario 64 (probably not 16-star though)
Super Mario/Demo World
Zelda, Link to the Past
Zelda, Ocarina of Time
Final Fantasy 6
Earthbound
Chrono Trigger (RPGs would greatly benefit from director's commentary / explanation of strategies)
I'm sure there are many other candidates.
However, personally, I think putting even more work on the encoders is not a good idea. They already do so much. (I know, I gave encoding a decent try and got my ass handed to me)
<Swordless> Go hug a tree, you vegetarian (I bet you really are one)
Cross-posted from IRC:
[16:32:52] <JXQ> I think any longer movie that works well when split into segments and that has "extras" potential would work good on a DVD
Good examples:
Super Mario 64 (probably not 16-star though)
Super Mario/Demo World
Zelda, Link to the Past
Zelda, Ocarina of Time
Final Fantasy 6
Earthbound
Chrono Trigger (RPGs would greatly benefit from director's commentary / explanation of strategies)
I'm sure there are many other candidates.
However, personally, I think putting even more work on the encoders is not a good idea. They already do so much. (I know, I gave encoding a decent try and got my ass handed to me)
I agree with all this, especially about not putting more pressure on the encoders. For this reason, I think only very popular games would be a good idea to do something like this with at the present time. Like Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time. Possibly Super Mario World I guess, but Super Demo World would be a better choice I think, and that game isn't popular, so I don't know.
Looking forward to the Mario 64 in any event FODA, hope it works out.
well, I was thinking of vcd quality. I have put a movie on a vcd before and it looks good( think it was super mario bros 3) .Tmpenc is very good at making nice mpeg quality. Maybe it would be possible to put 6 hours on a dvd. Make some videos mpeg2 maybe, is it possible to mix and match? Cause I think some videos like nes videos only need to be in mpeg1 quality. DVD R's are really getting cheap too.
Here's how one can split up the OoT run:
Chapter 1: Introduction
Chapter 2: Pre-Deku Tree stuff - Link's house to entering Deku Tree
Chapter 3: Deku Tree - enter Deku Tree to exiting blue portal
Chapter 4: Kokiri's Emerald and Fairy Ocarina cutscenes
Chapter 5: Hyrule Field, Cucco boost
Chapter 6: Enter Haunted Wasteland to entering Spirit
Chapter 7: Learn Requiem + long Silver Gauntlets dialogue
Chapter 8: Spirit - Begin at crawlspace
Chapter 9: Start segment 2
etc.
As you can see, I try to put the unavoidable cutscenes/dialogues at the ends of each chapter so that they could be skipped over easily.
If anyone is actually up for doing this, I can easily come up with the rest.
SM64 can be split up into 99 chapters rather easily.
Let's say you want a chapter for each star. That's 120 chapters.
However, the 100 coin stars are always collected with another star, so that eliminates 15 chapters, bringing the total down to 105.
Next, take the three stars from Toads around the castle, and combine each with the nearest star. That gets rid of three more chapters, bringing the total down to 102.
Combine each of the two stars from MIPS with the nearest star, and you'll have 100.
Now, merge the two Secret Slide stars into one chapter, and you've got yourself 99.
Of course, each Bowser battle and switch palace will be included with the corresponding red coin stars.
The introduction can be included with the first star (Secret Aquarium), while the ending can be included with the last star (red coins in Bowser 3).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD#DVD-Video
And ps: It is neither the filesize nor not the visual quality that distinguishes codecs apart. It is the quality/size ratio.
You can accomplish nearly perfect visual quality with mpeg1, mpeg2, xvid, x264, ... any of them, if you use high bitrate enough.
And similarly, you can get small files with any of them, if you use a low bitrate.
The difference is in what quality you get with a given bitrate.
A car can travel 1 km. A pedestrian can travel 1 km.
A car can travel for an hour. A pedestrian can travel for an hour.
The difference is neither the distance they can go, nor the time they can keep up with it, but the ratio of those (distance per time, i.e. speed).
Similarly, the main difference between codecs lies is the ratio of quality/size, not in the available qualities nor in the available sizes.
I've been getting the feeling that you don't understand this core fact yet.
For example, yesterday you said "unless the bitrate is up'd, then you might as well use xvid". This is not true. If we used xvid with the same bitrate, the quality would be a lot worse. Yes, you can accomplish good quality with xvid by using a high bitrate, but same goes for every codec. The difference is in _how_ big bitrate you need in order to accomplish that desired quality.
Similarly, the difference in mpeg1 and mpeg2 is not in _what_ qualities you can accomplish with them, but in how high bitrate you need to get the same result. (And also, the format is different, which is why you can't interchange them in DVD.)
According to this you can have mpeg1 and mpeg2 videos files both on one dvd is this true?
Could you do this project for us?
Most Nes Videos = mpeg
Some Snes videos = mpeg2
All 64 Videos = mpeg2
