http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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Hilarious video, great effort.
Would love to know how you did this. Looks like it was a lot of work.
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I've done some testing a few years back with this game. Zipping and screen wrapping glitches still exist in this version, and I think the select glitch also still exists in this version (although it's slower, because you have to open the menu to do it which costs extra time). Lag glitches most likely do not.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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jlun2 wrote:
Wait, there was a 100% TAS of this submitted way back? TIL. :P
"Submitted" isn't exactly the right word. Look at the date and description of the old publication in question.
For the record, that run used to be marked as obsoleted by the 2006 "warpless" run, but this was changed around because that run has the same goals as this run. It makes more sense this way.
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boct1584 wrote:
I liked it. Fast movement throughout and lots of enemies dying quickly. Yes vote.
Also, what was the music from the Wily levels? I know I've heard it but am having a brainfart on where.
Wily 1 is Wily 1 from Mega Man 10, and Wily 2 is Wily 3 from Mega Man 7. I don't know what Wily 3 is.
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The list of all Moons is a pretty large list, and the site cannot handle displaying that many publications at once.
You'll have to work around it somehow by applying more filters to your search, to limit the number of publications you get at once.
It would be nice I guess to have some sort of pagination system for publications, but the site coders tend to be busy with all sorts of other things so it probably will take quite a while before something like that would happen.
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dwangoAC wrote:
...I'd hate to see this relegated to the vault on a technicality.
Just because the run is a vault category does not mean it has to go to the Vault. If viewer response is good enough, both current runs can coexist in Moons just nicely, unless there is a consensus for this run to obsolete the other one (which there doesn't seem to be). The runs do not need to be separated by tiers.
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Past mistakes do not justify repeating the same mistake again. It was an error to publish the Ninja Gaiden movie as it was (although back in early 2008, emulation accuracy was not nearly as much considered as it is now, and Dega-rr was not exactly known for being a quality emulator anyway).
EDIT: I've seen (through other sources) that Ninja Gaiden was released in Brazil as well, so this point is moot.
Greenalink wrote:
The rom file named "Batman_Returns_(UE)" syncs perfectly fine with this submission movie file, if the runner just used that rom, it would be accepted.
"Batman_Returns_(UE)" seems like a mistaken ROM name, as the game was never released in the USA. Besides, it does not matter which ROM was used; if a run syncs on any known good ROM (with proper settings, etc.) it is considered valid.
Greenalink wrote:
SDA's rules are not our rules. This is something I looked at while considering this submission, as well as another forum topic on SDA about the timing of PAL SMS runs, but either way I would not consider a run valid just because SDA does. Here on TASVideos, we have a strict(er) policy on making sure to be accurate to the game/hardware as it was released; as the ROM was only released in PAL regions, it should be emulated as a PAL game. Running a PAL game inside a NTSC SMS or PAL60-modded SMS causes the game to run faster than it was intended (where it was released); hence this site doesn't allow such settings.
Greenalink wrote:
Edit:
From btrim
"The game was released in Brazil, which means it ran at 60Hz in a released region."
PAL-M is a 60Hz system
This, however, changes things. I knew the game was released in Brazil, and I knew that region used a form of PAL, but I did not know that PAL-M was 60Hz. Since this means that indeed the game is released in a region where it ran at 60Hz, I'll unreject and accept this submission.
My apologies for any inconveniences to the author and to everyone else involved. Regional settings are a giant mess and information about it is widely scattered all over the internet. We should find some way to get a centralized resource of region settings for this site, so that we can tell what kind of settings are valid for any region.
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Wow, that came absolutely out of nowhere. At such a young age (23), too.
I know she had been an incredibly productive and passionate programmer for Dolphin who did a ton of work to get Dolphin's TAS tools. Without her, we likely would not have had Wii TASing right now.
Her activity on Dolphin development will certainly be missed.
RIP
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Radiant wrote:
The entire reason why the vault doesn't have board games is because the site as a whole had a "no board games" clause which actually predates the existence of vault.
What?
There was never a "no board games" clause before Vault, they were just accepted or rejected depending on whether game choice was good/the run was entertaining, just like every other game. A number of Monopoly runs have been submitted and published back in 2006, several years before tiers or such a clause were introduced.
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Radiant wrote:
I randomly came across this old submission while browsing the site... it was basically rejected for not being entertaining enough.
Given how the other run for this romhack is entertainment-focused and is in Moon tier, would this speed-focused run be eligible for the Vault?
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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ALAKTORN wrote:
@Moth: I’m pretty sure after much debate about those ACE runs Nach posted about official SNES mouse/keyboard controllers that could do those inputs?
Yes, but those don't fall under my definition as "stock" controllers, even if they're official.
That's not my point though; controllers (official or not) could send any sort of input to the SNES, including left+right or a missing button, and the SNES would take it as valid input. But I guess it depends on whether you count any sort of input data streamed into the console, or only input data sent by officially licensed controllers for the system.
Regarding official or unofficial controllers: there's a fair amount of both first and third party Famicom accessories, including an official Famicom keyboard, but I don't know how it works in terms of sending input to the Famicom. Might need some looking into.
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Yeah, left+right is an inaccurate comparison, as it is possible to do it on console with stock controllers (at least for some systems, SNES most importantly) and has been demonstrated to be possible plenty of times.
A better comparison would be the four missing SNES buttons that are used in many of the SNES ACE runs. There is no way to press these on a stock controller, but the console accepts it as valid input. Thus, the question is whether 2P Start on the Famicom is correctly registered as input by the console. If it is, this run is valid; if not, it is an emulation error.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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Warp wrote:
jlun2 wrote:
Now that I think about it, despite this complaint about ratings and votes being hard to gauge, along with requests for allowing ratings to be done on the submission bench, what's stopping it from being implemented?
This was done once in the past. Somehow the result wasn't satisfactory (even though I don't remember now what the exact reason was.)
There's a whole big thread about it: Thread #7313: Submission voting (VOTE what we'll do!) [TASK COMPLETED]
Skip to this post on page 13 for post-implementation discussion on why it failed.
It failed at the time for two reasons - one, it overly complicated the voting process, which scared away a lot of voters (including site veterans). You have to think about 0-10 rating numbers much more than for a simple "yes" or "no". Second, people at the time noticed a massive inflation of the ratings with the new system (which is actually similar to the current issue, submission votes/ratings being much better than publication ratings).
It doesn't seem like it would solve any problem, and it would just make voting harder for everybody.
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Yeah, I'm going to have to vote no.
The music quality sounds pretty bad and the noise SFX hurt my ears. The graphics mostly look like white and grey MS Paint shapes and some mediocre player sprites. Gameplay looks a little simplistic but most notably, very short. It's also a Game Maker game, but I won't go in depth about my opinions regarding that.
It probably qualifies for notability (if just barely), and the run itself looks to be of good quality, but that's about the only good thing I can say about this movie.
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feos wrote:
Warepire wrote:
Sorry to say but this looks too much "mobile device". I don't find this to be an improvement when browsed on a computer.
I do agree with CoolKirby and Kurabupengin: Excellent for a mobile site variant.
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Warp wrote:
I don't think the current tier system would exclude adding a fourth tier where things like board games and more esoteric notable TASes could be published.
Anyway, since the rationale behind the current Vault/Moon tier system is to help find the most liked TASes, I was curious to compare the lowest-rated Moon runs with the highest-rated Vault runs.
It turns out that a non-insignificant amount of Moon publications have a relatively low rating, the lowest combined ratings being 4.1, 4.2, 4.9, and 5.0. In contrast, five Vault TASes have a combined rating of 7+ (7.3, 7.2, 7.1, 7.0, and 7.0.) A quite large amount have a combined rating of 6+.
Does the current Vault/Moon tier division really reflect popularity that well?
Many of the Moons movies you listed are movies with categories that disqualify them from the Vault, and aren't great entertainment-wise but managed to get published anyway. Some are even from before tiers were introduced. And yet others are published to Moons due to positive viewer response when it is submitted, yet receive low ratings when it is published. There's a notable discrepancy between submission voter results and movie rating results at times.
The Vault movies you listed all have entertainment ratings of around 6, but have higher technical ratings that boost the overall rating. Even Vault movies can have high technical ratings even if they are just average by entertainment standards, resulting in a 7+ overall rating.
Zekrom101 wrote:
This is what i thought when http://tasvideos.org/3383S.html was rejected back in 2011.
I really would like a tier for those board games or games like WarioWare, Professor Layton, Phoenix Wright, etc. just for the technical record.
I don't think we should reject any submission because of the GAME, even if they're boring as hell, it's the technical fastest time with frame perfect text skipping or RNG manipulation that matters, at least for me.
WarioWare is a different case than the board game genres or other genres of that sort. It was rejected not because it was an unacceptable genre, it was because due to how the game works, the speed record is effectively trivial, and therefore meaningless. We expect a modicum of effort being required to get a speed record for a publication, and games like WarioWare fail that criteria.
It's debatable whether with the new Vault idea we can start accepting trivial speed records like WarioWare, but I would argue against it. I'd like to see publications still be meaningful records, even under the new system.
feos wrote:
So far, I can't recall a single post saying "board games should not start being accepted". Was there any?
Under the current site system I would not accept board games. They don't conform to the quality standards of publishable games for this site. This is why we are discussing new systems that lower these standards.
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Warp wrote:
Mothrayas wrote:
1) Entertainment value will always be subjective and up to opinion. We can't do anything about this. I still feel such a division is necessary; otherwise we would be putting Super Metroid in the same category as You Have To Burn The Rope. The tier system exists to separate them so users can more easily find the higher quality runs. But naturally, there will always be borderline cases.
Doesn't the rating system take care of that?
The rating system does very little in the way of filtering, which is what the tiers are used for. (The movie pages by default exclude Vault movies, unless you select "All" movies for a particular system).
The only movie page affected by rating is the obscure Popular Movies page, and as it automatically sorts by rating, it is not exactly easy to browse for a particular movie/game you may want to look for.
Warp wrote:
Additionally, for me to consider it, I'd like to see a single organized post that details exactly what your idea is. (If there is such a post and I've missed it, please put a link to it.)
I suppose these two are like that:
http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=394886#394886http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=394961#394961
In short, the new "vault" would contain all any% and 100% TASes, not just the "boring" ones, the new "moons" (suggested "coins" in the thread) would contain all other game completions that are not any% nor 100%, stars would be like currently, and additionally there would be a fourth "demo" tier for anything else noteworthy or that doesn't fit into the other categories (this might include eg. board games with no clear game completion).
It's just a suggestion, and open to improvements.
I suppose this is very similar to what I have suggested in this thread, the difference being that "Vault" would contain all any% and 100% runs, not just the boring ones. (Also another significant difference is that the suggested tier system would remove subjectivity, since it's entirely goal-based. With the exception of stars; that's ok IMO.)
The problem I have with this is similar to what I already stated, you would have Super Metroid and You Have To Burn The Rope in the same "tier". For that matter, it puts runs of the same (high) quality level in different tiers (with e.g. SM 100% in one tier, and SM "Reverse Boss Order" in the other tier) - which undermines the hierarchical structure of tiers, as both tiers are now more or less "equal" to each other. In effect, the whole concept of tiers is now negated, and it just splits the site content in two categories, esoteric goals and non-esoteric goals. It solves the ambiguity issue with tiers, but negates much of their purpose as well, which is to filter out lower rated runs and make the high quality runs stand out more (regardless of whether they have an esoteric goal or not).
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Warp wrote:
feos wrote:
It was suggested, that Vault game-based criterion is lowered, Moons entertainment criterion is raised, and a middle tier is added, a to-be-defined tier.
I'm not sure I agree with that proposal (at least how I understand it from your description).
IMO the current tier system has its problems, but they are related to subjectiveness: A submission of any game is published if it gets a reception that's "positive enough", else it's published in the dumpsterVault, but only if it's an any% or 100% completion.
The major problems I see with that are: 1) the division is highly subjective and up to opinion, 2) it completely leaves out many games and even entire genres if they just aren't "entertaining" enough, and 3) it unfairly gives the impression of Vault publications as somehow "inferior".
I don't see how the change you mention would correct any of those problems, except perhaps that more games would be accepted (which admittedly would be a positive change).
The proposal of a complete rehaul of the tiers was discussed in length in that other thread some time ago, so there's no need to go through that again. (Although I still don't know exactly why it wasn't accepted.)
If that proposed rehaul is not feasible for whatever reason, then why not simply do as I have suggested, ie. just create a fourth tier for those submissions that do not fit anywhere else? I think it might be the easiest solution. (Although I would prefer the rehaul. Many people object to the bad reputation that Vault has, and I agree with them.)
To address the problems you noted:
1) Entertainment value will always be subjective and up to opinion. We can't do anything about this. I still feel such a division is necessary; otherwise we would be putting Super Metroid in the same category as You Have To Burn The Rope. The tier system exists to separate them so users can more easily find the higher quality runs. But naturally, there will always be borderline cases.
2) This is covered by lowering the standards of the Vault. By lowering, we mean things like board games and other such genres can be accepted to the new Vault even if they currently are not accepted at all.
3) Due to the nature of the Vault, it's hard to shake off such an impression. It was after all created from the need to 'lower' our standards. The new proposal will likely not make it much better, but it will also mean that much fewer runs are affected by the "Vault stigma". Perhaps the raised focus on different genres like board games and the like may make the tier appear more 'quirky' than 'bad', but it's not terribly likely.
The rehaul proposal you mention has not been implemented for the same reason that no other change has been implemented: there's a lack of interest and site coding manpower with site management, who are rather off putting time into their own projects. Additionally, according to the poll in the exact same thread the rehaul was discussed, 75% of voters disagreed to change the tier structure. I'd like to see some more support if we were to go that route. Additionally, for me to consider it, I'd like to see a single organized post that details exactly what your idea is. (If there is such a post and I've missed it, please put a link to it.)
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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z1mb0bw4y wrote:
Mothrayas wrote:
@z1mb0bw4y: I'd be willing to talk about the qualities (and lack thereof) of board games and how we can fit them in our site structure (see above), but I can't take you seriously if you try to argue that Tetris is a board game. It is a video game, no physical board nor physical pieces are involved.
If you want to get technical about it, the Jenga game for DS isn't a board game either. All pieces and boards for that game are contained within the DS software and nothing about them is physical.
The Jenga video game is an adaptation of the board game. That is what the site rules mean by "board game" - just like Battle Chess is an adaptation of the chess game, and NES Othello is an adaptation of that board game. None of them are "literal" board games, but they are adaptations.
z1mb0bw4y wrote:
Tetris board games have been made and pentomino board games predate tetris significantly.
The Tetris board game (if it exists, but I'll just trust you on this one then) is an adaption of the video game. The video game is the original.
And again, Pentomino != Tetris
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All that aside, my main point was that "chess has been made at least once on every platform and would result in too many publications" is a poor excuse when you look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Tetris_variants
I've never seen a game rejected from tasvideos because "It's just another tetris game".
Vault or not, various Tetris games were accepted even before tiers were introduced, and those would have been accepted for being interesting enough games on their own. Chess runs and other board game runes failed the criteria at that time, and were sufficiently bad that they were deemed not even good enough for the Vault - hence, the board game rule was created at the time.
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That discussion is from some months back. There was an overall agreement to the idea, but it just never left the idea phase. Getting more coherent writing about the ideas, site implementation etc. would need to be left to adelikat or Nach, the latter of which I don't recall being involved in the discussion and the former of which tends to be busier/more interested in other stuff than site coding, until eventually we all forgot about it.
I personally think it would be an improvement on the current system - currently, to me, Moons seem too diluted and I'd like to see them go back to "notable publications" rather than 60% of publications, and scaling Vault down to only the truly "low"/Vault-esque publications, including other low-end games like the board games a lot of people seem to be clamoring about.
The middle ground would, in my mind, just be tierless/nameless, like old pre-Vault TASVideos. In effect, what I'd want to see would be similar to TASVideos as it used to be, just with the added Vault for those who are interested in those runs that didn't meet the old (or even current) game choice standards.
@z1mb0bw4y: I'd be willing to talk about the qualities (and lack thereof) of board games and how we can fit them in our site structure (see above), but I can't take you seriously if you try to argue that Tetris is a board game. It is a video game, no physical board nor physical pieces are involved.
For the record: I didn't just reject that submission because it was a board game, I rejected it because I didn't feel the game conformed to the site's standards as a proper, serious game. That is exactly why the board game/game show game/sports game/educational game rule is there in the first place. I know some people disagree with that rule, and that's what the new four-tier system idea is for, so let's focus discussion on that.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
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