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I was playing around with this game and found out that you can possibly for a lot of the battles, not let the enemy hit you, depending on the order of which you hit them. I found this out by the guys that jump in front of you during the 1st couple of fight scenes.
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mwl wrote:
Okay, I just had an AIM conversation with our good friend Acryte.
He said the super-slide is impractical in Dampe's race because of all the turns and the time it takes for bombs to defuse. So you're right on that one, Guano.
I'm sorry. I didn't know enough about the trick and I shouldn't have jumped to conclusions like that.
Well, lets see. Ive been doing the SS in the race and found out that if I throw the bomb on the ground off the ledge in the beginning and do the slide after the text, I will just slide past dampe and he will go very slow. I have not tested it in another place to see if I slide past him.
Also, DK, I have been thinking that too about the bomb jump. Is it possible? How do you keep levitating after the 1st jump up?
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I messed up, actual time is like 59 seconds. If you watch my video I just posted, thats the closest jump I have gotten yet. I am pretty sure that I have the poe coming up at the perfect angle and I just need to roll and jump and the perfect time.
MWL, 36 seconds seems impossible, even with a hookshot (which I dont have) at the very end.
I am still very unsure on how to super slide. Can someone give me good details on this? I am rolling into the bomb while holding z and r but I just end up getting hit or blocking the blast. Is there a certain method?
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I dont think its faster to do the super slide in Dampes grave because of the loading screen. If the record time is 36 seconds, thats pretty fast. The game time on this one is 48 seconds and actual time is like ~35 seconds I believe. I CANNOT GET THE DAMN BOOST! SOOO F'n CLOSE!
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So, what is the trick to the super slide? I'm rolling into the bomb and holding Z and R and Down on the joypad and he will just get hit or slide for about 1/2 a second, stop, and backwalk.
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Okay, I'm going to start re-working on this run in a week or so. Im getting frustrated with OoT because of the "Poe Boost" which I think could be slower than an idea I have come up with. Once stage 4 is complete, ill post up!
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Im really convinced that a 2 player 100% run would be faster by all means(if that is what is going on).
While Mario takes 1 path, which would be levels 1, 2, 3, and 4, while Luigi takes another path, which would be star road and levels 5, 6, 7, and 8. More ground could be covered. There is a 4 second screen delay from switching from Mario to Luigi but that would make up for backtracking time, AND Luigi should finish Star Road ASAP.
I was told this could not be faster but I'm still convinced that it is.
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I glitched mine on an emulator and it has never happened again. Also, for a new smb2 warpless, I would recommend that you try and use the "ladder glitch" on every ladder the character comes across.
Only a suggestion
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Im getting closer and closer on the boost. It almost seems impossible.
What I was thinking is throwing a bomb against the side of the fence and let it bounce back and explode in the air while jumpslashing and hitting at the right spot against Link's back. I'm continuing to not re-do the dampe race until I find out the spots for the bomb placement. There are a lot of turns and such.
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Here is my .m64 and a save state to show what I have done in the Graveyard. My Dampe race was 49 seconds (game time).
After I equip the shield and hookshot, I get ready for the poe boost. If you guys would like to try this one of a kind trick, go for it!
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=B8B89E80065C556F
GOOD FUDGIN LUCK on this.
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Im going to be out of town for a week. Im at the poe boost and am getting sooooo sooooo close. If you find some stuff out, post up on here and ill see it later on.
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OH MY GOD!
Please let this be the last time someone figured something out 20 minutes later in the game.
I really dont think this is faster. There is:
--30 second ride down the river
--16-20 seconds to buy the beans
--20 seconds to play ocarina and warp
--10 seconds to plant each bean
--30 seconds diversion to Graveyard
--6 seconds in the start(menu) loading screen to equip beans
--15-20 seconds from the start screen to the Kokiri Forest
--Can you skip the own dialogue? Another 12 seconds there
--The walk to the Lost Woods from the house is around 20 seconds because you have to climb right?
--And I would have to die to leevers in the DC which would take around 5-10 seconds.
~ Calculations for this would be around 3 minutes. Is that faster than the route planned?
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mwl wrote:
No, you can never break the game enough.
AKA wrote:
Guano there has been a new trick discovers that pretty much obseletes the current route. Its possible to get to the Mirror shiled ledge without entering the temple, it requires a magic bean in order to do it.
This is too late for Guano, unfortunately.
Yeah, I was thinking after Dodongo's Cavern but I dont have any bombs for the boulders. Every bomb was used as it could.
The only exception would be adding 2 min or so doing:
--Take the river down to get the bean, then go right back up the river and warp to Lost Woods.
mwl, before I forget, try and get what is needed from YouTube on the Wiki site for the Temples.
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Depends, you have to climb the ladder, then the 30 second backwalk. But you need a bomb to do this, I only had bombchu AND a tight budget for the bombchu.
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no, the owl warp saved time for night/day transitions. Time does not flow talking to anyone in the game(im 99% positive on that). The clouds will move but if you leave the game running, it will still be the same time, night/day.
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I'm not starting over.
That technique after watching it, will be used a lot from here on. I just need to find the best way to execute it. It would have been hard for me to use it after the spirit temple because I only had bombchu's. Now with bombs I can do it whenever. But I need a shield correct? After the graveyard, ill do it.
BTW mwl, why do I get squished by the last door in Dampe's tomb?
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Why the shrug? I've been having a lot of trouble with every part of this run, and angles are the hardest part. I couldnt get the Ocarina/bomb/fish trick to work properly, so I took the next best route which was dumping it. When AKA does it, he needs about a year to do this run perfecto, maybe longer, and I wish him the best of luck.
I want to see a 100% TAS for this game after mine is complete. That would be amazing. Esp. if its under 3 hours.
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