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The improvments are not so big I think. Only some seconds. I think it will be hard to improve the third run by more minutes anymore. Seconds yes, but minutes not sure.
About this run.
Julius Clones done. But I will maybe try it again. The sword stops and I must still hit the last clone one time (critical). Is not much, but frustrating. I have hard work for this one but it so hard to make it good enough and hit all so, that all defeated at the end, maybe the lower Level is too a reason. Sometimes they block and you can't hit them, or one is to far away. So I have attack more 2 together and the last still need more hits.
Must see, if I can improve it a bit, but I think it will be hard. And one hit is not much I think. So maybe it will be in the final run when I can't make it better.
I think this is the hardest Boss fight, when you try to make it looking good. ;-)
Edit: Rework on it. Now its perfect I think. :-)
Defeat all 3 clones fast and good and still have my Sword Power. This time I go a different way and have more luck how they stand and block. So all gone now and I think the hardest fight is over. Only 2 Bosses, where the last is the easiest I think.
Edit2: Julius second form done. 142 frames slower. I think the level is the reason. Or maybe bad luck in critical hits. But the fight itself looks good I think and I hit him often in rows.
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Defeat Zombie Dragon. 135 Frames faster, because of much more luck. He move a bit different and so I stand near the exit by the last hits.
So now the movie is over 87000 Frames faster. Only Julius is missing now. I arrive by him. Must only skip now the messages and defeat him.
I hope I can defeat him again in this great stylish fight as I do it in my 3rd run, that I turn around my sword the complete fight. Not sure if this will work, because I am one Level lower. But I will try my best.
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I think the trick is to collect a special item in Stage 99. But the better Player who can get this is the 2. Player. The item is more at the right side.
When you are to slow it will disappear.
Not sure if this is here the same. I remember it more from the C64 Version from this game. But I think that they are near the same and that the gameplay is maybe the same to see the best ending.
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As I played it for years I know this too about the 10 coins. I always have the feeling that you are faster. Maybe this was only a feeling, but I think it was official said from Nintendo too.
So better collect 10 coins as fast as possible, when you just play it the fastest way.
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To play it as fast as possible can to get very boring soon I think. Maybe there must contain variations. Some can be played as fast as possible others should play as slow as possible and still get the first place. That you fall long behind all others as far as possible and try to reach the first place.
Start later. Get interesting items to make it more entertainment.
Just play as fast as possible sound not good for this game and it can be, that it is to boring this way.
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Tailz wrote:
This time I used CtrlAltDestroy's 1943 video (with his permission of course). This video is only 3:44 and about 22 MB. The quality is pretty good seeing as how the background is mostly water and that sometimes gets a little blurry for some reason.
Nice done, thanks.
But by me the file size is 35 MB and not 22 MB. Have I do something wrong?
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Voted yes.
Looks well played and fast. But I don't know this game. Your describtion help me to a bit to understand some things. Why you choose only 2 different characters (blue and white). After read your discrition I understand the reason.
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Nach wrote:
So you're redoing this run now?
No.
This is a different Version from this run. I think it should not obsoletes my other run and I will not cancel my other one for this here.
As you maybe notice to some post earlier, this is a Glitchy Warp run. There are some Glitches in the game, which allow you to skip many parts and Bosses from the game. Normaly its impossible and this will skip too many that you will maybe not understand the game. It save near 24 minutes, but skip too so many important thinks in the game and many Boss fights. So I think it will be a different catagorie.
I hope it ok. Its maybe like the Zelda Links Awakening Glitch run in 5 minutes. Everyone would like to see too a complete run through the game as fast as possible without the Warp Glitch.
The problem, this game still takes over 1 hour with the warps. But saved too some time.
But my other version is too good played. Contains maybe some little errors which cost some time. But not much can saved I think. Maybe 8 second when you buy the axe earlier, and some seconds when you manipulate some from the later Bosses (Kraken & Iflyte) much more, but not sure if this is always possible. But I try too my best in the 3.0 Version, which is warpless and show the complete game.
I think some would like to see the complete run, other some would like the Warprun and some maybe both like me.
About the WIP run:
Done now the Mantis Ant. With Luck I have done this fight, that he never came down. Save not much and cost me near no luck manipulation. But it saved 33 Frames. Some more are saved to better luck manipulation after the fight. The Chocobo is now not so far away.
Edit:
Arrive Geruda. Now I am over 24 minutes, finally. Not sure if I can hold this time. But it looks good. It can be, that I am 1 Level lower (which save maybe a bit time). Reason, much better luck manipulation. I defeat not so much enemies. So I Level up after I used 2 times Ice. Now I don't need to Level up anymore. I hope the Julius fight will not take much longer with one lower Level.
I am 86606 Frames faster at this point.
Edit2:
Defeat Geruda. Wow, this fight is 1 Frame faster till I get the first black screen. 1 Frame, that is so much faster. ;-)
Not sure if I defeat him faster, or reach faster the next screen. I stand a bit near it as I hit him the last time I think.
Edit3:
Bigger Update now. Defeat Dragon and Red Dragon. Was easy fights, because they move always near the same. And I watch my other movie and copy many movements. Only the second one must I manipulate this time a bit more.
Arrive by the Zombie Dragon. All hard parts are done now, the bigger luck manipulation parts. Only miss 4 Boss fights now. Saved again some Frames. Main reason is maybe the lower Level. I hope this will not affect the Last fights to much. The both Dragons takes only some little Frames longer (maybe 1 hit more). So at this point its better with the Lower Level I think.
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Yes, I think this is to boring to watch. And no problem to make it as fast as possible. So the TAS is not interesting to make for me. Maybe to watch it one time. But its impossible to make it entertainment enough I think.
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Nach wrote:
I just have to say I've played this game, and watching the video is a bit of a shock. What speed did you play it at to fly like that? Flying in a straight line is humanly impossible in this game.
Excellent job you did here :)
Thanks for encoding the movie and thanks for your comment.
Most parts (near the complete Stages) are played with Frame Advance and it was hard to make. Still not perfect as you see through some post. And maybe I try it again someday. Most frames can saved by the first Boss I think.
I am so happy now, that my first movie is puplished. So thanks again for all who have vote and Nach for encoding this.
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Defeat Lich now.
I just copy near the complete fight from my 3rd run. He moves always the same and do the same things. I have the same Level, and both times full Will.
So I just see when I first press A to attack and copy the rest from HexEdit. I know I try my best in my 3rd run, so this fight is too great. I attack always at the first possible Frame when I too can't get hit from him.
Problem was only the end, because Lich has not die as the fight was over in my third run. Reason, I have much more luck in my third run as here and do more critical hits. I can't see it, so it would be impossible to try this out in such a long fight which Frame is the best.
I just rerecord the last two hits again, and he too die now. So its some Frames longer as in my third run, but this is just bad luck which can't manipulated from me. Critical hits by Bosses is to much for me to manipulate. I can do it by small enemies, which take only 1 or 2 hits. But I can't test over 20 hits to see which was the best Frame.
Edit: This bad luck cost me 43 Frames.
Edit2: Small update, To show, that I still working on this one. Have found not much time, because I played some other game on real console. But now I hope to find again more time for this run.
Arrive Mantis Ant now. As I first arrive I have to less exp points. So I must do some rooms again to defeat one more enemie. Then the much badder luck and I lose some Frames more then I hoped. But now I finally arrive at the next Boss and can Level Up after this fight. Still 23.95 minutes faster at this point. I hope I can get 24 minute at the end. But this is all luck and can't be calculate. So I must just wait and will see at the end how much faster it will be.
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nitsuja wrote:
(Also, I'm wondering about the complete lack of pausing while still manipulating pieces - doesn't the current run have rapid pausing in many places to manipulate straight pieces to appear?)
He manipulate it through waiting till he drop down the pieces. Sometimes it takes a bit longer and I think this is the manipulation. One time he wait long, till he drop down a piece. So maybe the pausing is much faster at some places.
But nice too see, that it is possible without pausing. Looks much better I think.
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gamedirector wrote:
only thing i questioned was the names, but since you described your reason so thoroughly it was okay. Also at least you gave them names.
It is not possible to give them no names. You must give them one. And both A is the fastest. A real name would be much better. But its then for every letter and move 7 Frames (move) + 4 Frames (choose) slower I think.
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Voted Yes.
Looks fast done and well played. The shot parts where you can't do anything are good and entertainment how you move up and down with your swords.
Sometimes it looks like the seaman with the flags (who shows words or alphabets with the flags). That you say something with your swords. ;-)
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Voted Yes.
Great fast movie. And the selfscrolling Stage is great entertainment. With so many different items at the same time. Well done.
oo the last Boss fight looks great. How you play with your items all the time looks great.
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FreshFeeling wrote:
Does the chocobo move faster on the slippery ice in the ice cave than the hero (A) does? It doesn't look like it does, so I'm not so sure if two of the times when you rode the chocobo inside the ice cave saved any time. Did you already check whether it saves time or not?
I know what you mean and I think you are right. But this save me to manipulate these rooms with the enemies appears. These parts are near the most anyoing ones in the complete game I think. As I do the third run it was very hard to get a clean run through these rooms and I try many differents Frames. So I have think its better to use the Chocobo at these parts, that I must not wait some Frames to manipulate these rooms.
It can be, that I lose a bit time (4 times I must go into the menu and switch to ask). But at the other side I was not so frustrated to try to manipulate these rooms and just walk through the enemies with the Chocobo.
Maybe I shouldn't do it at these 2 places and I lose maybe some Frames. Not sure how good it can be manipulated by this 4th run. The Ice Cave is the hardest Stage I think to manipulate with all the Ice fields and much enemies. Only the places with 2 switches and the snowman are too much frustrated to manipulate and most takes many tries.
As I work at this part from the run I have not think about it, that I lose time. I have just think there are more rooms where the Chocobo can save a bit time when I use him. But I have forget, that these rooms are most just ice fields and that he is too not faster on ice (not tested, but I think he is as fast as the hero too).
Later as I watch the part from the run I saw myself, that it was maybe a bad idea. But now so much is already done that it will change to much other things.
Every Frame and every different button can affect near everything in this game. It can too affect the later Kraken fight. Not sure if it will be possible to manipulate him again so perfect as it has work now. When I arrive earlier it can be, that it is impossible to manipulate the Kraken so perfect.
So maybe I lose there some Frames, not sure how good the manipulation would work by this run at this point (it always different). But it can be, that it save at the other side some Frames by the Kraken fight (never every I have done it to defeat him and he has not attack me). Who knows. So maybe better I lose some Frames in the Ice Cave then in a Boss fight later. As someone else say in the past, "The Boss fights are the most important things in a game". ;-)
The Boss fight was luck, but it can be, that I will not have the luck when I redone this part.
At least I hope that I not lose to much time in the Ice Cave.
Maybe I can try it later when this run is done. But at this moment I have so much luck in the later run that I will not change it now.
EDIT: Every ask till the Chocobo walk cost 109 Frames. So I lose maybe 436 Frames together (+- some Frames which the Chocobo save because some little parts he walk faster and normal way and no manipulation from the rooms now done). A bit over 7 seconds. When I would try to manipualte thes rooms I would lose maybe not so much. But 7 seconds in a movie which is over 1 hour is not much I think and hope.
Edit2:
Finally I have found a bit time and enough energy to make the next parts. Was a bid hard and much work, because there are 2 rooms with 2 times ice in a short time. So I must level up between these 2 rooms without lose much time. Has work. Now I hope I can Level Up after this Stage good enough like in my other 3rd run. Because I need again MP points for Nuke.
The first room looks not so good. I try many Frames and never ever stand a soldier on the switch which would save much time. So I search now for a good start to push both snowman on the switches.
The second one looks much better. But I try too many times. I try to equip Ice before enter and in the room. So it worked better to equip it later. I must start the Ice spell fast, because the enemie will walk down and later be not anymore on the switch. The second one is just easy walk, ice, push and destroy.
Now I finally arrive by the next Boss.
Edit3:
So defeat now Iflyte. I lose some Frames in the Level, because needed Level Ups and one bad ice switch room which I can't manipulate perfect. But the Boss fight is 477 Frames faster as in my 3rd run. The reason much more luck manipulation here. You will notice it, when you know this Boss. Normaly he cames down in a ball and roll through the screen. Then it is hard to hit him and at the same time find a save place. You can too hit him only 1 times when he rolling. So I have now try it to manipulate him perfect. It was hard and I have think too first, that it is impossible. But after many tries it has work. Sometimes you must see how every attack affect the Boss a bit later. So sometimes I must redo the last 2 hits with the Morning Star and then he will move different.
When it looks sometimes that I can hit him faster, then I say I don't do it for this Luck Manipulation. When he would come down I will hit him not so often as when he stay at the top from the screen. This is too the reason why I hit him sometimes only 1 time too, to keep him at the top. When I wait for the better double hit he would come down and this cost again more time.
So lose some Frames in the Stage, but the most important part is again much faster through perfect luck manipulation like in the Kraken fight.
Still a bit under 24 minutes faster.
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Voted: Yes
Reason: Very Entertainment movie.
The beginning was a bid boring with all these Warps, but so the movie is faster at the complete time. I like the Sword Boss fight and the last Boss fight much. Both are very entertainment for the long fight.
Too great is how fast you climb ropes. Looks great. And the selfscrolling Stage (one from the last ones) is too very entertainment. You defeat all enemies and do very dangerous moves all the time.
Great movie.
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I think about it to vote yes, or wait, that you will submit a faster one. LOL
Ok, vote yes. Looks glitchy, how you walk now with the stoping and walking.
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Well done. Looks perfect. This is my favourite SNES game, so I am happy, that finally someone do a run from it. The movie look at this point great and puplishable for me. I like it how you use the magic to defeat more enemies with one use. And the death as shortcuts is too good. I would like it more to see a no damage run. But this would cost to much time at many points. Too by the Boss Fights. So its maybe better to do it with damage and with death as shortcuts.
Good work at the first Stage. Congratulation from me.
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Kyrsimys wrote:
How can it be a GB game when it's run in FCEU?
Yes, that wonder me too a bit. But the picture looks like GamyBoy.
And as I think about Metroid I think the ships look like this one on the picture.
Maybe a fake picture. ;-)
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I think my english is so bad, so something sound strange in my post. Sorry about this, but I try my best. :-)
But why I have the feeling, that somebody vote yes by this old cancelled run? Or I am wrong. As I last look at the votes this has only 6 votes and now 7. Or have I mix something? This 8 minutes longer version has more Confidence then my other much better version.
When somebody vote on this so late, please don't do it. Vote on the new one, which is over 8 minutes faster.
FFA Run 8 minutes faster
Or maybe later on my Warp run, when this is finished which will again much faster.
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