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Warp wrote:
I got the impression that "Virtual Console" is an (official) N64 emulator for the Wii, as in, it's an application that can be run on its own, and then you can launch N64 game ROMs (that have been downloaded from the Nintendo shop or wherever). Which would mean that the N64 games published for the VC do not come with an emulator and N64 system ROM in themselves (because they are part of the VC app).
I have to admit this is purely an assumption from my part. I haven't checked what the Virtual Console actually is. Is my assumption incorrect?
It's not really correct. There is no Virtual Console app - you just download a game, which comes in the form of a Wii program file (WAD) which is the emulator with the ROM embedded inside it. So, essentially, the emulator itself is a part of the game's (re)release.
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Patashu wrote:
Previous request to add old run to Obsoletely Fabulous is re-instated, then.
There's a topic for that sort of thing, where these sorts of requests aren't as easily overlooked.
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mklip2001 wrote:
How did you jump on fire in the screenshot without any ill effects?
It's "fire that burns your time". It accelerates the in-game timer (you can see it skip a few in-game seconds during this sequence) but does not harm or impede the character.
If I aimed for in-game time, I would have used the dragonfly form to pass this part (or skip it altogether and take the bottom route for a time-stopping item), but for a real-time oriented run I like the jumping action better.
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Tyler Kehne wrote:
I think it's kind of weird that console timing isn't in the conversation for being the standard. Like, it doesn't get any more accurate than that. I understand there are issues with determining the start point, but that seems minor compared to the inaccuracies of RDP emulation.
I would be fine with this, but this would still have the problem that the time would appear slower than the previous publication, which some may still find to be a problem. M64 timing wouldn't be controversial in this aspect.
By the way, since you and mkdasher have involved yourself into the discussion now, do you guys (being coauthors of the new run) have any interest in converting and submitting the new run?
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I would still prefer if one of the authors themselves submitted the movie (as BK2), but other than that I'm not asking for anything special. No writing is needed, the submission text can be all filler for all I care.
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adelikat proposed an alternative compromise: the movie is still submitted as a BK2 file, but the displayed time will be changed to reflect that of the equivalent M64 file.
Would this work for you? This would solve the SM64 community's gripe with the BK2 reporting an off time, while publishers can still encode and publish in BizHawk.
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Plush wrote:
What was not fine in the encoding of the 120 star TAS, for example?
You mean the one by our publishers, or something else? Did anyone else make downloadable encodes for that TAS?
If the former, nothing wrong with it - just that it took a month or two of a publisher's time. If the latter, what are you referring to exactly?
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Nach and I have recently been working on a new movie module which would include an easier rating system, but progress on it has stalled recently.
I agree that a rating star system like IMDB's would be much better, and it is something we're aiming to work towards, but this will take some time.
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Ethan White wrote:
Mothrayas wrote:
I like how simple you make it look, but entirely ignoring half of the argument does not really make a solution. There are reasons I'm not just immediately going there and those reasons need to be addressed properly.
The TASers can encode it if the publisher doesn't want to
Do you think they can reliably follow TASVideos' encoding standards?
Keep in mind this is more than just throwing a high-res dump on YouTube, it's also things like 10-bit 4:4:4 downloadable MKV files, subtitle placement, logos, optimal size to quality ratios for downloadables, and so on.
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FractalFusion wrote:
Mothrayas: In your opinion, which game(s) for this console do you think would make the most interesting TASes?
Other than the games I've TASed, Bugz (2-player) could make a pretty interesting TAS. I've not looked too deeply into the Uzebox library aside from that, but there are some fangames/ports of things like Mario, Sonic, Zelda, Donkey Kong etc. which may be interesting, and also many classic games like Sokoban, Tetris, Dr. Mario, and even games like 2048, Minesweeper or Family Feud which might provide something interesting at least.
The game library is not very expansive - you can take a look at it here.
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Ethan White wrote:
Mothrayas wrote:
How do you come up with a reasonable solution for each of these parties (that isn't just splitting both communities into going their own way)? I honestly have no idea at this point.
Allow Mupen. (:
I like how simple you make it look, but entirely ignoring half of the argument does not really make a solution. There are reasons I'm not just immediately going there and those reasons need to be addressed properly.
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As usual this topic has turned into a mess of personal attacks. What else is new?
I wanted to look into a compromise for the different parties involved here, but I (as TASVideos administration) am really just stuck between a rock and a hard place here.
It's clear that BizHawk's N64 emulation has issues with timing severe enough that Mupen actually looks like a preferable solution. This is a very poor situation in itself, but it's also not easy to change. N64 emulation in general is just in a very poor state and there are barely any decent options.
On the other hand, Mupen has plenty of encodingissues which makes them a very large pain to publish. This was also one of the main reasons that Mupen was blocked to begin with. Publishers simply do not want to touch Mupen because of how horrible it is to encode Mupen, and Aktan is also just one person.
With Mupen blocked, SM64 TASers clearly don't want to submit. With Mupen unblocked, publishers won't want to publish. With better N64 timing in BizHawk, this problem could be sidestepped, but who would or could make that happen? And how?
How do you come up with a reasonable solution for each of these parties (that isn't just splitting both communities into going their own way)? I honestly have no idea at this point.
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Since sonicpacker posted that he (and other SM64 authors) were fine with saving a BK2 update for a later small improvement, I suppose it would be fine to submit/publish it after converting to BK2.
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BizHawk 2.1.0 has been released! This release features new cores for Super Game Boy (using Pizza Boy), Sega 32X (using PicoDrive), PC-FX (using Mednafen), and Uzebox (using Uzem). Additionaly, the Lua interface has been overhauled for improved stability, and there are various other improvements.
See the full release notes here: http://tasvideos.org/BizHawk/ReleaseHistory.html#Bizhawk210
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Which would put it at the lowest once you discount movies that have no rerecord count listed and a few obvious error cases where movies ended up with single-digit rerecord counts.
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Since increasingly more avatars got affected (and I received reports about broken avatars breaking size limits), I've gone out and batch-replaced the remaining (187 at this point) avatars with this.
Hopefully this will entice anybody seeing this as their avatar to replace theirs now.
EDIT: I did archive all replaced PhotoBucket URLs, so if you lost your image URL, PM me.
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feos wrote:
if people really want to be told the same thing, fine.
feos wrote:
if people really want to drown in such pages, fine.
feos wrote:
If people really want that, fine.
feos wrote:
[I would agree]... ...if the tag didn't have the above problems.
Well, judging by "above problems", they don't seem that insurmountable if you're fine with all of them.
By the way, regarding an earlier point:
feos wrote:
Judge required
Some experienced person will have to go through the entire Moons and Stars lists and check whether a run is vaultable or not. In some cases it can be obvious, it some cases it can be tricky. So you can't rely on mere volunteers, because when we did, it resulted in an absolute mess with branch names.
I'm down for doing this, if there is an agreement in this topic.
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feos wrote:
When a user picks a movie tag to observe what it has, he has the idea of what he wants to see. All existing tags are very clear and descriptive, so you won't get confused by how they apply to movies.
"Side goal" tag will end up having the majority of existing tags, with all sorts of contradictions between the movie goals, that are still somehow all put together.
They will all have some unifying constant in that they're, well, side goals. You know you can expect something that is not a standard (any%/100%) way of completion.
Besides, having movie goals not perfectly overlap with each other is not a weird thing anyway. Take the 100% tags for example, where one is "all bosses", another is "maximum score", or another is "all items". All different things, that doesn't mean they can't fit under one banner.
feos wrote:
How does your preference of them disprove the point of huge pages being barely usable? See the posts I linked on why huge lists are not a good thing.
Pages up to 1000 entries are still pretty much usable, and regardless of the precise definition, this tag would come nowhere close. My estimates put it at around 200 movies.
Besides which, we already have various tags with more entries than that. "Takes damage to save time" has as of this writing 987 entries, and one of the genre tags has more than 1000 as well. If you really think this is an issue, then you would want to discuss removing those tags first.
feos wrote:
"Everything not any% or 100%" is well defined, but it's not what Habreno wants the new tag to be.
This is why I posit "everything not vaultable", as it is well defined according to the judgment logic that the site runs on.
feos wrote:
What I'm saying is that when the tag is applicable at all, it can require a counterpart if there are several ways of applying it, several ways of using the feature it represents. "Side goal" is applicable to all runs in a way that they either use it or avoid, but they all can have it. Not all runs can have "uses warps" or "avoids warps". Read my post carefully to see how it works.
"Playaround" is applicable to basically every game/run as well. Does that mean that we should tag every non-playaround run? We also have a "single level" tag, which also can apply to any game, so should we also introduce a tag to list all movies that beat the game, or that beat more than one level?
Bottom line is, there are quite a few tags that are technically applicable to every game. That doesn't mean they should have a counterpart, especially if that counterpart would encompass the majority of movies on this site. "Aims for fastest time" as a tag was removed for this exact reason. So the argument of requiring a counterpart tag does not really work.
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Radiant wrote:
feos wrote:
If you label, say, 30% of the runs "Uses a special goal", then you also have to label the rest 70% "Avoids special goals".
That doesn't appear to be the case. Only 309 of all movies are tagged with either "Uses death to save time" or "Forgoes time-saving death". Only 123 movies are tagged with "warps" or "no warps". Only 178 are tagged with "skip glitch" (which is somehow distinct from "heavy glitch") or "no skip glitch" (which for some reason is different from "no time-saving glitch"), and so forth. There isn't even a tag for "not a playaround", "no speed/entertainment tradeoffs", or "uses real time instead of in-game time".
...it seems that a number of tags aren't consistently used throughout the movies.
Forgoing tags like "forgoes death", "forgoes damage", and so on are generally taken to mean that they could've been used, and could have made a faster movie had they been used, but were deliberately chosen to be avoided. They would not apply in games where death/damage etc. cannot be used to save time, and would not apply in games that have no sane definition for it in general (How would you define forgoing taking damage in Tetris? How would you define forgoing death in Solitaire?)
Making tags like these have to apply to the 70% or 90% of all movies that don't do the described thing of course would make no sense.
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nymx wrote:
If this is not the case, then TASVideos should not have published a Practice Mode round by Saturn as a "Beaten Game".
nymx wrote:
This makes sense, since the previous TAS for this game is a single track.
I just want to note here that this previous F-Zero TAS was published in 2005, was dubious even then, and in the next decade and then some TASVideos never accepted any further single track TASes. If it were submitted today it definitely would not have been accepted. Do not take its existence as if it holds any precedent or is relevant for any current publication rulings.
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wesen wrote:
Hey,
I created a TAS for this game with the hardest difficulty.
The only differences in difficulty that I noticed are:
* Changing the difficulty costs time since I have to wait for the difficulty select screen to load
* More agressive enemies: Enemies attack faster when you are near them
* Tougher enemies: Some enemies must be hit more often to be killed (e.g. turtles)
* Under Water Boss has a lot more health (Easy: 6; Difficult: 14)
The under water boss health difference makes the fight over 30 seconds longer, while every hit looks the same and there's no difference in movement patterns.
It's an octopus which you hurt by throwing parts of stone pillars onto his head. You can see what the fight looks like here: https://youtu.be/qxranumIJ00?t=14m33s
Of course the TAS hits him as soon as he can be hit again and doesn't let him move around.
Mainly because of this boss I'd like to ask whether it would be ok to run this game with the easiest difficulty?
If the hardest difficulty adds nothing significant to the run but a longer bossbattle, then an easier difficulty is allowed. More on this is in the guidelines.
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These posts are talking about branch names, not movie tags.
We do have a more or less objective measure of what counts as any%; the Vault depends on it to function.
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I think it's a pretty decent demo for what it is. It's just really not suitable for publication here, especially since it's not actually a speedrun.
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<Masterjun> I'm just a guy arranging bits in a sequence which could potentially amuse other people looking at these bits
<adelikat> In Oregon Trail, I sacrificed my own family to save time. In Star trek, I killed helpless comrades in escape pods to save time. Here, I kill my allies to save time. I think I need help.
Hopefully this will entice anybody seeing this as their avatar to replace theirs now.
EDIT: I did archive all replaced PhotoBucket URLs, so if you lost your image URL, PM me.