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Looks like cheesy garlic bread.
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I 100% agree with Retro’s post.
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Alyosha wrote:
I prefer strict rules regarding what movies can be considered console verified. If you have to add or subtract frames, then the movie is not console verified, only the input file is. Personally I think of console verification of a movie file as a standardized and ideally reversible process. Take your movie file, run this standard script, use the resulting input file on playback device. If you need to add additional steps in there, like manually editing in frames, or per-game hacks, then you do not have a verified movie.
The problem is you can’t expect console to be 100% deterministic, in the case of SMA4, the entire save data screen had to be removed in order to work properly. The time it takes to create is not deterministic and would be impossible to get right. Not only that but if this was the requirement, then the verifications would have to be removed from plenty of other games, such as Sonic Advance, Sonic Advance 2, chip n dale 2 players and 1 player, Pokemon Yellow, anything listed here basically http://tasvideos.org/ConsoleVerificationTests.html. I dont think it should wait until emulation is 100% accurate, because like I said before, emulation will almost never be 100% accurate to console, as console has weird quirks that an emulator would not be able to emulate in a deterministic way, like the save data thing with SMA4.
“Alyosha” wrote:
In practice, this does lead to cases where a movie can be verified according to a standard process but still be emulated incorrectly, as is the case for NES games where only input latches are used, so if lag frames show up in the wrong places it doesn't matter (sometimes) since they are ignored anyway. I believe this is the case for SMB2 at least. But, since the standard process was followed, it can still be considered a verification. This doesn't work for GB/A though, where cycles and not latches are used, so cases like Sonic and Mario Advance which require manual editing, are not verified.
So you think Sonic Advance should have it removed only because it needed one lag frame added, but not say the same thing about NES? I find it really difficult to understand this position.
“Alyosha” wrote:
I do agree that there should be a process where if a movie file can be imported into a more accurate emulator where manual editing is not required for console verification then this movie can be placed alongside the original movie in the publication and be considered verified.
This I am not arguing against, as it fits the case 1 I meantioned above.
“Alyosha” wrote:
EDIT: also if you are able to detect emulator inaccuracies in loading times etc please report them so they can be addressed.
We have, and we always will. Part of the process that I mentioned in Case 2 was to ALWAYS provide documentation on what failed and what was required to get consistent sync. But the goal of console verification should not be a test of how accurate the emulation is, but rather a test of how accurate the gameplay in the TAS is. Do the inputs work on console? Do they produce the same results as on console? It just seems unfair to exclude verification if the only thing is loading time, which can be easily adjusted.
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There is a skip in this level that I somehow did in VisualBoyAdvance while testing some routes, but that I could never redo since. At around 09:01 you can jump from the platform on the top right to the platform above (that you will see at 09:30).
Is this why you are using VBA-Next for this movie? If so, someone should look into if they can get this on mGBA.
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I wanted to make this thread discussing the requirements the site has for considering TASes as console verified. (Please note that I am writing this on my phone and wont include links for now, but once I’m at my computer I’ll add some).
Recently, me and TiKevin83 got Super Mario Advance 4 warps to console verify. However there was a bit of adjustments we had to do in order to get it to sync. One of the changes was having to remove the save data creation screen as the time it takes to create save data is non deterministic, which cut about 10-11 seconds from the run. In addition to that, 10 frames had to be added in total in places where loading requires an extra lag frame compared to emulator. So while these adjustments made the run sync on console, we wondered if it could be rejected given the hurdles we had to jump over (Which is unlikely to happen, however it’s hard to tell unless there’s some actual written guidelines to it.)
So I want to discuss what these requirements should be, and see if there’s any objection to anything.
So there are 3 types of verifications I’d like to use as cases:
1. Movies that sync on console without any changes in input.
2. Movies that sync with the same input, but might need a few frames added or deleted to work
3. Movies that were on older emulation but resynced to newest emulation in order to verify.
So first up, case number 1. It’s pretty much impossible for anyone to argue that this case should be excluded. It’s a perfect example of the spirit of console verification, and is the best case scenario for what we would want.
Second up, case number 2. This is where we start to notice issues with emulation not being exact with console. Emulation is not likely to be 100% accurate to console every time, and can usually depend on the game being tested. For Sonic Advance, 1 lag frame was added in order to get the run to sync. A small sacrifice which doesn’t affect anything significant in the input file. In the case of SMA4, 10 frames had to be added in some loading areas to get it to sync, and about 500 frames were removed from the movie file so save data creation did not have to be an issue. I think in these cases, it would still count to include them as console verified, since the adjustments that had to be done were not relevant to the gameplay, but rather just loading. These cases should also have documentation on how to get them to sync, likely in the submission thread.
Then we have the 3rd case. This is where things start to get very sketchy. There are a couple of movies that use older inaccurate emulation that were adjusted to work on console, like Super Mario Land and Trip World. For Trip World, I was able to get the movie to play on GBC in GBA mode, which is required to get GB/C games to console verify. I then added frames to any screen transition which would be an average of about 1-2 frames each. There was no lag during gameplay that I had to adjust, so it was a seamless sync.
However we have a case like Super Mario Land that needs some high hurdles to get to work. For one, bonus levels have to be adjusted in order to get fire flower after each world in the bonus rooms. These are based on what frame you finish the world on, and sometimes require wasting them via pausing and simmilar. The other issue is lag during gameplay. There might be cases where you have to change the inputs slightly in order to keep optimal lag reduction, and when that happens, it breaks the spirit of a true console verification. Since you aren’t testing to see if specific inputs will work on console, and have to make these adjustments in order to work, it might disqualify the verification.
What I suggest is to make the requirements more lenient, due to the nature of emulation and console not always being deterministic or accurate, while at the same time knowing where to draw the line when gameplay inputs have to be changed. I would like to hear some other thoughts from people, especially staff, to see what they think about verifications in general.
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[14:15] <feos> WinDOES what DOSn't
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Mothrayas Today at 12:22: <Colin> thank you for supporting noble causes such as my feet
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[Today at 4:51 PM] Mothrayas: although if you like your own tweets that's the online equivalent of sniffing your own farts and probably tells a lot about you as a person
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[14:15] <feos> WinDOES what DOSn't
12:33:44 PM <Mothrayas> "I got an oof with my game!"
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[Today at 4:51 PM] Mothrayas: although if you like your own tweets that's the online equivalent of sniffing your own farts and probably tells a lot about you as a person
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so did the test work or fail?
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[14:15] <feos> WinDOES what DOSn't
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[14:15] <feos> WinDOES what DOSn't
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Made some more homemade pizza again!
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[4244] Genesis Crusader of Centy by Eratyx in 29:10.77
Favorite Sega movie of the year so far, it’s one of those games that gets faster and crazier the longer you watch it. All the out of bounds stuff as well as the crazy speed tricks from either taking damage from enemies or slides. It’s a wonderful example of just because a game isn’t well known, it doesn’t mean it can’t be as entertaining.
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That’s clearly Donkey Kong, not King Kong. You can’t convince me otherwise.
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The girl is pretty cute though.
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Samtastic wrote:
This was one of the Mario games that I played when I was younger on the GBA and it was played really fast. Yes vote!
This was basically my introduction to SMB3 as a kid. So I relate to this pretty hard.
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[14:15] <feos> WinDOES what DOSn't
12:33:44 PM <Mothrayas> "I got an oof with my game!"
Mothrayas Today at 12:22: <Colin> thank you for supporting noble causes such as my feet
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[Today at 4:51 PM] Mothrayas: although if you like your own tweets that's the online equivalent of sniffing your own farts and probably tells a lot about you as a person
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[14:15] <feos> WinDOES what DOSn't
12:33:44 PM <Mothrayas> "I got an oof with my game!"
Mothrayas Today at 12:22: <Colin> thank you for supporting noble causes such as my feet
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[Today at 4:51 PM] Mothrayas: although if you like your own tweets that's the online equivalent of sniffing your own farts and probably tells a lot about you as a person
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[14:15] <feos> WinDOES what DOSn't
12:33:44 PM <Mothrayas> "I got an oof with my game!"
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Could have asked me to make you another comparison encode that shows the frames saved. I can still make one for you if you want.
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Happy to see you back.
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2:11:33 PM <feos> NO
2:11:55 PM <MemoryTAS> ...Fine I won't be on IRC, be that way
2:12:01 PM <MemoryTAS> :(
2:12:07 PM <feos> YES
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Most inaccurate depiction of Tom and Jerry, as Tom isn’t supposed to win.
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