So by that logic then any pile should be accepted as long enough people find it entertaining. So if someone wants their TAS to be accepted they just need to get enough people who think it's entertaining to vote, no matter how much of a disgrace to this site and the contributors their TAS is. And the fact that it says "goal fastest real time" is of no importance.
No. You're disregarding the other values this site adheres to. Speed and entertainment are both equally important. >_>
There's also the issue of optimisation.
Read the Edited post, suppose it they added that?
Why are you belaboring the quesion? What values are you trying to upload by providing such opposition to stick on B? How are you serving the community?
I expect he's trying to preserve the ideal that people should follow the rules.
As for your previous question, it depends how technical you want to get in your description, but it's a massive grey area right now because nobody has really given it any thought. If you emulate the Wii/GC versions, we have the nested emulator issue. Runs using nested emulators have been rejected on this site previously, so following that logic the Wii/GC versions wouldn't be accepted here at all...
However we can say that the VC/GC emulator could be considered part of the game on those platforms, so that you're technically no longer emulating an emulator. This would only make sense for the sake of actually having the runs up on the site though, and not in any techncial manner.
Make a thread about it in Sites and people can talk about it there, this isn't really the place for it.
It depends. Opinions are funny like that. Subjective matter generally is.
Depends on what? Also, my point isn't one of subjectivity, if it's of utilitarian society values. Our society functions largely on maximizing utility, and especially for certain things, weight of opinions is one of these. To maximize utility we should give most weight to the most informed opinions. Just like we should give the best flutes to the best flute players.
... right. This is a website about video games (look up what games are for, btw), not a utilitarian society. Entertainment is just as important as speed. (in my opinion) Since entertainment is entirely subjective based on who you ask because not everyone likes the same thing...
You get the idea. I hope.
Let me bold the important words in your post there buddy.
Spider-Waffle wrote:
You may know more about OoT than I do, but your opinion on a TAS of it is no more important than mine.
I can't see how his opinion wouldn't be more important. That's why we pick gurus on subject they're judging for judges whenever we can all throughout human society (I'm sure some animal societies too)
You mean to say if 11 people from an amazon tribe where shown the TAS and asked if they liked it and all said no, because it wasn't rainforesty enough, and 10 people who were gurus on such TAS all agreed it was the greatest TAS ever made, then we should not accept it because no one person's opinions matters more than another's with respect to accurate and relivent judging?
Is your opinion on what score a figure skater should get just as important as the figuring skating judges' opinions?
Is your opinion on economic policy just as important as Obama's or a world leading economist?
Is your opinion on academy awards just as important as a professional movie critics?
Is your opinion Video game movies just as important as a professional and video game movie critic?
Is your opinion on whether a TAS should be accepted just as important as someone is a guru on such TAS?
The answer to all of your questions is: It depends. Opinions are funny like that. Subjective matter generally is.
This is a pointless discussion.
If you can get the GC version working under Dolphin, by all means go ahead and TAS it.
Doing it under Mupen isn't allowed, though, for obvious reasons. :p
I'm implying that TASvideos shouldn't accept movies that are crap. In this case they (you) clearly did and everybody who knew a little about tasing this game could see it.
Even superplay looks good to the untrained eye. Does that mean tasvideos should lower itself to except every piece of crap?
Abeshis run was not even tased with the TAS input plugin. That should have been a big red flag for everybody. Even if they were blind.
You and I seem to have different expectations of what a TAS constitutes. You know, super-human displays of skill in a video game, where the primary goals are entertainment and speed. It was entertaining and it was faster than the run the site had at the time. What's not to like?
Yes, abeshi's run wasn't 100% optimal. I personally wouldn't call it crap, but since it was never originally created to be submitted here, and was done so by request of the staff, saying we should've then rejected it because ~the elite~ thought it was bad while the majority didn't is a little bit stupid, don't you think?
This is all really offtopic though. You seem to think that since TASVideos accepted abeshi's run, that they'd accept this one? When it quite flagrantly violates the rule that this TAS was rejected for? Good luck.
Yeah right. TASvideos has proven that they will accept almost anything, when they accepted abeshis OoT any% TAS, when everybody who knew the game told them how shit it was.
Are you implying that TASVideos should leave the movie judging to only those people intimately familiar with the game? You should probably think that one through.
You may know more about OoT than I do, but your opinion on a TAS of it is no more important than mine. It was submitted at the request of adelikat, and people voted that it should be published, so it was published. ;p
Does this mean you might look into revising that rule? I'm not saying you should remove it entirely because everyone switching to the J versions of games just to save a handful of frames on text would be ridiculous, but in cases like this where a significant amount of time is saved due to the switch, it might be an idea.
Going to be the voice of dissent and say I would love to vote yes. I really would. But as the rules say text speed isn't a reason to play on the J version instead of the U version, I can't really agree with this movie being published. It's technically sound and impressive to watch, though. So props on that.
I'll abstain from voting.
Edit: I think the rule is pointless in this case though. I can see why it exists but it should really be applied on a case-by-case basis. That's not a discussion for this thread, however.
Slowking: Ignoring the rules for the sake of convenience is retarded. They're there for a reason.
Your trick may be possible on 'a' real console, but it's not possible on the console mupen emulates. This is the point you seem to be missing.
That said, nobody is stopping you doing your TAS of the 'entertaining route' using mupen. It just won't be accepted here.
This is my first post in this thread recently, Synx, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. Yes, a run using the route other people want would mandate it being done on the VC/GC versions. That much has been said already, I was just pointing out to Slowking that TASes must be theroetically possible on the console they're done on. Since that route does not work on N64 because it requires an emulation inaccuracy, then the TAS wouldn't be accepted on the N64 version.
Yes this site does have stupid rules left and right, but what interest me right now is how something can be considered not legit when it works on most iterations of the game on real consoles. And how it is a better idea to use an emulator in another emulator instead of just straight up using an emulator.
I can't help but feel like you're missing a rather obvious point here. If it doesn't work in the N64 version of the game on console then you shouldn't use it in a TAS of the N64 version of the game. It's not rocket science. If you think that's a dumb rule, then you're obviously unaware of what the site is for and should probably read up on it.
This isn't relevant to this run though, but emulation inaccuracies like that lead to rejected runs, a.la SML2.