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feos wrote:
I see only two differences/levels of highlighting/visibility of runs. Hiding Vault Vs. not Hiding the rest, and highlighting Stars Vs. not anything else.
Well, those are three different levels of visibility, right? How many tiers do we have right now?
feos wrote:
Hiding can be done by user defined rating cutoff (better since it's flexible, better since no run gets stigmated, which people are definitely arguing against). Highlighting of stars won't change. If we only want these 2 methods of promotion, they will still be there.
Right, but this has nothing to do with the idea of Vault/Coin and Moons tiers that were proposed.
feos wrote:
Quote me saying Demo is for "interesting" runs. It is for impressive achievements that don't meet the current standards of the main 2 tiers.
Are "impressive achievements" not interesting practically by definition? Either way, it's just wording at this point. Impressive, interesting, whatever, either word describes a similar concept.
feos wrote:
If you want, I'll also list people who want board games published. If you want, you can ignore them stating that, but it's no solution.
Go on with the list of people then, and then tell me where those people were when board games were being rejected for below par voting results. The only exceptional case I can think of is Othello, which was rejected for being trivial, and not for viewer feedback reasons - but that's a site rules issue, not a tiering or Vaultability issue. It's a different issue than what we have been talking about.
(I'm assuming "want board games published" here means "want board games published to Vault", since we have always accepted board games for other tiers).
feos wrote:
I'd say it's what opinions are for. How do I prove something is needed if it pops up every once in a while, has definite meaning, but isn't taken seriously by you? I'd think, only by linking to posts that want this tier, but it'd take a week to find them all.
How, exactly, is it "needed" by the site? I can indeed not take your argument seriously as long as you cannot answer that. In the links you sent me I've only seen two submissions/runs that actually could be published at all and aren't already. Lua scripts and multimedia files are outside the scope of site publications (due to verifiability/cheating reasons), and that is very unlikely to ever change. That leaves just thesetwo of your examples. So you are telling me this Demo tier is absolutely needed, for all of these two movies?
feos wrote:
It solves problems people unhappy with the current vault system (should I quote them all too by any chance?) have with it. Most of those who stated that in other threads now support the suggested change. Probably reading the posts I linked could help seeing what and how it solves to them.
Okay, so it solves the problem the current system has with subjectivity. But that does not give it a reason to exist at all in the new system. It's just division for the sake of division. It is not subjective division anymore, sure, but I ask yet again - what does it achieve? Why does this division need to exist in the new system?
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I still have yet to see an argument as to how or why splitting off any%/100% and esoteric goals from each other achieves anything at all. Again, what does that achieve? Why should, say, Super Metroid RBO be split away from Super Metroid 100%? What purpose will it have?
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feos wrote:
Mothrayas wrote:
The tier system was introduced to allow the site to function as an archive for speedrun records, while also still highlighting entertaining runs. Hence, we have Moons (and Stars) as higher tiers which are more easily showcased, while in the lower end we can still have speedrun records for less interesting games with less interesting runs for those who want to look for those games/runs.
If we remove the hierarchical tier aspect, then what is the point of having "tiers" (or whatever you want to call them) in the first place? How do you want to use that to highlight good runs, regardless of whether they're standard categories or not? It's just dividing exotic categories away from standard categories for no particularly good reason. Why does Super Metroid RBO have to be in a different grouping than Super Metroid 100%? What purpose will it have?
How does this hierarchical aspect function in the first place? We show stars and moons in movies by platform lists, and hide vault runs from there. We link to 3 tiers separately too (well, they appear in different recent movies lists on the front page too). That's all I can tell about it being hierarchical. If hiding lower part is the only way to showcase the higher part, I'd say we're not actually promoting anything.
On the other hand, stars and newcomer recs serve promotion well, since they are displayed on the front page randomly (depending on being logged in).
Stars are highlighted on the front page (newcomer recs is outside the scope of the current argument), Moons are displayed in all movie publication lists, and Vault movies are only there if all runs per platform are requested. That's all various differences/levels of highlighting/visibility of runs, and that is where the hierarchy aspect comes in.
feos wrote:
Mothrayas wrote:
The "tier 3" seems to introduce a new idea of concept runs that don't finish a game normally, and while we have a very select few of those on the site already, I don't see the reason to create a whole new "tier" just for what seems like it will be no more than a small handful of runs. Unless you want to change the direction of the site, away from focusing on full runs of games, but as long as hardly any currently publishable runs of that sort exist, I don't think it's a good idea to add a whole new "tier" for those.
I actually never intended to say it is for runs that don't beat the game. It is for anything that can't be in records or moons, but people still vote Yes for (and post their reasons in the threads). Right now, there was clear will to have board game tases published somehow. But Vault rules forbid those, Moon rules require being more entertaining, so board games meet neither, but people want them anyway!
More ideas about what can be sent to Demo tier can be found here:
http://tasvideos.org/Feos/Ideas.html#Brancheshttp://tasvideos.org/Feos/Ideas.html#Tiershttp://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14776
But all those pages just list cases that could be put to Demo, while deciding if that should be done can be by votes and posts.
Regarding board games, many of the board game runs that have been rejected, were rejected exactly because of the lack of interest value to them. If they were interesting, people would be entertained by them and voted accordingly, which hasn't really happened convincingly for many of them.
For the rest of it, I still don't really see this "tier" being worthwhile enough to have on the site, as it seems to be a dumping ground for ideas that might be somewhat novel but are still either just boring or are not actually proper runs/playthroughs, and also don't achieve the site's/current Vault's goal of being a speedrun archive. And I still haven't seen anything that suggests it would end up holding more than a small handful of runs.
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The tier system was introduced to allow the site to function as an archive for speedrun records, while also still highlighting entertaining runs. Hence, we have Moons (and Stars) as higher tiers which are more easily showcased, while in the lower end we can still have speedrun records for less interesting games with less interesting runs for those who want to look for those games/runs.
If we remove the hierarchical tier aspect, then what is the point of having "tiers" (or whatever you want to call them) in the first place? How do you want to use that to highlight good runs, regardless of whether they're standard categories or not? It's just dividing exotic categories away from standard categories for no particularly good reason. Why does Super Metroid RBO have to be in a different grouping than Super Metroid 100%? What purpose will it have?
The "tier 3" seems to introduce a new idea of concept runs that don't finish a game normally, and while we have a very select few of those on the site already, I don't see the reason to create a whole new "tier" just for what seems like it will be no more than a small handful of runs. Unless you want to change the direction of the site, away from focusing on full runs of games, but as long as hardly any currently publishable runs of that sort exist, I don't think it's a good idea to add a whole new "tier" for those.
feos wrote:
If you wish, I can scan through the thread and tell how many + and - posts were there for each of the above.
Post counts do not matter, people matter. How many people have agreed to these ideas?
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Warp wrote:
Samsara wrote:
Speaking of posting something in the context of a discussion, do you have any Vaulted movies you want to see moved to Moons?
Well, as I wrote earlier, I don't think any Vault movies should be moved to Moons. I think that the current Mooned any% and 100% movies should be elevated to Vault status. IMO.
Warp, there are other threads for debate and ideas on how site policy and tier structure should work. They have already been linked to.
If you have nothing to contribute to this specific topic, which is moving movies in the current site system, then please refrain from posting in this topic.
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I've been hearing about publishers having issues with the unicode used in author name field.
The submission instructions hold a rule that says special characters are not allowed in submission author nicknames. While this has not been consistently applied, in this case it evidently is causing a problem.
As such, xy2_, please change your given nickname in the submission form to one that properly conforms to submission rules and can be used sanely by publishers. If this is not adhered to, your submission may possibly be refused publication.
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feos wrote:
There actually is some kind of a consensus in this thread, between those who support this proposed system, I even posted pseudocode of how would judgment work, and how well the old submisison question would fit. It just never was really considered by anyone capable of applying these changes.
Before I were to consider anything, I would need to see some details of what your proposal contains, in one post. This whole thread is basically a whole jumble of ideas being passed around, and I can't make any sense of what of it is (still) relevant to your current proposal and what isn't, so please describe it succintly for me again so I know what we are actually talking about.
I also would like to know what this "consensus" consists of, because I've only seen a pretty small handful of people have any sort of agreement at best in this thread. In fact, the poll results seem to imply there is actually a different kind of consensus going on.
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dunnius wrote:
Then remove the 80% threshold from the guidelines if it isn't being followed (my signature is appropriate).
The guideline in question states votes are only one of multiple factors to take into account when judging tiers. It does not say "80% = instant moons". It gives it a decent case, of course, but it is not conclusive or guaranteed.
dunnius wrote:
Actually, having one poll question doesn't work. It needs to be split into two questions, one for whether it should be published (optimized enough, etc.) and the other to ask about entertainment. That way a judge can read the entertainment better.
The idea of the voting question (as it is currently) is to ask about entertainment. Optimization or publishability are determined by the judge and not by votes. The problem is that, regardless of what you ask of the viewers, they will vote their own things which will on occasion not align with the actual question being asked. That is something that cannot be changed (we tried, and basically failed). People still vote "yes for Vault" nearly three years after tiers have been introduced and the voting question changed accordingly.
This also goes for movie ratings - no matter how exactly we want to define 'technical' rating etc., people will invent their own qualifiers and vote according to their own ideas. Even for entertainment rating, which everyone can get at least a decent idea of, their metrics can still be all over the place. Anyhow, there is another topic about this.
dunnius wrote:
I find it annoying that people will rate the popular games, but can't be bothered to rate other movies on the site.
Of course popular games will get more ratings. That is how popularity works.
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Anty-Lemon wrote:
That's confirmation bias
Of course, it works either way. People who think it should be in Moons will see more proof for putting it in Moons, i.e. will be more generous with the ratings.
Confirmation bias is rating a run lower in advance because you believe it belongs in the Vault, not rating a run lower because it is in the Vault, which is the argument presented. Confirmation bias itself indeed goes both ways - those who believe it should be Vaulted will be more inclined to vote lower, and those who don't will be more inclined to rate it higher. Since the ratings are still roughly evenly split for Hydlide, it ends up balancing out.
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Samsara wrote:
Mothrayas wrote:
It has an entertainment rating of 5.8, not exactly what I would call "quite good". I'd have to see around one full point added to that before I would consider moving a run from Vault to Moons.
That's fair, though I think it's a bit high.
The reason it's a bit high is because if we're going to shuffle around tiers for movies, I'd want to do it only for cases where there is a good consensus for the tier change and where it is not just a very borderline case. Otherwise you get cases where movies can keep going back and forth across tiers depending on whatever people feel like on the day. It's not the imo-minimum to be a Moon at all, it's just where it can be less ambiguously considered a Moons-worthy run.
And I personally don't buy any arguments about Vault movie ratings being biased to be lower just because they're in the Vault, at least not without any sort of evidence. Without that, I just see empty rhetoric crafted for the purpose of defending this movie and a few others.
For me, Hydlide was just boring to watch, and I based that on watching it before any of us knew for sure what tier it'd be in. A good majority of judges also agreed at the time that it had to go to the Vault (based on entertainment merit we collectively saw in it, instead of voter feedback). About half of the rating audience still seems to agree, having given it a below-par entertainment rating. I'm going to need to see better rating numbers than that before I really believe that the 80ish% of submission yes votes was actually indicative of people finding the run entertaining on a whole.
Kurabupengin wrote:
Speaking of which, there was a Moons run with a 5.0, I think it was Tecmo Bowl by adelikat, I'm not sure.
Yeah, to clarify on this: if you are going to suggest a movie to move to the Vault, ensure that it Vault-legible. The Vault's rules are strict, and movies that do not fit into the Vault ruleset will default to Moons even if they were somehow published with poor ratings.
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Samsara wrote:
I'll start with, what else, Hydlide. This was a huge topic of debate around the time it was published, with a lot of people (myself included) thinking it was entertaining enough for Moons. It makes an unplayable game look entertaining and fast, and with AVGN exposure from way back in the day, I think it needs a bit more of a presence on the site without having to languish in the Vault. The rating's still quite good, too, and there are plenty of Moons that are less entertaining than it.
It has an entertainment rating of 5.8, not exactly what I would call "quite good". I'd have to see around one full point added to that before I would consider moving a run from Vault to Moons.
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[06:15:24] <TASVideoAgent> New submission! Go and see #4892: arandomgameTASer's GB Minesweeper - Soukaitei in 00:01.49 at http://tasvideos.org/4892S.html
[06:15:25] =-= TASVideoAgent has changed the topic to “Official IRC channel of TASVideos.org | Latest publication: [2990] NES The Guardian Legend (USA) by Zakky the Goatragon in 42:38.15 >> http://tasvideos.org/2990M.html | Latest submission: http://tasvideos.org/4892S.html”
[06:15:26] <TASVideoAgent> New topic by TASVideoAgent (WorkB: #4892: arandomgameTASer's GB Minesweeper - Soukaitei in 00:01.49): http://tasvideos.org/forum/t/17314 [a:1]
[06:16:45] <dunnius> hahahahahaha..... Is it April Fool's Day already?
[06:17:17] <arandomgameTASer> how dare u dis my life's work >:(((
[06:18:16] <arandomgameTASer> game doesn't have credits btw
[06:24:23] <TASVideoAgent> New reply by FractalFusion (WorkB: #4892: arandomgameTASer's GB Minesweeper - Soukaitei in 00:01.49): http://tasvideos.org/forum/p/421173#421173 [a:11]
[06:24:39] <arandomgameTASer> well shit
[06:24:52] <TASVideoAgent> Submission #4892: arandomgameTASer's GB Minesweeper - Soukaitei in 00:01.49 CANCELLED by arandomgameTASer: http://tasvideos.org/4892S.html
[06:24:54] <TASVideoAgent> Post edited by arandomgameTASer (Old: #4892: arandomgameTASer's GB Minesweeper - Soukaitei in 00:01.49): http://tasvideos.org/forum/p/421172#421172 [a:1]
[06:24:56] <TASVideoAgent> New reply by TASVideos Grue (Old: #4892: arandomgameTASer's GB Minesweeper - Soukaitei in 00:01.49): http://tasvideos.org/forum/p/421174#421174 [a:1]
[06:25:08] <dunnius> LOLOLOL
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[15:05:38] <Mothrayas> draw dolan, it shows some wrong answer initially, then add caption "gooby pls" and it turns into the correct answer
This is only a quick 20 minute work, so I'm sure it can be made a bit nicer in some areas, but there you go.
EDIT:
Alternate version (cropped down) with caption (using the font by samurai goroh)
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jlun2 wrote:
Congratulations on being the 2nd TAS where the any% is longer than the 100%.
Since any% is by definition the shortest percentage, "any% longer than (x)%" is by definition impossible. It just means that the any% is 100% in that case.
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Bobo the King wrote:
Mothrayas wrote:
ars4326: While you've received a variety of responses to this topic, some more or less on-topic than others and some more or less civil than others, I note you've only selected specific posters to answer to (both of which were more in the negative direction) and left aside a few (imo) interesting, and rational/scientific discussion points like e.g this and this. Do you have any interest in discussing with posts like these? So far, I've seen you just post out links and decry a few people's posts, but for this topic to have any value, I think some actual discussion would be nice.
Mothrayas, it sounds like you're considering locking the thread. I'm actually going to jump in to ars4326's defense in this instance. While I've made it clear I think his third-hand, centuries old evidence is ridiculous, I don't see the point in locking this thread. TASVideos has done far worse in its discussions (please don't make me look up examples...) and I believe locking the thread only serves to stifle the mostly free speech enjoyed on the forum. The guy believes in giants, so let him publicly believe in giants as long as discussion is civil and not disrupting conversations elsewhere in the forum due to spamming. Maybe if we continue the current line of discussion between ars4326 and Warp back and forth for three vacuous pages it'll be time to put the thread to rest, but for now, I think it's just a little harmless fun on everyone's part.
Anyway, it's your call. I don't think the forum will suddenly fall to pieces if you lock the thread.
I haven't really considered locking the thread yet. Only if it becomes clear that there is no room for discussion and that the topic is merely used as an one-sided soapbox - but I don't believe the thread has reached that point (yet).
I was just trying to rerail the thread to get some actual discussion going, because so far it has just been a shout-fest that wasn't looking to go anywhere.
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boct1584 wrote:
I believe in March he was trying to convey "I'm using v0.97 because there are time-saving bugs that were fixed in v1.00."
I'd like to hear some more specifics about this from Baddap1. What bugs were fixed, how do they affect the run, etc.
And I definitely would like to know what's with the starting from a savestate.
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ars4326: While you've received a variety of responses to this topic, some more or less on-topic than others and some more or less civil than others, I note you've only selected specific posters to answer to (both of which were more in the negative direction) and left aside a few (imo) interesting, and rational/scientific discussion points like e.g this and this. Do you have any interest in discussing with posts like these? So far, I've seen you just post out links and decry a few people's posts, but for this topic to have any value, I think some actual discussion would be nice.
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Relevant doc: http://lua-users.org/wiki/ScopeTutorial
In general, it's nearly always best to scope the variable to only the area where it's needed (so use local variables whenever possible). It doesn't matter in terms of speed or performance, but it ensures that your variable will not conflict with other variables with the same name, which can potentially save you a lot of headaches when trying to debug code if you are inadvertently changing around the same variable all over the place. Locally scoped variables allow you to use common-name variables (like "x", "y", or "i") repeatedly in different contexts without these different variables interfering which each other. Even if you think it is most likely not going to become a problem, it's still just good form and just a little bit of extra safety.
tl;dr: Use C.
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This is the same case as SMS Batman Returns - while the game only has a PAL release, it was also released in Brazil, which uses PAL-M, which is basically the PAL color system with NTSC frequency. As such, using NTSC speed is considered valid for these games.
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Regarding whether to call it best ending or not, I don't mind if Hetfield90, as a X3 RTA runner, disagrees with me about it. Even if the whole X3 RTA community disagrees with me, then sure, they're certainly entitled to their own opinion. But to say it may be "offensive" is absurd.
Regardless, I've said my piece, as has Hetfield90, and we both agree that the category in question is worth keeping as it was (and I'll settle with naming it "best ending, max%"). I'd like to see ars4326 get back to this topic again, to see whether or not he changed his opinion from the judgment statement, or is willing to defend it/debate about it.
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Personally I disagree with the idea of changing the other run's category name to 'just' best ending (without the 100% tag or at least a max% tag).
I also disagree with Hetfield90's statement that the best ending label is "artificial"/"arbitrary". There are clearly two endings to the game, one where Zero destroys the Sigma virus, and one where Zero is out of commission and Doppler has to sacrifice himself. In the former, Zero also joins X during the ending and credit scenes, and doesn't in the latter ending. I'd say that one is clearly a "better" ending than the other, even if you don't need to go out of the way to get the best ending. But that's neither here nor there as far as the broader issue is concerned.
About the distinction between 100%/max% for the best ending run, while it still misses out on one item, Mega Man X3 is a quirky game in regards to item collection, where you need to avoid certain items anyway to get "100%". All of the special chip capsules, save for the Golden Armor, are skipped, for instance, because the special chips are mutually exclusive to the Golden Armor. The latter is only picked because its features supersede those of the special chips. Similarly, there is a choice between Zero's "life" and his saber. This idea of "choice" is why I initially justified calling the other category 100% in spite of not collecting the Saber; because it's a choice of holding onto either Zero, or his saber. That said, I don't mind too much if people want to change it to max% instead.
Now, without the 100%/max% qualifier to the best ending run, we now basically have a low% run as far as item collection is concerned, and if the arm upgrade is faster, it isn't even that. I don't think there would be a point to that category, whereas the current max%/best ending run shows off the Golden Armor's features well while still having interesting and long boss (re)fights at the end. "Best ending" is now basically any% with Vile in Doppler 2 and with slower boss fights at the end.
Bottom line, it doesn't matter to me whether to call it 100% or max% or anything, but removing the qualifier of 100%/max% from the "best ending" run needlessly devalues the category in my opinion. I see from Hetfield90's post that he agrees that changing the category's definition is the better choice instead of changing the category itself, but it seems the latter option is what was chosen in the end anyway.
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The concept was pretty novel, and it's not a bad idea in theory, but the execution is very disappointing. The snake game has a pace that can be described as glacial at best, there's no sound, and the lack of directional sprites and no borders makes the snake's movement somewhat confusing at times, especially near the end when you're basically looking at a shapeless blob of 0's changing around. All of these just make the run a sluggish mess to watch.
I'll have to vote no to this.
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Is your FCEUX folder read-only by any chance?
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YouTube encode has been added to the submission.
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<adelikat> In Oregon Trail, I sacrificed my own family to save time. In Star trek, I killed helpless comrades in escape pods to save time. Here, I kill my allies to save time. I think I need help.
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We have a new judge entering the ranks.
Please welcome our newest judge, Samsara!
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<Masterjun> I'm just a guy arranging bits in a sequence which could potentially amuse other people looking at these bits
<adelikat> In Oregon Trail, I sacrificed my own family to save time. In Star trek, I killed helpless comrades in escape pods to save time. Here, I kill my allies to save time. I think I need help.
This is only a quick 20 minute work, so I'm sure it can be made a bit nicer in some areas, but there you go.
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Alternate version (cropped down) with caption (using the font by samurai goroh)
