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Update: This is a 42-frame improvement over our previous release.
On the night we released the TAS, I found an optimization that saves 21 frames in 1-1 and 4-1. It was frustrating to me, as I found it too late, and we ended up spending an entire week redoing 1-1, 4-1, 8-2, 8-3, and the final room of 8-4.
Sorry for the inconvenience. Please help replacing the movie file with this:
https://tasvideos.org/UserFiles/Info/639044331785938472
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The link in your post is posted in 2021/2022, not 2025/2026.
No, I, myself, didn't miss voting, but there could be some people who did miss voting, and that can alter the end result.
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23:59 UTC on January 15th is probably a typo since some time ago. Polls were created when I woke up on Jan7 and were all set to automatically end in 7 days, as always.
To my understanding, if every voting post clearly says "Voting will be open until, at earliest, 23:59 UTC on January 15th, 2026", then it should be open until at least that time.
If the polls ended early than it supposed to be, who can really trust if the end result is truly accurate?
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Why did the voting end hours sooner than it supposed to?
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It says: "Voting will be open until, at earliest, 23:59 UTC on January 15th, 2026."
Right now it's 19:26 UTC on January 15th, 2026.
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Hmm... Why did the voting ended sooner?
It says: "Voting will be open until, at earliest, 23:59 UTC on January 15th, 2026."
Right now it's 19:26 UTC on January 15th, 2026.
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Challenger wrote:
The new timesavers are very insane! This hack now shows the true potential :)
Also, the new 1-frame improvement to the third 8-4 room might be possible to the original game too?
Thanks. The new 1-frame improvement in 8-4 is for this TAS only. The current SMB TAS should be already optimized.
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Reeve wrote:
Dumb question: For Warpless, in 5-1, is it possible to manipulate the last winged koopa to jump backwards so it can go to the top of the stairs in the right or a position that it can be stomped in a way that you can send his shell to the flagpole so you can use it instead of the Bullet Bill to perform the Full Flagpole Glitch?
Not a dumb question, but I don't think it's possible, because of the length of the stairs. Feel free to test it yourself to see what happens. :)
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Nice TAS. My FullMoon TAS was VERY old, and I never meant for it to be published here all these years. (I still have no idea how it got published.)
Mars608 made a newer FullMoon TAS in 2012:
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1bx41167Nr/
It's 07:13.43, 26049 frames. I didn't compare all stages, but judging from the final result, yours is 115 frames faster than Mars608's, so it should be good enough. :)
Edit: With some quick comparison, Mars608's 2012 TAS should be faster than yours in some levels like 1-B. I have no time for this project and I'm not interested in making more comparison. So you might need to learn from Mars608's TAS a bit and combine the efforts.
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Congrats on new X6 TAS finally finished! This must have taken a lot of time and efforts. Yes vote!
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The Rerecord Count is wrong because I updated this TAS with a new emulator version. The real Rerecord Count should be 157614. Can the mods help me replace the movie file with this: https://tasvideos.org/UserFiles/Info/638950170764812657
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Nice TAS. I voted yes.
My main concern is that this TAS is done with a remake version of this game, not the original version.
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Great TAS. Must have taken lots of efforts. It's good that you finally submitted it on TASVideos. :)
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I'd love to see a Metal Slug 3 "1-player, maximum Prisoners" (LEVEL-8) TAS. It's a goal that allows showing other routes.
Unfortunately I don't have the time to do it myself, so other Metal Slug TASers are welcomed to use this video idea. :)
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Awesome TAS! Really high quality and very entertaining. It's a pleasant surprise that the "1 player" and "2 players" TAS come at nearly the same time.
One of my favorite details: jumping on the camel in the end of Mission 1 to save time in Mission 2. :)
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YoshiRulz wrote:
The error message is fairly clear: 0x1014EC (1053932) is not in the address range 0x0000..=0xFFFF. In the earlier version it may have been failing silently, or maybe the default memory domain was the system bus. Check the list with memory.getmemorydomainlist() and then add a line like memory.usememorydomain("WRAM"); at the top of the script.
Error message for memory.getmemorydomainlist() :
NLua.Exceptions.LuaScriptException: [string "main"]:11: Invalid arguments to method call
Error message for memory.usememorydomain("WRAM") :
Unable to find domain: WRAM
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I tried Lua Scripts with Metal Slug 3 or Metal Slug X on BizHawk 2.10, and this happens:
Error message: "Warning: attempted read of 1053932 outside the memory size of 65536"
The line in script I use:
gui.text(0,80,memory.read_u16_be(0x001014EC))
But if I use the same script on BizHawk 2.9.1, it works fine.
zk547 helped me confirm that it's not my problem. He had the same issue in 2.10.
Any idea of how this happens or how to fix it? Thanks.
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Awesome TAS. Very nice usage of bombs. I enjoyed it a lot. :D
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DrD2k9 wrote:
Two semi-connected questions: Was “dying to save time” considered/tested? Which point farming in the run is the most beneficial?
It's stated in the "Game Objectives":
* Completing the game with 000000 points in one life (dying is banned)
If dying were allowed, this TAS would become repetitive and meaningless.
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I'm strongly against that.
Normally the goal of an any% TAS would be avoiding ACE. Check out the "warps" TAS of SMB3 and Super Mario World. ACE or "game end glitch" is usually a standalone category.
The time difference is not that huge, so what? The goal of touching the final axe and saving the princess is clearly not the same as using ACE to end this game in a glitch.
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ACE in SMB2J is obviously a great discovery. Props to everyone involved. Yes vote for sure. :)
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Thanks Asumeh. Glad you like it.
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I'm curious though; if you're able to enter the top pipe in 7-2, can't you do the same for the other levels that start with the reverse L pipe? (assuming that's not possible and it was only for 7-2 in this case)
Good question, but I don't know the answer myself. I assume this game has 2 types of reverse L pipe. Normally Mario's able to enter the top (like 7-2), but it's a different type of pipe in other stages.
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https://tasvideos.org/UserFiles/Info/638775249545756413
Another 4 frame improvement, thanks to M3's finding of cancelling ladder jump animation. Credits go to M3.
Please help replace the submission file. Hopefully this time, this category is fully optimized.
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So I retested this with Mega Man X5 and did get somewhere, although it doesn't match the reported issue. As far as I can tell, both nymashock and octoshock behave the same across all versions, from 2.6.1 up to latest dev:
If one controller is connected, 4 frame advances are required to see the first jump animations. If two controllers are connected (port 1 and 2), only 3 frame advances are required. So visual latency depends solely on the controllers connected.
Whether or not that's accurate and correct I can't tell, but considering it matches between octoshock and nymashock across all versions I'm inclined to say it's intended.
Wow. I've tested it, and it's actually true. I didn't thought the 2nd controller settings would affect this behaviour. Thanks. :)
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FractalFusion wrote:
I tested both cores, both player characters X and Zero. In all cases, I found that the player goes into the jumping sprite when the emulator says "4680 X". That is, I found it takes 3 frames for the animation to appear in all cases I tested, being unable to find any difference between the cores or the characters.
For me, it takes 4 frames (frame advance 4 times) to see jumping on screen in X5. 3 frames are fine (same as X4), 4 frames mean an extra frame delay.
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FractalFusion wrote:
For reference, the emulator's About screen says that the version of BizHawk I am using is "Version 2.8 (x64) (GIT HEAD#e731e0f32)" and "Version 2.8 (x64) February 19, 2022".
My version is exactly the same. I'm using ".cue" as well. It's strange that we get different results. Could there be some other settings that may influence this?
I honestly don't know if newer versions are indeed more accurate with everything, but having one extra frame delay in X5 than X4 is pretty weird to me. Since I've also tested PSXjin (no frame delay), the game code in those two games shouldn't be that different.
I just hope that someone can figure out why it happens, or come up a easy solution to fix it. Otherwise TASing X5 would be extra hard for me, since I do manual inputs.
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FractalFusion wrote:
Can you upload your BizHawk 2.8 Octoshock (no delay) TAS, for comparison purposes?
Sorry, I don't share my test version of this TAS. Besides, you can't see the difference from the movie file. The difference is with how the emulator responds to inputs, not only from the screen image, but also for memory values as well.
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Error message: "Warning: attempted read of 1053932 outside the memory size of 65536"
The line in script I use:
gui.text(0,80,memory.read_u16_be(0x001014EC))
But if I use the same script on BizHawk 2.9.1, it works fine.
zk547 helped me confirm that it's not my problem. He had the same issue in 2.10.
Any idea of how this happens or how to fix it? Thanks.