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Posted: 1/15/2014 1:57 PM

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That's a good point actually. Could someone please explain why there is a rule that "a board game, sports game, or game show game" is not eligible for the vault?

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Posted: 1/14/2014 11:26 PM

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The submission text explains that the RAM state at the start affects the RNG; but I question the usage of save states for this. I think it would be better to (a) prove that a real NES can start with the particular RAM state you want, and then (b) force the emulator to start with that state instead of zeroes. If Fceux cannot do that, I'm pretty sure BizHawk can. Anyway I'm afraid I don't find this particularly entertaining. Unlike the famous Family Feud run, it's just repetitive and not funny.

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Posted: 1/13/2014 11:38 PM
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The following movies are from a branch that was named "glitched" in the past, but has since been changed to unnamed. It would be prudent to keep the labels consistent on the entire branch; therefore I suggest that these should have the "glitched" tag removed.

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Posted: 1/13/2014 7:35 PM

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Derakon wrote:

Adelikat did a TAS of Reallyjoel's Dad mode in Hero Core, which sticks you in a room with every single boss in the game active simultaneously. I don't think it got submitted for publication though.

Now that you mention it, I've seen that. I wonder why it wasn't published, perhaps because it requires a savestate with the difficulty unlocked?

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Is it just me, or is suplexing overpowered?

Without TAS abilities, it's very hard to pull off without getting damaged.

Zarmakuizz wrote:

Iji from the same author seems impossible to do in reallyjoel's dad difficulty even in TAS.

Oh, don't worry - Iji is plenty ridiculous if you put it on Ultimortal difficulty with Turbo mode and Max Charge Tor. Unfortunately you need to play it on lower difficulties before those get unlockable. That reminds me: we need an Iji TAS :D

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Posted: 1/13/2014 12:27 PM

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This is possibly our first TAS for a game difficulty mode that's designed to be utterly impossible? Just to show how ridiculous it gets - I'm pretty good at this game, and in RJM difficulty I can't even get past the second room... I dare anyone to try that in a non-TAS playthrough :D

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Posted: 1/13/2014 11:24 AM

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Patashu wrote:

Exploding the Princess is considered the 'best ending' regardless.

By whom? And how can it be a "best ending" if it gives the exact same ending sequence as not exploding the princess? That strikes me as contraditory.

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Posted: 1/12/2014 9:08 PM

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Glitcher wrote:

Oh come on, a "low glitch" category now? That's about as arbitrary as it gets. Why not go for a "40% glitch" run instead?

I agree; we shouldn't use that label, and instead label it "no foo glitch, no bar glitch" or something.

Warp wrote:

The real problem is what happens if someone makes a new submission that uses a different set of glitches (and avoids the rest)? Should it be accepted? Should it obsolete this one? Who makes this decision?

I suppose the burden is on the person submitting the new movie to show that it's entertaining enough (and different enough from the existing movies) to be accepted for Moon Tier. Then the judges can decide whether it should obsolete an existing movie or start a new branch. That said, this particular movie strikes me as rather arbitrary, so no vote from me.

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Posted: 1/8/2014 5:08 PM

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I'm having trouble seeing the difference between this one, Star Tier, and the Recommended-For-Newcomers tier; all three appear to be "the best of Moon Tier" and are somewhat nebulously defined beyond that. Generally speaking it is true for most any TAS that it is "pushing the target hardware to limits, doing things way better than expected, putting huge effort and knowledge into creation".

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Posted: 1/3/2014 10:03 PM

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The princess says it best -- Awesome!

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Posted: 1/3/2014 10:21 AM

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jlun2 wrote:

The previous pokemon gold movie is GBC Pokémon: Gold Version (USA/Europe) "no memory corruption" in 2:54:27.15 by FractalFusion. However, that's not a vaultable movie, since if it were to be in that tier, it has to be the fastest possible without any limitations on glitch abuse.

Good point. So that movie should either be moved to Moon Tier, or be marked as obsoleted by this recent movie.

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Posted: 1/1/2014 7:42 PM

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I think it would be interesting to continue the discussion here about which movies to remove if Star Tier becomes too large. As recently discussed in another thread, Star Tier is not "the fifty highest-rated movies on the site", so that means that merely having high ratings is not enough to move a movie into Star Tier, but it also means that if the tier is too large, dropping the lowest-rated movies is not necessarily the best approach, but other factors should be taken into account as well. With the most recent addition to Star Tier, the five lowest movies in that tier were dropped out; I believe the best approach would be to restore those five, and discuss here which movies should be moved to Moon Tier and why.

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Posted: 1/1/2014 7:33 PM

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Psycho yes vote!

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Posted: 1/1/2014 7:32 PM

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Well, this certainly fixes the issue with the previous run.

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Posted: 1/1/2014 7:28 PM

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I'm generally in favor of the tag "best ending" whenever a game has two or more endings, but I can think off-hand of some games where this doesn't really apply (e.g. Streets Of Rage, which has the regular ending and the kill-your-teammate-to-become-the-new-crime-boss ending, which doesn't really strike me as "best"). I'm not aware of Braid having multiple endings though. Sure, you can explode the princess or not, but that doesn't change the ending you get.

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Posted: 1/1/2014 7:24 PM

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I'm very much looking forward to a TAS of this game!

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Posted: 12/18/2013 11:17 PM

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Mothrayas wrote:

I think the decision was made then (when that one was found out to be inappropriately published in the vault) that such movies would go to moon tier regardless of rating.

That works. It reenforces the principle that the Vault is more than simply "all movies with ratings below some value", just like how Star Tier is not merely "all movies with ratings above some threshold". None of the tiers is an automatically generated list, and judges have put careful consideration into where to place movies. It should go without saying that this is a Good Thing. (besides, if people want to see an automatically generated list, we've got those too; it's just that the Tier system is a more detailed classification than that).

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Posted: 12/18/2013 9:25 PM

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jlun2 wrote:

"Wouldn't a vault version be something akin to the Pokemon Yellow TAS in that it should also utilize save corruption to skip to the Hall of Fame as soon as it starts?"

Assuming such a run exists, yes. Since this is a different game than Yellow, we're not sure if this can actually be done; but if/when such a run appears, it would make sense to rename this one to "no memory corruption" and move it to Moon Tier.

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Posted: 12/18/2013 5:50 PM

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Mothrayas wrote:

The cutoff rate for Vault is an entertainment rating of 5.7 or less

This raises an interesting question of what should be done if a movie's rating falls below this cutoff point, and it doesn't fit the Vault criteria otherwise (i.e. it's not an "any%" or "100%" run). I don't think we have any such movies now, but at some point in the future we probably will.

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Posted: 12/18/2013 2:10 PM

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It's funny how that old page of NesVideos has a list of suggestions for runs that includes Mega Man 3 through 6, with the comment that they might be too boring... ...and then came this! :D

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Posted: 12/18/2013 2:14 AM

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Excellent! And with a site like this, you just know it has somehow crammed 11+ years of existence into 10 years of real time.

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Posted: 12/16/2013 9:51 AM

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To avoid debate over what the term "new game+" means exactly, I would suggest using it if the game itself uses it. For instance, Chrono Trigger actually calls it new game+; whereas several Castlevania games simply unlock other characters, and then we call it e.g. "Julius mode".

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Posted: 12/16/2013 9:46 AM

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zaphod77 wrote:

The "glitched" branch is generally used when an any% that does not use the particular glitch that totally breaks the game also exists.

Well, this is precisely why we have had this discussion. Some people thought that "any%" means "the best looking run" and that "glitched" means "the fastest run". However, this is incorrect. By definition, "any%" means "the fastest run", and we have Moon Tier and Star Tier for the best looking runs. That is not something we arbitrarily made up; the term "any%" is older than this site. Also, "the run that shows off most of the game" is known as "100%" (or e.g. "all souls", "all levels", "all stars" etc).

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Posted: 12/15/2013 10:24 AM

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ais523 wrote:

My suggestions for the rules would be as follows:

That sounds reasonable. Would it be fair to summarize this as saying that runs should start from a blank slate (no passwords or saved games); it's generally fine to use a password or saved game if this is only done to unlock a new game mode, character, or difficulty level; other than that, exceptions can be made only if the runner can demonstrate and convince people that this is interesting enough for the site.

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Posted: 12/14/2013 9:49 PM
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There are currently three movies in Vault Tier that are not "any%" or "100%". Since the Vault Tier criteria indicate that only these goals should be in that tier, I suggest that these three be moved to Moon Tier.

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Posted: 12/14/2013 9:47 PM

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I agree with Warp that it makes more sense for Star Tier to be a hand-picked list of most demonstrative TASes, not a list of which movies get the highest votes. After all, we already have a list of movies with the highest rating, and a handmade list has added value beyond one that is automatically generated from the database. There is an ongoing forum thread with discussion on movies to add to Star Tier; as far as I've seen, this process works perfectly fine, and as the result the Star Tier is a meaningful cross-section of excellent TAS'es. I have no strong opinion on how large Star Tier should be; however, I think that if it gets too large, then it would be better to discuss on the forums which movies to remove, instead of simply dropping the lowest-rated ones back to moon.

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