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Posted: 4/26/2007 9:46 PM
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Acryte
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nope, that is a different one, we need the event item one that we can put on our C-buttons. The one you can just buy is the "Goron Knife" unfortunately and is listed in your equipment. The other one is broken when you receive it and is in the Adult Event Items section of the menu.
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Posted: 4/26/2007 9:22 PM
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Route Changes: Need to replace Hoverboots w/ Epona Early and then figure out our Dodongo's entrace issue... Child: 1. Get Sword + Shield 2. Beat Deku Tree + Grab Slingshot 3. Grab Super Cucco bottle (you can't do this if you don't wake Talon huh? if that is the case do Kakariko Bottle... the time difference is probably less than making a pointless trip to hyrule castle, especially if we are on our way to Dodongo's Cavern) 4.[VOID] Early Spirit (Bombchus) -> we must weigh the difference and time saved... we don't need requiem anymore... we may profit from beating dodongo's normally and not even going to spirit at all... then we could just do dodongo's normally (and lose time) but still have bombbag upgrade from the bowling to use for jabu jabu and in order to skip King Ruto and keep the Letter in the Bottle. We would have some for when we do in fact to go Gerudo Valley to get the Odd Mushroom (if that is indeed faster...) If you need more bombs eventually I'd suggest Jumping down and getting a full LonLon Milk in your bottle from that cow. That way after you use up almost all your Bombs doing BombHover to the Odd Mushroom, you can refill them if need be later off Reverse BA... Question is, how many bombs do we even need? Unfortunately we still can't skip hoverboots because of the broken bridge... so... we still have to do shadow... But the hell with hookshot :) 4. Dodongo's Cavern 5. Bombchu Bowling (Bombbag) 6. Gerudo Valley (Odd Mushroom) 7. Gerudo Valley River -> Hylia (Get Caught) 8. Gold Scale + Letter in Bottle 9. Hylia -> Zora's Domain 10. Jabu Jabu (Jumpslash to Enter) [Get a Fish in Bottle] 11. Beat Jabu Jabu 12. Din's Fire (unless it takes less time as step 2 in Adult section using bombhover, we should get this... also we will have few bombs so unless we get full lon lon milk in a bottle to use, we can't replenish them so easily and it will cost time, however, we don't really need bombs for anything else so... it just depends how much we have currently after doin early Odd Mushroom) 13. Grab OoT and pull Master Sword Adult: 1. Go to Kakariko Village + Get Odd Potion 2. Go to Shadow using bombhover (will use 4 bombs) and grab Hoverboots + before entering, grab a bug(this is a better option than waiting till after Poachers saw and learning Nocturne because you can't kill that creature to get the boots w/out a sword, so it is better to do it before Bottle Adventure, because then you would have to reequip sword, kill it, and then do BA AGAIN after warping to Lake Hylia before heading to Gerudo Valley) 3a. Graveyard -> Death Mountain Trail -> Goron City -> Lost woods -> Get Poachers Saw (Option A) 3b. Graveyard -> Hyrule field -> Superslide to Kokiri Forest -> Lost woods -> Get Poachers Saw (Option B ... Probably slower) 4. Superslide to Hylia + Steal Rod and get Bottle on B (Hoverboots will also save time since we don't have to run to the rock to do the Steal the Rod trick) 5. Use Reverse BA to get Warp Songs (Prelude + Lullaby + Serenade + Nocturne) 6. Superslide to Gerudo Valley 7. Hover Superslide across the Broken Bridge + Get Broken Goron Sword 8. Use Reverse BA to get Forest, Spirit, Shadow Medallions (if bug is used you also get the Water Medallion too) 9. Use Nocturne of Shadow to warp to Graveyard + Go to Magic Fairy Fountain 10. Warp to ToT using Prelude + Get Light Arrows 11. Use Reverse BA to update 25 Arrows into the arrow quantity. (Note that you get 1 shot and then since you have no bow or quiver, then it will 0 the value. This step can be done whenever) 12. See Rainbow Bridge Cutscene and go to Ganondorf 13. Equip MS 14. Kill Ganon _________________________________ Instructions for Reverse BA: [Key: C=Child A=Adult] A.5 -> B[Bug], C-Right[Poacher's Saw]. Fish is fine too but you won't learn Nocturne so you have to grab a bug sometime before trading poacher's saw or else you lose Prelude of light by using empty bottle to learn it. A.8 -> B[Bug], C-Right[Broken Goron's Sword]. If the Bug is used instead of a Fish then you also get the Water Medallion too (Not like it matters). A.11 -> B[Bug],C-Right[Bottled Letter]. If the Bug is used instead of a Fish then you get 29 arrows updated instead of 25 w/ the Fish (not like it matters since you only get 1 shot) Description: Bottle Adventure is about using the items on C-right to get things onto the B button by traveling forwards and backwards in time. Reverse Bottle Adventure is about using the Bottle on B w/ different things you can catch to update things into your inventory that are determined by both the item on C-right (which determines the type) and the item on B (which determined the quantity of the adjusted amount, or the specific things that are altered in the menu). Steps: Put the required item on C-right, then Catch the specified object in the Bottle that is on B (or empty it and catch it), in order to update your inventory appropriately. NOTES: HAHAHA I used it to unequip and delete my Kokiri Tunic.... I want to see a like like eat me after I equip another tunic and see what happens...
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Posted: 4/26/2007 8:01 PM
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Yea, I'm not sure how beneficial it is to start early since we need poachers saw and other adult event items for BA... we save a bombchu not going to zelda and if we don't use the letter in the bottle then we can jumpslash into jabu like usual. Damn, shame the only item that gives you both goron ruby and zora's sapphire is just for Adult link to equip. Anyways, if we grab odd mushroom in gerudo fortress, then we can skip having to wait for certain times of the day, etc. plus it comes later in the sequence and depending on how long it takes to get, it may be beneficial to do so. Only thing is, if we dont have bombs yet then does it save time? Because we have to run back there after the deathwarp and go to gerudo and get it. I'd say we complete dodongo's w/ chus and then go there again. After that we can jump the river (get caught) and take it to hylia. Now, would it be faster to run there and grab gold scale and while we are there, steal the rod? Then we can dive and grab the letter in a bottle, and go to jabu jabu through the warp. If we find a fairy (like in the elevator in jabu, I think is the closest... though we could get the 1 in dodongo's up by the pushable block, but I don't think we will need it that early, and it is a little further out of the way), then we can equip the bottled fairy to C-right and then catch the fish out of Bottle B and score ourselves 25 deku sticks. Here is the only problem, and why we should probably delay BA until we become an adult (unless it saves time as a kid, though other than deku sticks I'm not seeing how it does)... we don't get to keep the bottle on B as an adult... whoever figures out the proper combo to do so, I will personally give them a cookie. So we have to go back to hylia and do it again. It's also a shame that the only items that give us serenade of water using reverse BA are Adult items. I tried all of the child event items, etc. They don't have an effect. we should still have a fish in the other bottle though so good times w/ that. We just take the odd mushroom to the hag in kakariko, then take the zora's river warp to lost woods get poachers saw by trading the potion. Then we can either warp to zora's river and then from zoras domain we can warp to hylia and then grab Bottle B and then head to gerudo valley or we can just deathwarp to TOT and then run to hylia, and get Bottle B and go to gerudo. Trade saw for goron sword. Use that w/ reverse BA and warp to Shadow w/ nocturne and run up go get magic. run and grab magic from up top and then warp to TOT and go to ganon. our other alternative is to try and squeeze BA in earlier so that we can get magic along the way and jump down to enter Goron City and take that to lost woods to deliver the potion... plus we then save more time too by having serenade of water at that point instead of taking warp to zora river -> zora;s domain -> lakehylia. But... we lose time getting to lake hylia in the first place because it is more out of the way... Overall the route sounds pretty concrete aside from 2 different variations that need to be tested or at least considered so that we choose the fastest path... 1) Early odd mushroom (I'm pretty sure we save time on this one), though it means an extra trip to gerudo valley as a kid w/ bombchus. 2) Early Magic (once we become an adult)... since we need reverse BA before goron sword so we can learn warp songs off the Poachers Saw... this is the earliest we can learn songs, and "early Magic" means we already would have BA when we grabbed the saw in lost woods and could then go to grab magic, then warp to hylia w/ serenade, and then run to gerudo, then warp to TOT (which sounds pretty good...) This means after we grabbed the odd potion we would probably just take superslide to hylia and grab BA then Hylia -> Zoras domain -> Zora's river -> Lost woods -> get saw -> lost woods -> goron city (if this is faster than nocturne to graveyard to magic) -> magic -> serenade of water -> gerudo valley -> broken goron sword -> prelude to TOT. also, we can technically beat forest and then use BA to get poachers saw and go trade that for broken goron sword, but I think that is much slower. Since we learn minuet, beat the temple, have to get hookshot or use lots of chus for the bombhover (which probably means getting a bottled poe from the graveyard). Those are our 2 route options we can take... Damn.... catching a bug in the bottle w/ that damn odd potion gives you all 3 stones, and the song of time... I kid you not... shame it is an adult item... damn.
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Posted: 4/26/2007 10:59 AM
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heh, yea.... so basically, now we have yet another set of tasks to do if we want to do this in a timely fashion... we need to get that damn sword as quick as possible... BECAUSE... using standard BA w/ 50 deku nuts gives poachers saw on B... but that requires beating forest temple... so basically it is a matter of how we can sort through bottle adventure, Reverse bottle adventure, and event items to get to the broken goron sword as early as possible. Also note that odd mushroom can be aqcuired as a child in gerudo desert... Is skipping to the odd mushroom in this way faster? I have 1 last idea to try and break the game... let me see how it all works out (I don't think this one will work though). (didnt work) Now, is it worth it to get poachers saw w/out beating forest? My guess is yes. Im thinking we go grab poachers saw manually, and then once we get it, we do the BA and use reverse bottle adventure to gain warp songs and lullaby (skipping Zelda in the process). Then we run to Gerudo and grab broken gorons sword. Use reverse Bottle adventure to grab the medallions; warp to shadow (aka graveyard) and grab a poe on the way up to Death Mountain crater for magic. go grab magic and warp w/ prelude back to ToT (see light arrow cutscene). Equip light arrows, then put letter in bottle on c-right and empty and catch the fish to fill the quiver... Then go to ganondorf. You get 1 shot before you have to empty and catch the fish again to replenish it, but you only need 1 so... reequip the mastersword and you can use it go go through the iron knuckle fights, etc quicker. Than kill light arrow ganon and call it good. also, im pretty sure skipping hoverboots and basically all of forest spirit and shadow but having to view the bridge and the light arrow cutscenes is faster than all the other alternatives... Oh, and sorry guano.
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Posted: 4/26/2007 8:56 AM
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I almost completely understand reverse bottle adventure now ( I think I do completely understand it, though I hope there are a few more ways to manipulate it that I have yet to find out...). Check this out: (Infinite bombchus!!!!) 1) Get bottle B 2) Get another bottle (you can use Reverse BA to do this if you know how) 3) Catch a poe and put it on C-right. 4) Empty the bottle on B and then catch the fish again. You will have 25 bombchus. 5) Everytime you empty out the fish and then catch it you have another 25 bombchus to work with. ======= WE CAN NOW SKIP TALKING TO ZELDA ENTIRELY, however... it depends on how fast you can get a poachers saw... :( not very fast most likely. Poachers song gives you this: (Note that temporarily having something like minuet could skip cutscene, while also having a poe on hand means having infinite chus) Empty Bottle:Zelda's Lullaby, Nocturne of shadow Bottled Fish:Zelda's Lullaby, Serenade Of Water, Prelude of Light Fairy:Lullaby + Prelude Blue fire: Lullaby, Nocturne, Prelude BUGS (DAMN): Lullaby, Serenade of water, Nocturne, Prelude. (also for infinite bombchus it gives 29) BROKEN GORON SWORD IS THE KEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BROKEN GORON SWORD IS THE KEY!!!!!!!!! if you equip a fish to Bottle B then.......... Oh man......reverse bottle adventure for the win. It gives you... Forest Medallion Shadow Medallion Spirit Medallion I am not joking you. That means Adult -> broken Goron sword -> Bottle B -> fish + medallions -> Light arrows (Cutscene)+ (if we have bottled poe we can get infinite bombchus too)-> EASY GANON'S CASTLE EARLY. (also grab bow and magic whenever best) I have one last an idea too... Okay so here is the idea and so far it is looking GOOOOOOOOD. basically put the bottled letter on C-right. Then catch a fish and you will get 25 arrows. Since you don't have a quiver, you will get 1 shot, then it will go to 0. :) now, I just need to see if I can go and equip light arrows and be able to get 1 shot. (Note, once you take the broken goron sword off C-right, you still keep all the medallions even after B is updated again) I DID IT. I FUCKING DID IT. REVERSE BOTTLE ADVENTURE! okay, so basically use broken goron sword to get medallions, then grab Light arrows, then put letter in bottle on c-right and equip light arrows (W/OUT A BOW OR QUIVER!) and then drop the fish from bottle B and catch it, you get 25 arrows AKA 1 shot, then it zeros it and you have to drop and catch again to replenish it. HAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHQHAHHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!! _____________________________ Damn... if Odd potion was a kid item that we could equip to C-right or if we could equip the one in gerudo valley to C-right, then we could use it to get both spiritual stones as a kid and go straight to the TOT. pocket egg gives quiver 30. ___________ for the sake of knowing, Cojiro (w/ fish) gives bombbag (40) and quiver :)
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Posted: 4/25/2007 7:54 PM
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Yeah don't worry about BA early because right now it isn't showing promise... Mainly because I can't figure out how to manipulate what shows up in the menus. I mean... I change values and do things but it is still always the hoverboots in the menu and none of the other menu items change really... so unless we found out how it is getting hoverboots written into the deku seed bag slot we won't really be able to use it to an advntage I don't believe. But who knows. I tried reverse BA to get bottles in places I didnt even have items and then tried it but stilll nothing. If someone could go test out getting hoverboots and then doing it to see if we get something other than hoverboots, that would be good. Im just started testing again. Im gonna see if I can get quiver to appear on that slot (that would be huge). Then maybe I can see if we can get bow to appear using reverse BA and maybe manipulation of a minigame or something idk. Hmm... how the hell did the save file he gave me have slingshot but no seed bag? I can't remember ever doing that, and I'm sure that's the reason why the hoverboots start on that spot too. Not because the bottle is on B. I can't find that original save or I'd test it but hte link is expired :( If someone can try this out it'd be much appreciated. YEP. Im right, the only reason we get hoverboots in that place is because we didn't have the seed bag and yet, we had the slingshot... then went forward in time. This is interesing though... if only we could use Reverse BA to get items and then find a way to make them transfer back to their original state instead of being bottles then we could get a slingshot, etc w/out having the bag. The same goes for bombs and the required bombbag, etc... if we could find a use for this but in a different place in the inventory that would be awesome. I wonder if having hover there and going back and forwards in time AGAIN affects it AGAIN, or if getting the Deku Seed Bag just overwrites it, or in fact places it somewhere else in the menu kinda like the equippable bombbag that counts as eyedrops. Mainly though, Im wondering how I have a mupen file that is cheated, or how I have the slingshot but no seed bag, and yet, when I went to the deku tree, the chest for it is opened already... aka, there is no need to cheat for it... so unless he also accidently found a way to erase the bombbag and keep the slingshot, I am completely confused. Especially since the trick at the pond works perfectly w/out cheats. It would seem as if this was the case (Important ways to glitch things): 1) Get an upgrade for an item before you have collected the item, it will screw up where to place the bag. 2) Get an item w/out the required other item to use it (capacity limiter) and then go forwards in time, and it will screw up what should be in that limiter's place 3) Get an item on B that corresponds to a specific item on C-right (that link properly) to make bits roll over into the wrong addresses. (We should study this further) 4) Get an item on B and its linking item on C-right, and when you update the item on it will update another item in the inventory to match (can check that table of values to see what will be changed). Due to linking restrictions so far we can only get bottles to be made on these inventory places. Here is something to test... If you skip slingshot and then do reverse BA to get a bottle on the slingshot place in the inventory, and then you grab the slingshot bag upgrade, and grab some seeds, will you revert the bottle into a slingshot? Because I remember that if you grabbed seeds after doing 21 bottles trick (the non BA way), that if you collected seeds, or if you collected deku nuts, or whatever else, it would revert the item that was changed BACK into its original item. If this did work, we'd have to try it out for the bow.
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Posted: 4/2/2007 5:50 AM
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Well, I haven't got those arrows on B yet... BUT I HAVE NOTICED SOMETHING. I ended up getting Hoverboots on the spot where the deku bullet bag goes lol... I'm gonna experiment w/ all this stuff.......
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Posted: 3/29/2007 5:18 AM
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Damn this is overdue. Very nice glitch... Hahaha, funny thing is that someone said you could do it off the rocks about a year and a half ago but noone believed it. Me and fierce tried it but we couldn't pull it off... I spent like 4 hours trying to do it too.
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Posted: 2/23/2007 11:12 AM
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As for the way up the mountain, that is easy as hell... just walk up the seam (it is a very easy one). Then just backflip (or sidehop since it's faster, if you can still land on the seam w/out falling off, though a backflip would make backrunning on the seam a possibility. Get all the way down to the end, and then do the rest... Uploading a vid of the 1st part... Oh, so you know, mupen is highly homosexual and you are gonna have a harder time than usual getting the bomb boosted hover. MAKE SURE you have a great angle and you don't have to TURN sharply (aka get everything out of your momentum) because Mupen is retarded and if you are out over the void part you can freeze it w/ a bombchu shield drop just like in forest... It still is possible I'm sure, its just you can't aim for the farthest left corner, but slightly to the right instead... it is a fraction higher so it may be alot harder unless you get great distance already. Huh.. that is a load of bs... in mupen... you can hover over void and shield drop a bombchu... just not while backflipping... lol.
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Posted: 2/20/2007 9:35 AM
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I never use a bomb for swordglitch on Ganondorf or Phantom Ganon. Do the jumpslash, then crouchstab and hit Z-target and C-up.
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Posted: 2/20/2007 1:24 AM
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Actually when it comes to ganon and phantom ganon I use sword glitch all the time. And no, I have not managed to do it in 1 cycle ever...
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Posted: 2/12/2007 9:22 AM
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Guano, why did you stand there w/ the bombchu? Backflip and shield drop it... or find some way to set it w/ the backflip shiel drop and stab it off the side of the chest or something. Never wait for a bombchu to blow up.
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Posted: 2/8/2007 8:12 PM
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Guano - yea, you don't need NL. It is hard as hell though. I mean, if you can do a backflip, it makes it 1000x easier to do a superslide, but you can't because there isn't enough room. Just go as far forward as you can... till you will go into the door if you go anymore forward. Then after that, PLACE the bomb; don't shield drop it. And if will be farther in. Then run back, and then time that roll. Once you get into the slide (and have started moving a tiny bit, switch to the hoverboots. If you have hoverboots on initially, you won't have enough speed to get to the boss door. Also, slide parallel to the ground if you know what I mean. Then when you switch to hoverboots, hold right on the joystick so that you curve to the left and into the boss warp.
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Posted: 2/7/2007 9:43 PM
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Very nice trick guano, also... yeah, they only drop magic jars. There are 3 patches of bushes right outside the entrance to hyrule field, but it is a little out of the way. MWL - no, bombs can be used for horizontal distance... quite a bit really, but only if you are descending. AKA, yeah too bad we don't have gold scale huh. Does your bottle have anything in it? Doesn't it have a fish? Can you bottle dive and then go to zora's domain and use the hookshot ladder trick to get to the hylia warp? would it even be faster? You'd need to grab another bug or fish or something though.
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Posted: 2/7/2007 8:21 AM
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only if you find a quick way to fall into the void... then you can fight the 1st set, fall in the void, fight the second set, and grab the bow. Deathwarp won't work, that will warp to entrance. But void respawn will do it... but we don't have much to work w/ and bombhover is slow. But yeah it wouldn't save much time anyways. But if you did do it, I would grab the key after killing the 1st stalfos set and skip the one in the 1st room.
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Posted: 2/7/2007 8:09 AM
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if you can find a way to fall in the void... do it the way I said above, then fall in the void and you can respawn back in the room up top and fight the 2nd set of stalfos.
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Posted: 2/7/2007 7:53 AM
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Just making sure, but we are grabbing the key in the 1st room (using hookshot) and then the key in the floormaster room that is next to the block maze room after the megajump right?
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Posted: 2/6/2007 6:49 AM
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No worries, I'll make vids (uploading all vids now). Part 1 Part 2 (Yes, you can use less bombchus and swap to the regular boots... I didn't because I wanted to do it easy) Part 3
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Posted: 2/5/2007 10:02 PM
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No the opposite side will not work because it requires travelling underneath that passageway, or over the top of the entire thing because the place you need to go to is in the north part of the room and that unfortunately is in the wrong direction. You can go on the lip of the other one too by that other door, but that means you need to bombhover over the door anyways, AND do an extra trick in order to get to the pillar as well. I'll make a mupen vid of how to do this if it's needed... (cool my edits are minor by default now) It seems mupen crashes when you lean right over the pit lol... even a few pixels is too much. Use staircase bombhover but w/ 1 bomb and 1 bombchu (is faster) and then get up over the door. Cool I have done it all successfully in mupen. I have to go to work. be back in 8 hours to make vids, later.
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Posted: 2/5/2007 9:20 PM
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AKA wrote:
I've got a better idea, wouldn't it be better to use the acute angle glitch and then use a hoverboost in order to reach the position that Acryte show in one of his screenshots where Link superslides from, that way you could get the boss room in only 2 bombs with no bombchu's required.
AKA - I wish. The thing is that to the left of where that spot is, is an untextured room. If you try to go around the side then you will get stuck in it and have to exit through the door and into the main room. This means you can either go OVER the whole top of that room and drop down (slow and consumes lots of bombs) or underneath it (we already saw mupen doesn't like that... though it is probably equally fast as the current method, if not a little slower). Also, you can't walk in between the block and the door. AND if you make the block disappear, you still cannot walk inbetween the doorway and the next room (bypassing the bombhover). Trust me, I tried eveything. MWL - just an idea, but have you tried killing the stalfos for the key, and then exiting and entering again, and then hovering up top? Guano - use a bombboosted hover then, I didn't do it because I didn't have slowdown and I kept screwing it up. Yea, looks like the sidehop can't be made in 1 bomb, so it is faster to do the bombhover. Its also not too hard, I just did it fullspeed so. Just do that. (oops forgot minor edit again sorry lol) Just jumpslash and hit the corner. Also, it is faster since you don't have to pause again to equip the hoverboots. [AKA, is this what you were talking about?] So is "song of time -> megajump -> block maze ->bow ->boss skip" the fastest route?
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Posted: 2/5/2007 12:50 PM
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Ya I get that now. Previously I never knew it existed. I also don't use IRC, so when it was mentioned to me I didn't know why it mattered other than someone maybe not knowing what new stuff was added or something, or if they were seeing something that I wasn't. Which was exactly what happened, thanks. Notice Bisqwit mentioned why to use it, xkeeper did not.
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Posted: 2/5/2007 12:38 PM
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Sorry, but that is what I do, I constantly edit my posts, both grammatically and informationally. Just look at my latest post and if you see an appendage to the bottom of it that you have not seen before, then it is updated. If I feel a post is done or too far back then I make a new one. Also, I don't have that option at the bottom of my list. It also doesn't say "EDIT:" or anything 11 times on my screen... does it say that on yours?
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Posted: 2/5/2007 9:05 AM
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I have a better faster idea... it may work... I'll tell you in a bit... SWEET IT WORKS. Okay, I'll tell you what you have to do, though the second part I didn't do w/out levitating because I have no slow down but I'm sure you can do it... this method requires 2 bombs and 5 bombchus (give or take maybe 1 bombchu). That is all. Ill take screenshots. Yep its all possible... Note, in a TAS I'd expect to get to the 2nd location, to probably throw a bomb and then sidehop at the perfect angle into it and shield it. then sidehop to the spot you need to be in. Probably would take 1 bomb to cross it optimally. Get in the pillar and then activate sword glitch. You want an angle like this. One that will go into that little corner behind the wall over by the block. To get there I'd throw 1 bomb and then sidehop at the correct angle into it. Then sidehop from there to the corner. You may have to use 1 extra sidhop w/ a bombchu or something, I'm not sure (I skipped this part). This is where you want to be. Note that to the left is a invisible room. DON'T GO TOO FAR LEFT. You will get caught in it... though you do have working room though. No worries. Also, DON'T GO TOO FAR RIGHT or else you will pass into the main room. And DON'T PASS THROUGH THE DOORWAY or you will now be in the door and also in the unloaded room that is to the left. Get here and go all the way forward and all the way sideways. Put on hoverboots and then get 5 bombchu hovers high, while drifting as little backwards as you can prefferably. (You need to get higher that that door frame before you pass the side of that door frame or you will get caught in it. Tip: Lean sideways, then do the backflip and you should stick in the air without needing staircase or anything. Just don't lean to the left again or you will fall to the ground lol. You should be here now. Note that you are above the door. Take off your hoverboots. Now backflip. You should land here or so. Note I have not fallen in the void or anything. if you went parallel then you are fine. Note that you were probably over the door at 4 bombchus but you need enough height for the backflip to completely clear it so that you aren't trapped in the unloaded room. Here is a side view of where you are now. Man, Its ALOT easier. AFTER THAT, DO A HOVER SUPERSLIDE INTO THE WARP. You can just hold down R and if you aimed it right then you will make it. And NO, Nayru's Love is not needed anymore. Also this uses fairly little bombs and bombchus as well as taking very little time.
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Posted: 2/5/2007 6:16 AM
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Acryte
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Question, how many bombchus do you have? And how many do you need? Because if you use those in Minuet skip and use bombs in early boss then you can do both quickly, but then again how much time is lost on iron knuckles w/ no sword then... Lol, you mean wait on a mupen vid? Using bombs? hmm... I don't know if I have the time currently, my next day off is on tuesday, which I also don't have school on either... though I will have homework. Also, I really have no idea how to use savestates in mupen when recording or whatever, so I'd have to do it in 1 try, which is easier said than done (w/out a map I mean)... Also, depending on the # of bombs it takes, we also have the option of goin vertically over the wall in the main room. Then we could use bombs and bombchus, but it's only faster if it uses less and takes less time (note the bombchus take much less time). OR, I have another idea that would be insanely cool. Too bad I can't really think of a non hover way to do it. But here is what I mean... If you can get into this wall, then you can just use hoverboots and run over to the boss load. NEW STRATEGY - How bout this, we grab bow, then hover from the bow room into the load by goin up over the wall. Ineed, I have found the load point from the bow room is very close indeed. If you can scale the wall w/ bombhover, or just glitch through the wall, then we are good. I also have 1 more idea as well... I'll test it out, because it will most likely work...
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Posted: 2/4/2007 9:53 PM
(Edited: 2/4/2007 10:12 PM)
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Acryte
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yes Well... mine only freezes from bombchus... ill try it w/ bombs... maybe it is when it hits shield lower down... and it hates both. Guano - BOMBS WORK FINE. The point in which it decides to suck is directly under the part w/ the blue block and door, etc. That extension of space and what is underneath it. That is where it crashes. I'm not sure if it doesn't do it directly beyond that spot, which would be nice... but this trick can be done either way by using hoverboot backflips and bombdrops. Make sure you drop the bomb early so that it falls a bit and you travel a good deal and fall into the explosion... that way you extend your distance. I'll be at work for the next... 8 hours or so, but when I get back I can help if you still haven't figured it all out. Just make sure you get good extension off the bombs. But don't fall too far either or you may not have enough horizontal coverage vs vertical coverage and would have to go back a little bit and make adjustments.
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