I don't know if I agree with 2d.
I'd say that there are lots of people who would regard a run that only gets silver scale as lower% than a run that only gets the gold scale. Of course if it gets both it would be higher% than gold only though.
But something seems wrong about the scenario of getting golden gauntlets and having it counted as only one item, as it enables the player to bypass all hindrances that have been set up for three distinct items. Counting it as three also seems too high though.
I'd propose counting every skipped "lower level form" of an item as something between 0 and 1 items. I'd probably make it either 0.33, 0.5 or 0.75.
It just doesn't seem fair to me if it's calculated otherwise.
Somebody who was new voted yes on nineko's movie submission. He knew that everybody would accuse him of having created that account himself only to get his movie published. So because the submission wouldn't have been accepted anyway for that reason, he canceled it in wise foresight. xD
Then he did some other funny stuff and got banned. :D
That's also going to be great for people with sucky keyboards that can't press many keys at a time. Yay!
That is if switching from append to regular write/rewrite would work by entering a shortcut.
Btw. what's the problem with getting bugs as an adault behind the skulltulla house?
There is no problem. I'm bad at making estaminations, but I guess with the current route using a fish would be slower anyway. You'd jump down the waterfall after talking to King Zora, then catch a fish and leave.
A thing that totally favors catching the bug is that you could already glitch the quiver by instantly doing bottle B when catching it first.
I'm merely pointing out the fish alternative because it could be overlooked easily, as there used to be routes where the fish option was totally out of the window.
Magic can either be gotten after getting the saw or after getting the broken sword.
The fastest way to the bridge after getting the saw might be to just walk there, or by using the Serenade first. I'd say using the Nocturne after getting the broken sword would be a pretty fast way to get near Death Mountain then. Then get magic, use the Prelude.
After the saw, it might be possible to go through Goron City to get magic, if that's faster. Else, just use the Nocturne. Then use the Serenade to warp to Lake Hylia and go from there to the bridge, then use the Prelude.
I have no idea what's fastest, but these are the possibilities I can think of. You only get the Nocturne if you use bugs, but they should be faster anyway.
When and how will magic be gotten?
If the Nocturne isn't required it might maybe be faster to catch a fish in Zora's domain instead of getting a beatle.
(graveyard being a huge detour sounds to me like it won't be used)
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notice all the reptilian humanoids are always blinking rapidly, pretty strange
It should be even more than 58 seconds because you are already at the bean guy and it takes some time leaving ZR anyway (unless you've already factored that in).
OoT actually checks for all of the medals. 3 stones for the door of time, 3 (or 4) medals for the Kakariko cutscene and 2 medals for the bridge. MM isn't really divided into different stages of the game like that, so of course it has to check for all 4 at some point.
The reason I think the cuco-bottle is faster even though gametime isn't spent in Kakariko village is because I assume the time spent gathering cucos etc is less than the time spent travelling in Zoras domain (twice with the silverscale route). The cucco-bottle saves realtime since you will not be travelling through Zoras River and you don't need to visit Lake Hylia twice.
You don't have to visit the lake twice with the silver scale route, just once to grab the bottle and plant the seed. You also don't have to travel across the field so much. And going down the river is a lot faster than going up. One problem is where to get the beatle from with that route, as you won't have an empty bottle when at the lake.
Wouldn't a fish do as well? You can get one right in Zora's Domain. Opposed to bugs, a fish doesn't give you the Water Medal, the Nocturne of Shadows (and the Kokiri Emerald) when RBAing the important addresses. Shouldn't make any difference, or does it?
If there was a well positioned stone with bugs underneath on the way to the castle that could be faster though, I guess. Btw the fish are in the watery area at a circle of stones between the waterfall and the shop.
Edit: Ah, Nocturne is needed to get magic more quickly after obtaining the lullaby, right? Using the Lost Woods path to the Goron City would be much slower than using Nocturne, I guess. Sorry, I don't have the current route internalized at all...
(with fish instead of beatle): Hm, you could empty the bottle to get Nocturne and Lullaby, but no Prelude. Then warp away from the Poacher's Saw guy and then get Prelude and drop Nocturne. But that means an additional emptying and refilling of the bottle + 2 item switches. (On the other hand you could get the shield when leaving the graveyard after warping)
And you'd be forced to get magic before crossing the Gerudo bridge. So Lost Woods to Gerudo bridge, then getting magic, then warping to the Temple of Time becomes impossible. You'd have to get magic after Lost Woods, then use Serenade and go from there to the bridge.
I'm really totally confused as to how fast all of these options are though. Seems as if the beatle only route was a lot faster, but I really have got no clue. x_X
Could somebody please link me to the current route for the adult part?
Old run went to Kakariko and from there to Lake Hylia, got a beatle, talked to the scarecrow and gathered some rupees. Then it took the owl because dawn was already quite near. The silver scale route goes to Zora River, then continues to Zora's Domain. Then gets the bottle, plants the bean, gets rupees (no, those are gotten from the diving game xD), maybe also a beatle. Then maybe crossing the field, maybe using the owl, maybe using the river route? (depends also on when you meet King Zora?)
Edit: I guess you'd leave using the river because reentering the lake area would be pointless.
I'm not an expert, but it doesn't seem so clear to me why that shouldn't be enough time spent without seeing any numbers. My point is I have a feeling that these routes seem way too close to just make estimates of what works and what doesn't without trying it out.
He did some crazy, either paranoid or attention seeking, hilarious stuff. I want him back! xD
And I want somebody to post the picture, I haven't seen it either. :(
Btw, we should totally revive his Puzzle De Pon submission somewhen, then publish it without the author's approval! ;)
I thought we were waiting for the owl to fly us to the marketplace?
Anyway, it's interesting how many new routes have come up with just these two finds.
What I'd like to see is calculations. It looks like the silver scale route has been ditched, though I haven't seen a post that clearly explains why. There's a TAS of the segment from the magic bean guy to Zora Fountain, so the time of day when entering Lake Hylia could easily be calculated. I'd just like to see these calculations carried out openly because there are really a ton of possible routes atm and it's hard to take everything into account when planning in the hidden.
Let's just vote no on any submission not submitted by the author themselves. Btw, am I correct in assuming that we don't have a single female author on this site?