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Alyosha wrote:
This makes it seem like fixing emulation wasn't really a factor and the movie would have been changed regardless.
Does it really matter? The movie had multiple reasons to be resynced/adjusted, so both were done at the same time. Either change individually would've been a benefit to the product in the long run.
Alyosha wrote:
Also did Heisanevilgenius agree to the change in language?
Yes, he did.
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That seems like an important thing to note considering authorship wasn't changed despite the content changing in a non-trivial way.
Staff decided not to change authorship, as it would have been unfair to Heisanevilgenius to split credit for a change like that. That's why DrD2k9 is noted in the submission description but not as an author.
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OtakuTAS wrote:
The sudden publication was unwarranted and based on outside vendettas.
There is no vendetta going on. The judge (senior judge at that) had signed off on the run to be published, and therefore it got published. The process of publication was already well underway when this submission was submitted, and staff decided that publishing anyway was better than aborting all the work (and decided that this is generally a better way going forward, rather than what was done in 2019 and previous years).
As I commented in my last post, the publication of that submission has no bearing on the judgment of this one. Even if there was a vendetta, there would not even be any adverse effects caused by publishing ShesChardcore's submission.
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I think it's important to remember that while how ShesChardcore's submission was handled is different from precedent of how it was handled in 2019 (if we can call it still precedent) - the status of that movie's publication should have no bearing on this one. Assuming no complications, this run is faster and should obsolete the (newly) published run.
And yes, the reversal (with regards to previous precedent) of how that submission was handled (and how future cases like this should be handled, when the submission is already accepted) should have been clearly documented and outlined in the rules. This should be done soon.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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Really cool TAS! This is one of those games that has been deserving of a full, top-quality TAS for over a decade, yet it never came to pass because every TASer kept running into difficulties eventually. It should not be understated how hard runs like this are to make.
It is great to finally see a full run of this, and it did not disappoint. (Highlight: Farming the Star Wolf team on Venom 2 until the score cap is reached while they're all unable to touch Fox). Yes vote.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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This run looks like some kind of wild fever dream. It is highly amusing to watch. Not only in this five-minute run does Julius defeat Chaos, he also defeats gravity, collision physics, Julius, the postulates of Euclidean geometry, and every other boss in the game (and Great Armor twice).
It's a good thing that the encode includes a full live world map, just to highlight how much Julius' adventure fails to correlate with any sort of geometrical sense. And, of course, the boss battles themselves are each a form of art in their own right.
This probably doesn't count as any sort of conventional "beat the game" category but it definitely warrants being published as an alternative category. Strong yes vote, this was hilarious to watch.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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Excellent run. Who would have thought that you can simply reach the top floor of the castle by just bonking the ceiling hard enough?
Yes vote.
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For over 10 years, I'd been hoping for a playaround TAS of The World Warrior (I even gave it a shot myself, but it never got very far). Color me interested when I see this on the workbench, especially as it's submitted by none less than two of the greatest fighting game TAS playaround creators in TASVideos history.
It didn't take much time until halfway through the first round where I went "wait, what the fuck?" at the chicanery of the game already being on full display. The rest of the movie is also everything I could've hoped to see from a playaround like this. The World Warrior's Guile is such a hilariously broken character. In fact, the whole game is hilariously broken.
This playaround was a lot of fun to watch. Big yes vote.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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HappyLee wrote:
LogansGamingRoom wrote:
here’s another example:
https://tasvideos.org/2364M
- uses a level select rather than a password
- was obsoleted by a full game completion
It's been raised before by Noxxa, and I replied. Even he admitted that he used a faulty ROM. I didn't use a faulty ROM.
To clarify, while the ROM was faulty, it was actually released in that state, and the "correct" ROM only became public some time after the first TAS was published.
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HappyLee wrote:
Noxxa wrote:
What do you think level select menus or toggles are for? They are also usually left into the game for debugging and testing conveniences, or for players to be able to mark their progress in a game that has no savegames. Do you think the game design intended for the players to start progress at world 8?
At least for this particular hack, players are allowed to start at World 8 as well as any other world, and that's intended by the hack creator.
You did not answer either of my questions.
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Noxxa wrote:
Samsara did not add a new rule, she added a clarification to the rule. Nothing has changed to how the rule is enforced. This was stated multiple times.
There wasn't any rule banning level selection before, and now there is. That looks like adding a new rule to me.
The same rule already encompassed level selection like this (or at least it intended to, but the wording was not sufficiently clear, which is why it was now updated). No new rule was added.
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HappyLee wrote:
No. I don't think passwords are level select. They're are usually for designers to debug, or for players to restore progress (kind of like a savestate).
What do you think level select menus or toggles are for? They are also usually left into the game for debugging and testing conveniences, or for players to be able to mark their progress in a game that has no savegames. Do you think the game design intended for the players to start progress at world 8?
HappyLee wrote:
So it's OK for you to add a new rule in Wiki: MovieRules just to reject my movie specifically?
Samsara did not add a new rule, she added a clarification to the rule. Nothing has changed to how the rule is enforced. This was stated multiple times.
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More importantly, warp zones are accessed from inside gameplay and require entering specific levels (reached by beating other specific levels, reached in turn by starting gameplay in the game) and require gameplay actions to reach and use them - none of which is the case with a level select.
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HappyLee wrote:
I didn't use a faulty ROM, so I see no relevance.
The relevance is that of a movie that only plays the final stage being obsoleted by a movie that plays the full game. Your submission is trying the opposite, hence it is in conflict with precedent.
HappyLee wrote:
But the fact is I did beat the game. The ending is exactly the same as the published TAS.
As I said, it isn't considered beating the game for leaderboard or publication purposes. Many games allow skipping to the end with passwords or whatnot, and some even allow you to see the ending directly. However, the vast majority of people do not consider that to be beating the game. Beating the game means you start from the beginning, and finish at the ending. It doesn't mean you start at the final stage.
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To add another precedent, [2364] GBC Rockman DX3 by Noxxa in 00:25.40 was obsoleted by [2572] GBC Rockman DX3 by Noxxa in 23:33.92. The difference there was that the short run was caused by a faulty ROM that didn't handle save data correctly, as opposed to an in-game stage select - although that doesn't help the case of this submission. In-game stage selects are for IL runs, and not for any% movies that claim to beat the game.
It's the same as skipping to the end of the game with a password - just because you can do it in the game, doesn't mean that it is considered beating the game for leaderboard or publication purposes.
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FractalFusion wrote:
ShesChardcore wrote:
... you can murder enough of the other team to make them run out of players and forfeit. The latter choice is obviously the better and more entertaining option.
As much as there is some fun novelty in ending input early and letting the game play itself with liberal assistance of the teammate AI - I prefer Aqfaq's run quite a bit more here, as it actually tries to end the game quickly.
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Oh hey, I kind of remember this game - as it was on my shortlist for PCE games to TAS at one point (though I instead decided to go ahead with Gomola Speed, and later Final Zone II).
The run is kind of...whelming. Cork is not exactly the fastest lady in the world, but the run looks quite solid. It's good that there are at least some ways to have some faster and more varied movement than just walking forward for justice, as limited as they are.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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Good to see a decently polished run of this game at last (after several incomplete/suboptimal runs over the years). For a bootleg, it looks decent enough and sounds decent enough - most of the time, anyway. Yes vote.
Unfortunately it seems Mario 4 is still blocked from being properly beatable by emulation issues, as otherwise I would've had hoped to see a run of that too. But for now, this will do.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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<adelikat> In Oregon Trail, I sacrificed my own family to save time. In Star trek, I killed helpless comrades in escape pods to save time. Here, I kill my allies to save time. I think I need help.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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I think the key advice that should be mentioned here, besides "make sure to optimize your run better", is to do research about existing runs, tricks, and discoveries of the game. Especially for a game like Smash Bros., a popular fighting game still played by many players today, who have built upon over 20 years of history in pushing the game to its human limits.
The goal of this run is unclear (besides "beat 1P Mode with Yoshi"), but it's clear that research isn't done. If speed is the goal, real-time runs exist that are faster by more than two minutes. If entertainment is the goal, the gameplay fails to impress because even though ostensibly TAS tools are used, the rate of actions per minute is maybe a quarter of that of the playaround runs that are already on the site. The movie misses every essential trick that human players and TASers alike use like z-cancelling, double jump cancelling, or fastfalling, there are no real combos, and the character even unnecessarily takes damage several times. This looks like the playthrough of an average player, never mind a high level player, or a TAS.
Runs like this have far more potential, which the author should be aware of. A TAS should showcase a game being pushed to its limits, and the existing material should show to the author what pushing the game to its limits really looks like.
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lol, pretty fun match to end our run with
at least we went down fighting unlike Spain lmao
cya in 4 years or so (also fuck Qatar)
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First time I watched a match live of this World Cup so far (mainly because family pulled me into it)
United States vs Netherlands, because of course there's a lot of media buzz in the country for that
Can't say they played all that fantastic, but it was enough to win I guess
Kinda curious how far we can take it but I don't expect too much vs Argentina lol
Quite a few fun upsets happened in the pool phase tho
And it was nice to see that Japan beat Spain and Germany lmao
That said I still can't really feel invested for most of it
All I'll watch is just the remaining NL matches probably
Really can't be bothered with the rest
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Zeupar wrote:
Do you wish vuvuzelas were a thing in Qatar?
I wish Qatar wasn't a thing.
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I'm in approval of renaming Moons. "Alternate" (or "Alternative Goals") seems like a good descriptor to me.
ThunderAxe31 wrote:
Beside the name, we'll also need to replace the Moons icon with something different, in order to completely separate it from its past nature. My suggestion is to use the note block from SMW, because in my opinion it suggests the idea of "creativity" of the goal. Also, it comes from the same game from which the Moons and Stars icons come from!
I really like this idea.
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Fortranm wrote:
This is exactly what I'm thinking when I see the notion of this being "published", assuming it refers to the last step of the established Submission -> Judgement -> Publication workflow. Why make it an end goal to fit it into this workflow that starts with Submission when it is guaranteed to lack the core component of it?
I definitely agree it's a good idea to feature presentations like this in some form on site, but it's probably better to not use this workflow for it altogether. IMO the best solution might be to have a wiki page (with subpages if necessary) that documents TAS presentations at major events with a tab at the top navigation bar of the site that leads to it. Probably would make sense to limit the editing privileges to involved members for each subpage if each presentation ends up getting one.
This is similar to what I used to think about this for a long time - it makes sense, but at this point I don't think it does the presentations enough justice like that. Being an actual site publication has a lot of perks in terms of findability (being attachable to game pages, user profiles, tags, system pages, and whatnot), easy ways to maintain documentation and necessary files for every such presentation, and also some other benefits.
I don't think we need to stray away from our system of publication, when the aimed goal for these sorts of submissions is exactly that - to be published in a proper form on this website.
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So, let's break down the intents here.
• This movie does not fit in our current ruleset for any class, because all of them are beholden to several global movie rules that this submission blatantly violates, such as emulator reproducibility, dependency on human input, and not all content being included in the submitted file itself (and not even being possible to be submitted as such). Other posts already go in depth about this.
• There is demand, including from TASVideos staff and the TASBot group, for TAS showcases such as this one (and previous TASBot entries for GDQs) to be published, regardless of above point.
The sheer lack of compatibility with conventional movie rules (which all of our current nearly 5000 published TASes adhere to) means that the site can't even begin to try to change the rules to accomodate this movie. Anything the site would want to do here, would have to be done in complete disregard of our movie rules, because any attempt to tie those together is doomed to fail.
So how would TASVideos be able to publish this movie, if it doesn't suit the movie rules for any class? Here's my proposal: Create a new "Showcase" class. Nix every movie rule for this showcase class. The only requirements would be to have something for a movie file (perhaps it doesn't even need to be a movie file; just some sort of publication file, for technical purposes), and a video file it can be published with. The only acceptance criteria is that the product is endorsed by TASVideos or an affiliated organisation (e.g. TASBot). Give Showcase publications the same rights and values as regular publications, and also add some highly promoted page somewhere that lists and details all TASVideos-affiliated showcase movies/publications and write something nice about them. I think that's the sort of attention that submissions like this deserve - and nothing less.
We have a site now that we as staff should be able to do anything with. I don't think we need to be stuck thinking inside the box of movie rules. If we want to give this a place on the site, nothing should be stopping us from giving it a place on the site - especially not a set of movie rules that runs on an entirely different scope for what we normally expect out of a tool-assisted movie submission. That's trying to force a square peg into a round hole. There is no reason anymore for us to be doing that.
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<dwangoAC> This is a TAS (...). Not suitable for all audiences. May cause undesirable side-effects. May contain emulator abuse. Emulator may be abusive. This product contains glitches known to the state of California to cause egg defects.
<Masterjun> I'm just a guy arranging bits in a sequence which could potentially amuse other people looking at these bits
<adelikat> In Oregon Trail, I sacrificed my own family to save time. In Star trek, I killed helpless comrades in escape pods to save time. Here, I kill my allies to save time. I think I need help.
Moons icon with something different, in order to completely separate it from its past nature. My suggestion is to use the
note block from SMW, because in my opinion it suggests the idea of "creativity" of the goal. Also, it comes from the same game from which the Moons and Stars icons come from!