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Well, the current rule is that we publish every indie and homebrew game, no matter how crappy, so long as somebody puts a few minutes of effort into TAS'ing them. So under that rule, this should go in too.
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blahmoomoo wrote:
True. I guess I should have said linear adventure games (like KQ5 is when you know everything you need to do).
I think the issue is not so much that adventure games are bad to TAS, but the issue is that KQ5 is a bad adventure game.
At least, by modern standards. It was a groundbreaking game back then, with its VGA graphics and voice acting, but it hasn't aged well. KQ6, for instance, is much better, and offers a low% and a 100% ending. KQ1 and KQ2 have alternative solutions for many puzzles, and large parts of the game which are optional.
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blahmoomoo wrote:
I'm not sure if it's worth making movies of adventure games (that don't have major glitches to make them entertaining), but I guess they qualify for the Vault now.
There's always route planning; and some of them (but not KQ5) have alternate solutions, or large parts of the game that can be bypassed.
For example, in Quest for Glory 1, if you play a rogue and max out your lockpicking skill at the start, I believe you can walk into the secret entrance to the brigand's lair, right from the start.
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SmashManiac wrote:
The other popular counterargument is "softlock is an arbitrary/uninteresting/non-valuable goal". While it is an arbitrary goal in the sense that it was not as designed, there are plenty of TAS with arbitrary goals already published, like the "reverse boss order" Super Metroid category.
It's important to realize that the site rejects most arbitrary goals. We've had all kinds of discussions about runs with the lowest score, or runs with minimum buttons pressed, and so on, and all of those were rejected. Super Metroid is really an exception here, not the rule.
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I strongly dislike this gimmick. Yes, games crash sometimes, we get that. There's no point in showing videos of that, it's not impressive. Do you want a picture of the BSOD I got last month?
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Warp wrote:
Are we now accepting anything that anybody submits? There are no minimum standards? I mean, like, completing the game or something.
Yes, there are minimum standards. In particular, only "any%" and "100%" runs are eligible for the Vault, so anything that fails to complete the game is not.
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Mitjitsu wrote:
While the run has already been published. I'd like to point out that it should have been rejected for not choosing the hardest difficulty setting, which can be accessed by using a cheat code at the start of the game.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/nes/587618-silver-surfer/cheats
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Reject. Doesn't play at highest difficulty, and is not meaningfully different from a non-tool-assisted run. Also, this is arguably a board game, and board games don't qualify for Vault tier anyway.
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adelikat wrote:
This movie by the current rules of the Vault this movie seems eligible. But I think it provides a good test case. We want to accept versions of games on other platforms, but how similar is too similar? Is this too similar even for the Vault?
I'd say what matters is not whether the game looks similar, but whether the TAS is similar. If the TAS of the port uses glitches or tricks that the original doesn't have, or requires a different route, or has a clearly different definition of "100% completion" then I would like to see both original version and port on the site.
For example, for Prince of Persia, we have a run of the NES (which closely matches the PC original), the Genesis (which has different physics) and the SNES (which adds several levels and boss fights).
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Heisanevilgenius wrote:
I'm a fan of Archon and this is a pretty good strategy so I'll give this a mild yes vote. I kinda prefer the C64 version of the game, though. The NES version kinda looks and sounds ugly.
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I agree with the people above that this is using a password, which is not acceptable according to the site rules. Regardless of whether it moves you to level 16 or to the endgame, it's still a password.
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jlun2 wrote:
DarkKobold wrote:
Perhaps I'm wrong, but since PC games are so easy to make, it seems like we need to draw a line, like we do for hacks.
I agree. The same should to be done with flash games if they are ever TASable.
I agree that we should have some standards for self-published or unpublished games. They are basically the PC equivalent of romhacks on e.g. the SNES, and just as with romhacks there are a few great ones, amidst a sea of tens of thousands of shoddy messes hastily copy/pasted together. And let's be honest, if this were an SNES romhack, it would be rejected before you could even blink.
