Heh...Radix is seriously against this whole "sub this" thing...I mean, he's not against it really, but he thinks it is a psychological thing and people who get good times think they're not doing well unless it is "sub this" or "sub that".
Well, who would make a TAS and not have it be perfect - that was what I was addressing. But, if you meant how do you know it isn't a TAS with the purpose of deception...petty obvious...no TAS video looks like it was done on a console...something graphical always tips it off (frame out of place, too crisp of graphics, buggy graphics at some points). And as you said, somebody would have had to have developed this ability without anyone here knowing (or if they did, they were keeping it a secret).
I've played Goldeneye 007 and I know about The-Elite. But I am sorry, the longer a video is at such high precision, the harder, to me, it is to reproduce. That is why an hour long video of this SM 64 run surpassed any 007 run I've seen at The-Elite. If it had flawless Bowser fights, then it would be extraordinary. For me, the bowser fights brought me back down from the "high" of how cool everything else was. The fact he ended on a mistake with a mis-toss in the final battle...ugh, so unfortunate. I'd like to see somebody else do the run, though...as in...though it had those mistakes, it's not like just anyone can beat it...
Now...if somebody did a 007 Run maxed out everything and did all the levels in a speed run...and reproduced the Aztec Temple video quality play level...but all of it in one sitting...I'd retract my statement about the 007 videos.
Michael, yes, it’s a new WR. There’s also a slight chance that it might not be beaten.
Keyword "slight" ;) If I see this video, I believe at the bare minimum I can match it. I hope you intend to send it into SDA, though.
Edit: After consulting with two others on this, there is an extremely risky option plausible for a human run that actually nobody has considered yet and it's being researched on emulator at the moment to verify it's worth it and doable. If it is plausible, whoever completes the run this way will never lose the title unless somebody pulls off that TAS. The route could yield 30 mins by my initial estimates.
Either way, eliminating the extra HCs - which I assume you get the one from Level 4 -> Level 1 (along lakeside), the one on southern shore south of Level 2, and one South of Level 5 in desert, that's at least 10 seconds for the first two which are en-route, and about 24 seconds for the off route one (I know you hate screen counting, but it's 8 screens your way, 4 screens the optimal way in terms of the spot where your path breaks from optimal to reach Level 2). I takes 3 seconds to cross a screen in a line. 3x4 = 12+10 seconds for heart + you don't go in a line across all those screens (I guess 2 seconds extra) = 24 for my guess. This is if you skip the Magical Sword, which is also more time (1 screen off course, 4 tiles up, 4 tiles back + time in cave with man). So, you're looking at like 14 seconds there.
That means there is at least 58 seconds to improve. Coupled with the fact I believe with enough attempts and skill, people can beat this game very skillfully without getting damaged much and very exceptional use of bombs. I think at least a minute can be shaved off your time. But then it is slower for the White Sword verus Magical. So perhaps it's only 20 or so...who knows...with less damage done per attack.
I already knew about this - Fierce brought it up a few months ago in the SDA thread. What you do is you jump to the middle, but hang off, then climb up and he'll fire. Do spin attacks to ensure you hit the ball back (it seriously is not easy to see it). Then go off on him.
Voted no - This should be sub 2 hour. You're so close - and as pointed out, there are things you could do faster. Not to mention this game is relatively "unknown" - not many people are experts on it to give you advice on strategies or tricks for some things.
I am sure there is more to be found...perhaps just publish it to get people out there to get involved.
Arg...I seriously thought sub 2 for a regular speed run was possible...oh well.
Truly Spectacular AVIs
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J/K
Categories:
1. Altered Gameplay Video - a run of a game that involves one or more of the following alterations:
- Save States
- Slow Downs
- Foreign Devices (turbo controller, game genie, action replay)
- Cheat Codes
2. Standard Gameplay Video - a run of a game that must meet these criteria:
- Played on original system or licensed emulator with no modifications to give any advantage/disadvantage
- Must only incorporate abilities and options available in-game (i.e. saving)
- Must be a version of the game licensed or approved by the creator
Now, there are various Altered Gameplay Videos:
1. Fastest Completion
2. Highest Score
3. Aesthetic Demonstration
4. Technical Demonstration
And there are various Standard Gameplay Videos:
1. Fastest Completion
2. Highest Score
3. Aesthetic Demonstration
4. Technical Demonstration
Both types of videos also come in:
1. Single Segment
2. Segmented
And within these two categories are two more variables:
1. Uninterrupted (you start a game, and play through to the end without dying or leaving the gameplay file)
2. Interrupted (I.E. Up+A warping in LoZ - you leave the game file or gameplay and return to an area you normally wouldn't if you played through normaly, or using deaths to speed warp to a spot).
You can keep breaking it down if you want...
It is possible to skip the Goron Tunic if you get the Scarecrow's Song, and you figure out a way to stay alive long enough against Volvagia - if you die of heat, the battle re-starts. So you'd need to get more HCs I believe. If I am wrong about the battle-reset, you still have those few second "delays" to wait for you to re-spawn and begin.
You actually can skip all the Heart Containers now, I believe, thanks to the new trick in the Water Temple that lets me bypass the longest underwater segment. I am not 100% sure about getting to Ruto and surfacing, though...I will need to test how long that takes.
Just make a video of a linear path (it's usually best to do it along a wall so you know each time you do the same straight line).
Side hop.
Walk backwards.
Back Flip.
Roll.
Then open vDub and do a frame check. I think this is a bug, though - the bug is partially fixed in Majora's Mask (Deku Link can still burn rubber walking backwards, but he's so small it's not faster than other things).
EXISTING IMPROVEMENTS (Will Yield 4:55):
1) Get 2 rupees in grass, climb ledge, get 1 Green and 1 Blue from jumping off fence, get 2 green and 2 Blue in maze, try go get 2-3 from inside maze by cutting bushes, get 1 green from back flipping after exiting maze, get 1 Blue from sign, get 2 green from grass near platforms, get 1 blue from hopping platforms, get 1 blue from behind shop counter.
2) Get 3 Deku Sticks from Deku Babas, 3 from Darunia’s Chamber, 1 from pot on way out of Goron City, one in Zora’s Domain Pot
3) Try running backwards across Hyrule Field
4) Push one block to very EDGE of moat and climb it to jump to other side.
5) Try not Z-Targeting Poes in Forest Temple
6) Use hookshot ascent rather than warping out of Water Temple, then jump to corner with High Grab (allows you to skip extra key). Do this after getting key from bomb room.
7) Use “crouch stab” on Iron Knuckle as Kid and get Shield in room from chest of Spirit Temple, as well as Queen Gohma.
8) Use hookshot on ladder in room with block in Shadow Temple.
Hmm...sequence breaks in Forest Temple already in my head...skipping bridge break cutscene by dropping down...using backflips to bypass certain small walls...boss battle trick I want to try out...
::whistles::
The two "flaws" so far (yes, I redid some parts) are the Darmani Ghost thing (because I saved over the file and can't go back to it) and stepping on the switch in Woodfall to activate the ladders (though it lets me aim quicker).
So, 40 seconds from those two things...and perhaps another 20 from the other small things here and there so far.
Again, like with The Minish Cap, this is more of an exploratory speed run - trying to just do one to see what I can get and then work from there. Sub 3 hours isn't happening in this game...but Sub 4 needs to be done from what I've learned so far.
This run can't compete with the run up - he wasn't going for pure speed and I am sure he spent a lot of time on the first cycle doing stuff. I would recommend checking out the latest 2 segments...you can see Sequence Breaks in Majora's Mask now.
I wish this panned into something...I like seeing Zelda stuff :(
So now that you have LoZ/AoL/ALttP...where are the GB/GBC/GBA ones? I'd really like to see a LA or TMC one...
Oh well...I'll be back to Zelda 1 eventually. Gonna need your guys help for a fastest human route (and yes, you all get credit!)
I want to see an Ocarina of Time time attack the most of any game. I really hope you guys find a way to do one nicely, and I will lend all my help to it to see what it yields.
ALttP, I was beaten by tricks and route ammendments. The video was not better skill (except on the Kholdstare battle, but then he had a new strategy).
I will admit, I am not the best at any other Zelda game. I am sure, in the end, somebody else will beat me in every other Zelda game in existance. However, I swear on my life I will not give up Ocarina of Time, and if I had to bet my life, it would be on Ocarina of Time and my ability, in the end, to hold the record for it.
You will never beat my new OoT run. I promise only a time attack will beat my final OoT run, which could be as low as 4:40, or 24 mins faster than my current run up.
And if I wanted to...I could probably do better than that with semgents...cuz there are some strategies only logical in a segmented/time attack run that I know of now that are extremlely too difficulty to do in a SS.
In secret, I've been practicing OoT a lot even while I do these other runs...and MM is a great follow into my OoT run I will do next. Don't mean to sound arrogant or rude, but OoT is the one game on this planet I will never relinquish so long as there is a breath in my body. And I will have it.
Would you believe it if you could beat Puppet Ganon in under 2 mins?
If you have infinite patience, and the greatest of precision...you can hit the first phase's "blue ball" without cutting down any strings if you hook up to a platform.
You can also hit the spider phase before he lands as soon as he stops spinning in the air.
You can hit the Worm puppet faster...I was about to start my chain trick, but I missed that one time...
Oh well...I'm not a fan of this game, somebody else can pwn it.
Nevermind the videos are a performance, and thus the performer retains (C) to the performance, since assuming the purchased the game, they retain legal right to the property (video games you buy the product, not just the license to use it).
Things that would take longer:
Each head of Trinexx
Defeating Trinexx's body
Defeating Moldorm in Ganon's Tower
Any enemy you use the charged tip+swing tactic vs spin attack
Ganon battle.
How long does it take to get the sword? I tried to do it in my head...time from getting Silver Arrow to moment you can move after getting sword (you have to walk out, so don't factor that).
I think it is 5 seconds for the text to activate, then 1 second for text, 1 second for toss, 3 seconds for fairy to appear, 2 seconds for text, 3 seconds for fairy to fade, 2 second for item hold, 1 second for text.
So...18?
