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Posted: 12/21/2016 3:41 AM
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OK. Tweaked and re-submitted. http://tasvideos.org/5333S.html
Posted: 12/19/2016 4:50 PM
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So I've already found a few differences in playing around with both the Japanese and US versions that something is not equal between the versions. The Japanese version has an added password system. You have to press a button to clear the stage titles in the Japanese version. In the first tower, it is possible to get by the 1st molecule enemy via the elevator on the Japanese version, but not on the US version using equal input (thus resulting in a longer wait and ultimately longer video. As I stated earlier, I wonder if the hitbox is different allowing for this or if it is just minor programming differences affecting spawn timing. All that said, I'm still going to re-work my original using the other routing and re-submit.
Posted: 12/19/2016 4:04 PM
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There doesn't appear to be much difference between the US and the Japanese version (other than the playable character appearance). Would the sprite difference affect hitbox? I'm not tech savy enough to know how to figure that out. Given that the other video is faster (it appears that he has a couple faster routes than mine), I'll withdraw this submission and tweak it and re-submit if I can improve it. Thanks for pointing out the other video. I did not come across that in my searches.
Posted: 11/23/2016 10:45 PM
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Hard to admit this about one's own submission; but based on the grand total of 1 vote, I'm guessing that its a rather unpopular game. It also makes me curious how many have even watched it to begin with. Though that's probably not the type of feedback you were looking for.
Posted: 11/23/2016 10:37 PM
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As noted by Feos in the rejection details for the non-warp version of this run, this submission may be better labeled as "Any %" instead of "warp glitches." As a relative newcomer to the site, I didn't fully realize the depth of memory/code manipulation necessary for something to be a "warp glitch." Anyway, I still think this is at minimum a vaultable run (if not moon worthy) for an "Any %" run. And with that consideration, it would be faster than the run rejected by Feos.
Posted: 11/23/2016 10:29 PM
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Feos, The rejection note makes sense to me. Thanks for the clarification/elaboration of what constitutes a warp glitch for the purposes of this website. It would have been nice to have understood this before making two different submissions (as it would have saved me a lot of time), but a good lesson learned nonetheless. I'll try to be better about choosing my goals and labeling submissions in the future. Thanks again!
Posted: 11/14/2016 10:53 PM
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I believe roughly 10 or 11 glitches are used to speed up movement in the overhead view stages in the glitched version; which saves a little under two and a half minutes by doing the glitches. I didn't go back and re-count them, so I might be off by one or two.
Posted: 11/4/2016 4:31 PM
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As best as I can figure out, the initial location of the bugs in the top-down levels is determined to some degree on the frame timing of which you leave the previous room. I did some manipulation of this to get favorable positions. However, with the few times I do the 'dance,' I could not find a worthwhile frame within a reasonable distance on the previous room before exiting that would yield an enemy setup that didn't require some delay. Those enemies have a combination of predetermined movements and chasing the player. So to simplify that explanation: As best as I could figure, the option became a trade-off between a delay before leaving a room, or a delay in the next room. I simply chose the later delay and spun Beetlejuice around in circles to have some character movement happening.
Posted: 11/3/2016 1:45 AM
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Hey guys, I am amazed that no one has yet submitted this game. I watched Randil's Youtube video. I think you should have submitted it way back when you guys were originally discussing this. Even with the subtle unoptimized things you pointed out, it was still entertaining. Unfortunately I could not get your .fm2 video to sync beyond getting into the first building (different emulator version?), so I couldn't really study your inputs very well. Anyway, your 5-10 seconds estimate was quite accurate based on my recent submission http://tasvideos.org/5280S.html ...at least as far as a straight play-through is concerned. While trying to beat your video, I discovered a glitch (or at least the beneficial use of a glitch) that allows for much faster completion of the top-view levels. I also submitted a run using those glitches: http://tasvideos.org/5279S.html Details on the glitch are given in the submission text. I hope you guys like these.
Posted: 10/30/2016 12:05 AM
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TheRealThingy wrote:
Frames 4252-4280: press A here. Frame 4281: press B here = 62 frames saved.
I checked into this. It also works on the set of stairs immediately following the ones you pointed out. However, while it does save frames in the short term, the battle with griffon bosses at the end of the stage took longer. Even with pixel matched positioning and input at the beginning of the battle, I could no longer achieve the double hit on the first griffon. This resulted in additional jump-attacks (more frames) being necessary to kill the griffons; essentially negating the frames saved earlier in the stage. I played around with the battle for a while and could never complete it in few enough frames to get benefit from changing the earlier inputs. If you are interested in trying to solve this yourself, the memory location for the griffon hit-counts are 0481 for the left griffon and 0482 for the right griffon. Hopefully following stages wouldn't need to be altered (or very minimally so) due to RNG changes. Thanks for pointing out the potential improvement anyway.
Posted: 10/24/2016 5:35 PM
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To anyone else who decides to read this: I understand that there may have been more optimized ways of doing this particular video. Please forgive my inexperience. Seeing that there are 100% 'No' votes at the moment, I don't really expect this video to get published; nor do I care if it does or not. It was a learning exercise for me. I'm trying to improve my skills, and making mistakes is part of that.
Posted: 10/24/2016 5:29 PM
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ais523 I fully understand your position and disappointment regarding this particular video of Battle Chess. However, I think you completely missed the point I was trying to make in my previous post. My comments on not requiring a TAS to go beyond developer intent were not meant for JUST this particular video, but as a general approach to all games. For example, this awesome run of The Simpsons (which qualified for Star tier) doesn't utilize any glitches or use the game engine beyond developer intent. http://tasvideos.org/1613M.html Even the very rapid bonus stages are still within the developer intent of finishing them as quickly as possible. The only argument you could make over developer intent was how often co-op attacks are used. Even that would be speculative of what the developers expected. I don't know if it was your intent or not, but I feel quite berated by your comments. While I normally appreciate constructive criticism and am encouraged to improve; your words are exactly the discouraging comments I was referring to when I said we should be cautious against alienating new players. I'm sorry if my work has somehow "offended" and "disheartened" you. I guess i'm just not as spectacular as yourself when it comes to TASing games and choosing goals. Then again, I find it interesting that you have so much of a problem with the goal choice of my video, when your own submission was rejected for goal choice (even if it was an attempt at an April Fools joke). If it wasn't obvious from my other posts, I'm new to this. I'm going to make mistakes, and I'm going to submit things that seem optimized to me but may be far from it due to my limited knowledge. If the fact that I'm new and an imperfect human is somehow offensive or disheartening to you, you're arrogant and have forgotten that you were new to this at one time as well.
Posted: 10/24/2016 1:27 AM
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On a slightly unrelated note: I personally would love to learn more about the technological side of coding, video games, and TASing. But I like to do things methodically, and I honestly have no idea where or how to begin.
Posted: 10/24/2016 1:27 AM
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I really respect the comments and philosophical questions raised by ais523. I also appreciate that he/she is willing to share his/her perspective. If this submission serves no purpose but to have drawn out these questions/comments/concerns about the deeper philosophical positions on TASing games, then I feel that it was a worthwhile submission regardless of the ultimate decision on the video. That said, I have a minor issue with your suggestion that TAS videos have to somehow exhibit or exploit things about a game that the developers didn't want or didn't expect. Some of us newer (and likely some older) players aren't as experienced with computers and/or programming as others in the community may be; yet we still have an interest in this hobby. As an example, I'm in healthcare and haven't deeply studied software and computers. I just enjoy video games and enjoy the challenge of TASing. It's essentially a puzzle to me. For those of us who don't understand the various intricacies of the technology or aren't versed in coding, simply completing a game as absolutely fast as we find possible using TAS techniques is exciting enough of an accomplishment even if nothing was attained outside of the developers' intents. Even if/when my TAS attempts are rejected by the community, I still feel a sense of accomplishment in something I approach as a hobby, because I've still done something I would never have been able to achieve while playing a game normally. I'm simply suggesting that, as a community, we guard against potentially alienating current or future members by requiring that submissions perform something beyond developers intent. Again I appreciate that ais523 shared his/her thoughts. It's communication than strengthens what we do. Just look at how many submissions have resulted from collaboration for proof.
Posted: 10/23/2016 2:27 AM
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Ferret Warlord wrote:
"All Battle Animations" sounds like a reference video on Youtube for anyone who's curious, not a category for a speedrun.
I can't disagree with that comment... I wasn't sure how to annotate it.
Posted: 10/22/2016 11:25 PM
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Link_7777 I've added you for edit privileges. I'll let you switch the video file. I like your RNG for archery too, and the idea about letting arrows fall with poor wind direction.
Posted: 10/15/2016 8:26 AM
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Before someone brings up the idea that Olympic Mode without the exhibition events is too incomplete to be considered for publication, I understand that perspective. However, this run is primarily a vault tier attempt as no videos from this game have been published. (To my knowledge, the only video even submitted for this game was my previous one; which I withdrew due to poor optimization. This video is over 1.5 minutes shorter than that one.) Others players may be considering a more entertaining run which would include those events omitted from this submission. I'll let those individuals claim it if they like. Discussion regarding this can be seen here... http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3985&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=25
Posted: 10/15/2016 8:15 AM
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Revamped submission... http://tasvideos.org/5257S.html Discussion http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18485
Posted: 10/15/2016 8:14 AM
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Complete and Submitted. Thank you all for your help and advice. http://tasvideos.org/5257S.html Discussion http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18485
Posted: 10/15/2016 4:42 AM
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Kung Knut, I think I've come to the conclusion that I'm going to be as entertaining as possible while still aiming strictly for vault on my current work. So it won't have the exhibition events after all. I'm just going to get to the end-game cut-scene ASAP. I've already spent quite a bit of time on this game, and I'm not sure if I want to trudge through it yet again. If you or Link_7777 are interested in completing a TAS in attempt for Moon tier, feel free to use any of my inputs that would benefit you. You could even mix and match your work with your favorite chunks of my earlier and current videos (once I submit it), tweaking where necessary to make it more entertaining. As it stands, my current work is slightly more entertaining than my previous just due to subtle RNG variations.
Posted: 10/14/2016 7:39 PM
Post subject: (hHopefully) Halfway there.
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Ok, So I've thus far re-completed the preliminary days. As I'm only going to qualify during the finals, they will hopefully only require minor tweaks to input. I looked at Link_777's wip after I had finished canoeing and my new attempt was already ahead by clay pigeon shooting. Here are my observations so far: Fencing Delaying game start at the title screen by 2 frames yielded a Chinese opponent that attacks. Triple Jump First Attempt: Qualify with minimal flight distance for first 2 jumps and 45 degree last jump Last two attempts: Foul for speed Swimming Freestyle and breaststroke mode are purely cosmetic resulting in the finish on the same frame. High Dive I couldn't get a perfect 10.0 from all four judges (RNG?) but still scored 10.0 per dive. Time isn't affected. Clay Pigeon Shooting Manipulating the launch of each clay by delaying 1-4 frames before the button press to launch resulted in most clays leaving from near the center. This allowed for less necessary movement of the targeting reticle as well as yielding less background movement necessary to re-center. This allowed for a quicker launch of the next clay after a given hit. Hitting all clays saves time over missing extra ones beyond a qualifying score. Hammer Throw Attempt one: A glitched throw is faster and farther than normal max throw. Other Attempts: A foul is faster than the glitch. Taekwondo Beneficial RNG (Finally!) causes the opponent to stand immediately after the first knockdown. The second comes in quick succession Pole Vault Attained minimal qualifying height, Then fouled asap on the following attempts. Canoeing First run - The fastest course (that qualifies for prelims) skips gates 4 , 7, and 15 and is about thirteen seconds faster than a max score run. Gate 4 is a backtrack; gates 7 and 15 are the loops. Second run - As straight through as possible to save time. Archery Achieved minimum score, then let arrows fall to save time. Hurdles Normal jumps as close to the beam as possible (to clear the water) and hops off the top of the beam are frame equal at the finish. Horizontal Bar I also believe the max score is 9.9. I finish as soon as possible given that the even is timed up to offering the "finish" option I have not yet added the exhibition events, and I have some questions. While eliminating them would get to the end credits faster, does the 'incompleteness' of the run disqualify it for publishing? If I do include the events for completeness (even considering this as a vault attempt), I could get the highest score possible without adding time to the gun shooting (which I believe is 39 points). As for hang gliding, I could either land as soon as available, or try for 255 points which I'm guessing would only be couple seconds difference. As a note, my current wip is 1144 frames faster than my original (crappy) submission just by the end of Day 1. Thoughts?
Posted: 10/13/2016 10:42 PM
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link_777 I basically restarted my run using my original as a baseline. Ill check your WIP when I get a chance. Just with what little I've reworked my own, it seems that the subtle changes have long lasting impacts on desyncs even using the same button combinations for a given event. I think this may be due to how the game polls for input. (for example: multiple frames of "up" presses are necessary to move the bar just one notch in pole vault). I've also decided that I'm only going to get the minimum necessary to qualify during the finals to save time, so not getting all gold medals if attaining one takes more time. I will also be adding in the exhibition events for completeness, as it has been suggested that the video would be incomplete without them.
Posted: 10/10/2016 4:59 PM
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I've found some new optimizations already and have withdrawn this submission. (I feel like an idiot having to do so this quickly.) I will take into consideration the comments in the video discussion for my updated submission. Major changes will include adding the exhibition events as some feel the TAS of Olympic mode is incomplete without them.
Posted: 10/10/2016 4:57 PM
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I've found some new optimizations already and have withdrawn this submission. (I feel like an idiot having to do so.) I will take into consideration the above comments in the new video.
Posted: 10/10/2016 4:25 AM
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Submission: http://tasvideos.org/5250S.html Discussion: http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18460
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