The difference, Phil, is that you are using your phantom improvements as a means to taunt cardboard and I, to try and feel superior to us when things don't go your way. I don't expect you to write a novel, or even a complete fucking sentence, so the polite thing to do there is to just work on the improvement yourself.
1st of all, they aren't "phantom" improvements.
2nd, I don't taunt because things aren't going my way. I am not even author of the precedent run.
3rd, I was giving my opinion. By default, "I think" should be placed in front of every sentences on workbench forum.
So "I think" I also noticed some improvements here and there but "I think" I also noticed couple of minor errors here and there and some of them weren't in Genisto run.
I may be wrong, it may be indeed "phantom improvements" But after testing, it wasn't the case. And you know that I am right which makes you angry.
Also, you shouldn't consider "there are minor errors here and there" as an insult from me. But you should take it as a compliment. It means that your video is almost perfect and pretty good. If I would say, there are lot of errors, some are major, it would mean the video is not so good.
4th, You can't accept that I didn't like your movie because you did used a different version. So you had decided to "Publicly accuse me of insulting you". Doing so is even more insulting for me.
P.S. Guys, he is talking about his Bionic Commando submission.
JXQ wrote:
Hero's entire point is that behavior such as yours stalls the overall community's goal of producing entertaining movies. If you truly had that goal, as you claim to, then you would reveal improvements so that if you do not get to them right away, someone else can take them, study them, learn from them, perhaps find more based off of them, and produce a superior movie. That is truly a community effort, and produces the best movies in the shortest time.
This is a goal you claim to be for, but are obviously not based on your, once again, hypocritical actions: you keep improvements for yourself, stalling their inclusion in a movie on the site. What's worse is that you make sure that everyone knows that you thought of them, simply for your own self-recognition. This is a selfish and egotistical act that does not help the goal of the site, and makes you look like a, as hero put it, "dickhead".
Where did you posted improvements for Hitler no Fukkatsu when you decided to beat Genisto? Afaik, you wrote in your personal page that you are doing Bionic Commando and then 1-2 weeks later you submitted Bionic Commado. You didn't even asked people if using the US version is a good idea. That's "selfish and egotistical act". That's a "pride movie".
Also:
In Bionic Commando submission thread, JXQ wrote:
Lastly, though mostly unrelated: Cardboard and I plan on improving this run at some point in the future.
Where are the details? You know that I am working on it, why didn't you reveal what you know? I even asked you if you will give me some time to finish it and you answer "No".
And you dare to call people "Hypocrite", because I am not only guy that you did pointed you finger. In fact, I think you are like that. Oh no, it's not me who should read the definiton of this word, I think you should study it carefully.
Finally, after all this mess, saying that you'll improve it means that you agree with me that there are improvements possible which is even more hypocrite. Also, what I try to explain and didn't know if it works is that you act like if your actions are better than mines. And you think you help the site to be better more than I do.
Ok so, so far. Since I can't improve a game made by someone else, unless I wrote a novel trying to justify what are the improvements, then does it mean that the game is own by the author?
Whats your point? Why didn't you just post the improvements in the SMB2 thread so that we viewers could know why his run was so poorly made?
I never said such claim. Are you sure you are talking about the warp version? I admit that I said such about the warpless run but the "yet his movie was better than yours" doesn't apply since I never did a warpless run before.
hero of the day wrote:
Or maybe if you posted the improvements, he could have made a new run and we would have a better run on the site than we do now.
If I would have posted those improvements, it would mean that the movie is finished which is not the case.
hero of the day wrote:
Who ever said anything about a novel?
Me because it will need a long text to describe everything.
Also, what you are trying to explain is that anybody that improve a run without telling "secrets" is wrong. There are outnumbered of people doing that(Most people here). And I am repeating, so far it did make the site far better. Not worse like you try to claim.
hero of the day wrote:
Since I made this post, phil edited his post to say how he never edits his posts. Oh my goodness!
And Donamer didn't do so. And X didn't do so when he did improved y's run. Is the the site worse? No because movies are, in the end, better.
The 1st goal of this site, afaik, is to host great movies. Not to have novel that take longer to read than watching the said game.
And no, I don't edit old posts. That's free and stupid accusations.
Yes, by saying I am improving it implies there are errors. What are you trying to prove?
P.S. Btw, I don't see such claim in the SMB2 submission thread.
You claim that DonamerDragon's SMB2 movie has flaws, yet his movie was better than yours. What does that make you? Seems like you missed all of his little improvements in your run didn't you.
Where, When?????? Is it an attempt to insult me?
mmbossman: Searching verb "to dwarf". Nothing found. Rephrase it.
If you are not enough patient to study the movie to understand those "supposed" "secrets", then you are no match to do that game. Sorry but that's a fact. Giving you the answer won't help but if you find it by yourself, you will understand the logic and maybe create a better movie. That's how I work when I improve a run. And so far, not to praise myself, I almost always did great movies.
Whining and such won't help you. You are pretty lucky that some people do those movies and took hours and hours of their free time. Do you think that they want to write novels just to explain you things.
Hero of the day: Also, if you want to be it then start doing it yourself because I don't even remember you doing that.
Mr. JXQ: When I said there are minor errors, do you think I must write a novel? Because that's what I will need. When there a 50 minor errors and that it needs 20 lines or so trying to describe each of them, no, I don't want to do that. I am saying they are there so that maybe you could notice them yourself since you did tased it, you should have enough experience. Apparently, it works since you intend to improve it without telling anybody what you are trying to improve which makes you not even better than me.
While it may true, I never understand that. We are aiming for perfection. So are you telling me it's impossible? If yes, then we should aim for something else. What's the point to try reaching a goal that is impossible to reach?
HotD said "don't make claims of perfection", not "don't aim for perfection." Of all the people to misunderstand that *cough*SMB2*cough*
They are related.
hero of the day wrote:
Well Phil, how many runs on this site do you know can be improved?
I can't count them. There are lot of them. Also, I didn't watched many runs lately.
hero of the day wrote:
Instead of posting about the possible improvements, you are improving the runs yourself. These are what I call secrets, because the improvements are SECRET to everyone but you. Even if the run is going to be made publicly available, the information may be useful to someone else who is also working on the same run improvement at the same time.
If I say there are improvements and that I will do a run, then there are no secrets. Also, if someone is working on it and don't tell anyone, then he is indeed "secrets". And many people know that I am open to joint effort to work on a game. So if that person want to do it on it's own, that's what I call "competition" and this breeds perfection.
hero of the day wrote:
The amount of work is irrelevant. It isn't the author's game. Why wouldn't you just be happy to see a better run?
I didn't said it's someone's game but that after much effort, it's normal he is proud of his movie.
hero of the day wrote:
I am telling you and everyone else right now. No run will ever be perfect.
I don't agree but in many games, unfortunately, I admit it is true. Btw, you didn't answer my question. What is our goal if we can't reach perfection?
hero of the day wrote:
That hasn't ever happened. It will never happen. If you wanna play for Ego, you are just stalling the progression of the site.
It has already happened. As for me, ego of some people doesn't affect me. If I want to work on a movie, I will. In fact, competition always produce good movies.
Edit: Also this is in contradiction...
hero of the day wrote:
Instead of posting about the possible improvements, you are improving the runs yourself. These are what I call secrets, because the improvements are SECRET to everyone but you. Even if the run is going to be made publicly available, the information may be useful to someone else who is also working on the same run improvement at the same time.
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hero of the day wrote:
The amount of work is irrelevant. It isn't the author's game. Why wouldn't you just be happy to see a better run?
#1 - Do not keep secrets. People who keep secrets are playing for pride or ego. Keeping secrets just so your run will be better than someone else's when you are done is just foolish and counterproductive. All information should be shared with the community in order to produce the best possible movie, regardless of author.
It depends of your definition of "secrets". If someone do a run and tell people that he is doing that without posting WIP, is it "secrets"? Also, no matter what an author do, in the end, the movie is publicly available, so there are no "secrets".
hero of the day wrote:
#2 - ENJOY SEEING YOUR MOVIES OBSOLETED. How many people here say that? not very many at all. I enjoy TASes because they push the game to the limit. If someone manages to improve upon a game that I really like, then this is a good thing. There is no reason to get angry. If you are so full of pride that you fear seeing your runs obsoleted, that is just sad.
#4 - Do not become emotionally attached to your work. It's just a fucking game. If someone beats you to the punch, don't cry about it.
Personally, 2 and 4 mean the same. Maybe not for you but for some people a TAS is a dedicated work that needs hours and hours of work. Not just a game. It's normal that an author is emotionally attached.
hero of the day wrote:
#3 - Never make claims of how good you are, or how perfect your run is. Arrogance is absolutely useless, and it is a fine way to piss off your fellow TASers. Beside, claiming perfection is the EPITOME of pride.
While it may true, I never understand that. We are aiming for perfection. So are you telling me it's impossible? If yes, then we should aim for something else. What's the point to try reaching a goal that is impossible to reach?
Also, another question, what is the problem that someone do a movie for ego or not? If the movie is good, most people don't care. In fact, I always find it to be a lame excuse to reject a movie. Imo, that's ego doing that.
"No" for my 1st or 2nd question?
Edit: If not clear:
1st. Will you give me some time to finish it?
2nd. Is it a good idea to do both so it will be easier to compare?
Lastly, though mostly unrelated: Cardboard and I plan on improving this run at some point in the future.
I hope you will give me some time to finish Hitler no Fukkatsu. I was wondering if I should do Bionic Commando too to help people compare the differences. Oh no, your video can't be compared since I can improve it.
I didn't encounter major problems while doing this run. The only thing that I had noticed is that the movie desync when playing it twice. But it also happened with 1.43 and probably will in 1.51 (I hope not).
Because there are some bug on Bisqwit site. If you send a file with same filename that exists on his site, it will use the old file. :S. That sucks. I am 100% sure I didn't send my old file since it's been erased.
Edit: Btw, if you would have used 1.502, you wouldn't be able to play this wrong file since it's incompatible.
Edit2: Now, I am not 100% sure if I sent the correct file. It's just that I got confused by someone that told me this situation happen too. It seems, somehow, that I have a copy of my old version on desktop zipped as Super Punch-Out!! (U).zip. I always put files that I will send on my desktop. I don't understand why it was there since I didn't even needed that file before/while/after working my run. In other words, that sucks :S
Imo, using the multiplication glitch would make the game easier = not interesting. All you have to do is attack and move on. No plot, politic or anything else needed. Well, not 100% true depending of the scenario you play.
Personally, I would go with 4 but on Playstation. The music is better and loading time is much more faster on it than snes.
I was tempted to do a strategy game like that, maybe Rise of the Phoenix since it's shorter, but I am afraid that people would get bored.