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Posted: 11/16/2006 6:12 AM

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Very nice! Very good damage boosting really. And perfect enemy manipulating, I hate that part:). I was wondering... If you are damage boosting a lot during the game, will it be worth taking a heart container later? The best place taking one would be in dungeon 3. Guess you can easily manipulate some heart drops whenever you need... Looking forward for the next part! EDIT: Was checking my run, and you are 1½ minute faster than I was=P. I thought it that your run would be even faster, hmm. As you use S&Q and pit walking... Oh well. When I'm looking on my run I see that I can improve with more than I though... Going to make an improvement next year I think..

Posted: 11/15/2006 7:57 AM

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Oh, haha, how stupid I was in dungeon 2:D. You don't need the first key, lol... Nice dungeon maps alert! I was wondering in dungeon 1... With the moving platform and the two buttons. Can actually jump down and start pitwalking there?:O. I must say that your way in dungeon 5 wasn't the best one really. And what do you mean by skipping a key...? There's no place you can skip a key:O? Or which key lock did you mean really...? Beacuse in your route you passes 5 key locks, and collect 4 keys, huh? And I can't see how it would be faster to go to ladder a in the beginning instead of shooting with the seed shooter on the switch and take ladder b at once, hmm... I haven't timed the two routes, but I can honestly not understand how your way could be faster. You also got a different way in dungeon 8. I'm shooting on the switch instead of pressing the button and walk around the stairs. Guess your way is faster this time:). But you have stolen the rest of the route, haha ;D. I shall look up the bombs to see if you really need to take the bombu upgrade. I think it's better to manipulate an enemy to drop, or just lift from a bush or similar... And the rings, you will swim quite a lot during the game, isn't the swimmer ring a good idea then? EDIT: pirate_sephiroth, I don't know which animal E_alert will get for his run, as he can chose much easier which one he shall take. And I think dimitri is the fastest one at the carpenters. EDIT AGAIN: Ok, I'm on with the bomb routes for Ages. If you look at my testrun, a Crescent Island, I get a bomb refill under the rock without losing any time. Try to do that as well and you will have 9 bombs after that. (And don't care about the bomb I laid in the cave, haha, didn't mean to...). Then you will have 9 bombs in the beginning of dungeon 3. ANd now it's time for my lesson... Ok, in dungeon 3. I belive it is faster to throw a bomb at the rabbits instead of using a bomb, and the moldorm can be killed with one bomb only. You will then have 4 bombs after the moldorm, 3 after the switch, 2 after bombing the block, don't take the bomb refill that I do. Instead manipulate the statues to drop bombs for you. I don't think you will need the bomb refill, it wont save you time... Got a break again, so it's time to continue with the bombs:). At the statues in dungeon 3. Drop one bomb so you will kill the statue closest to the switch at one, make him drop a bomb refill. Then you will have 5 bombs, and then you need like 2 or 1 bombs for the rest three. I guess it's quite hard to manipulate them to die in one bomb. Make them drop 2 refills so you will have 10 bombs left. Throw a bomb at the last tile as I did, you will have 9 left. In dungeon 4 you need one bomb to get the switch hook, you will have 8 left. Dungeon 6: One bomb in the beginning and I will continue with the rest later.. Got maths now;D-. LAST EDIT: You need to use 6 more bombs in the dungeon, this mean you will have two left. In dungeon 7, with the two jars you have to use the switch on to get to the other side, manipulate bomb refill here. Or els from some enemies. 6 left. To dungeon 8, 1 bomb. You can manipulate a bomb drop from the jars in here too. 9 bombs left. In dungeon 8: 8 bombs are needed throught the dungeon and 3 bombs on the boss. This mean you need a refill somewhere in the dungeon. I say the boss, this wont lose time. And the overworld routes for Seasons is done: http://files.filefront.com/Overworld_Routes_Seasonstxt/;6192417;;/fileinfo.html Those weren't too good, as there wasn't much to say. My run and Ego Buffs

Posted: 11/14/2006 7:00 PM

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Alright, good luck with it. EDIT: Overworld routes for Ages are done now... Will make Seasons tomorrow. http://files.filefront.com/Overworld_Routes_Agestxt/;6187733;;/fileinfo.html

Posted: 11/14/2006 6:32 PM

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I don't think I mentioned every place you could pit glitch, thought you could see most yourself :D. About the miniboss... Could you manipulate them so you hit them both with one bomb? That would save time I presume. Haha, don't compare too much with my run on SDA, it has some failures. But I've said that if I haven't mentioned about some routes, my run is the one you shall use to find the best way, but don't forgot Ego_Buff's run either.

Posted: 11/14/2006 2:24 PM

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Have you looked through my dungeon routes? What did you think? I'm going to start working with overworld routes now, hehe:D. And after that... Hmm, don't know... EDIT: I forgot to mention in my dungeon routes for Ages that the Power Ring lvl 1 shall be taken in dungeon 1, forgot to mention dungeon 1 at all actually, haha;D. So I will do it here instead: In the room with the two buttons and the moving platform. Only take the button that makes the chest appear, and pitglitch after that. When you take the bracelet; S&Q. Take the boss key and go to kill the boss. Am making the overworld route for Ages, shall be done tomorrow.

Posted: 11/14/2006 7:05 AM

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VERY NICE! Haha, totally owned up that dungeon. :D :D

Posted: 11/13/2006 2:39 PM

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I have finished my dungeon routes now! Both OoS and OoA http://files.filefront.com/Dungeon_Routesrar/;6181057;;/fileinfo.html Ask if you don't understand everything or similar... Or if you want me to make vbm's instead.

Posted: 11/13/2006 11:43 AM
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Floating over pits, the pit glitch! If you float in the air while lifting a block. Is that really impossible? As you could start lift the rock at the graveyard in Ages, you can maybe float when it's two holes and lift it. Load segment 10 http://files.filefront.com/OoSrar/;6173308;;/fileinfo.html. You sure it wont work? Anyway, while talking about Moosh, is it faster to fly instead of walking...? About the rings, I forgot that you can mark the empty spots too, My bad:).

Posted: 11/13/2006 8:56 AM

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Yeah, I know you have tried it, and I have as well. But have you tried with the floating glitch? You can skip Ricky with the pit glitch anyway, that's neat:). And for passwords, use this password generator http://www.zophar.net/utilities/gbutil.html To get the password you need. You only need to talk to the person who gives you the password to use in Seasons, then you can talk to Farore. And you can get the Noble sword after lvl 4, the woman you need to speak to appears at the ember tree in Lynna city past, and when you have beat dungeon 4 you go back in time and teleport to that tree, so it's perfect actually:). More things about the passwords: Using the password generator you can chose which rings you want. And it's faster if you only chose the Power Ring lvl 3 instead of all rings. I also belive that you can have use of other rings as well, like the pegasus ring, bomber's ring maybe? and the swimming ring etc. So it wont be a bad idea to use more than one actually. You shall try this! And no, the bombchus are useless I see now... I was thinking about using them in dungeon 5 to skip a key. But you can't get them before dungeon 5.. *sigh*. Quijo, I think it was him anyway, calculated it for a non linked game. If you shall buy the flute or win it from the minigame. If you start with Dimitri you wont need to buy the flute, or win it...

Posted: 11/13/2006 6:21 AM

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OK, thanks for trying it off guys. And sorry for misreading your post dezbeats=). There was still one thing I wanted to be tested: If you can lift rocks while hovering :D. I guess you can't, right? I have begun to write down routes for the dungeons in a text document. Will hopefully finish it today. I'm researching with dungeon 5 at the moment. After I'm done with the routes for Seasons, I will go to Ages and do the same. Is it something els that you want me to do, e_alert? And by the way e_alert. Which animal will you get with the linked password you were using? I belive it is faster to use Dimitri than the other two. Not? And you shall also use the password for the lvl 2 sword. The bombchus may also be useful... Not sure yet.

Posted: 11/12/2006 7:10 PM

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This room http://files.filefront.com/Oracle_of_Ages9sgm/;6176112;;/fileinfo.html If you could pass there you could skip a key and take a shortcut to the miniboss etc. Great about the whirlpools! Hehe. You can easily go to dungeon 8 this way. And some other small stuff... The bombs, yeah. I'm not remember me having any problems with that during my run, hmm. Will look over this. I will anyway give you some routes for the dungeons. I think you can find the small time savers in dungeon 2. But when it comes to the third one it will be tricky. I don't think my route was the fastest one. Going to post more about this tomorrow. Here are some maps of the overworld and dungeon for both OoS and OoA http://www.vgmaps.com/Atlas/GB-GBC/index.htm#L Oh, and about the pegasus seeds. One seed last for around 460 frames. So you shall try to use them anywhere where you walk for more than 460 frames. When you are on your way to the "watercity" (Can't remember the name...) with Ricky you can manipulate the bushes to drup seeds for you so you fill them up. There are some places in the dungeons where you can get these from as well. Want me to check them up?

Posted: 11/12/2006 7:53 AM

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I have done the same thing with Seasons, http://files.filefront.com/OoSrar/;6173308;;/fileinfo.html Ego_Buff's run and save states of the dungeons. + Segment 10, a place where someone of you can try to lift things in the air, that would be awesome! Nice one alert! Then you can skip that stupid book, muaha, library part owned. Is there anything that you guys want me to do? Like make routes, test specific things etc.

Posted: 11/12/2006 12:34 AM

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http://files.filefront.com/Game_Boyrar/;6171687;;/fileinfo.html Here's a rar file with 9 save states, from the beginning of every dungeon + inside the black tower, and also my testrun. Vespa may have some use for it. As Vespa's working with Ages now, and know the pit glitch, you may not have to try it for me (No, I haven't learned me the glitch yet, hehe, what a noob I am:D.). What I wanted to be tested is: 1. Can you walk to the next screen? Like in dungeon 3... 2. Whirlpools, is it able to swim or take the raft past them? What happens if you enter the ship without having the scale? 3. Can you jump out on the holes and start walking? And for Vespa: Always try to manipulate enemies to drop rupees, as long as you isn't losing time by taking them. Rupees from bushes, rocks and "dig places". Also, when you shall meet Maple, try to make her drop as many rupees as possible (And the potion too, of course.) Will come back with some more stuff tomorrow I presume. Good luck you too! I'm glad that I can help=).

Posted: 11/11/2006 3:17 PM

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You shall try to kill so many bats as possible while you driving the cart, then you won't need to manipulate them to not be in your way=).

Posted: 11/10/2006 4:54 PM

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Hehe, anytime. Even if I didn't do so much :D.

Posted: 11/10/2006 10:43 AM

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I will continue practice it. So far I have got many new tricks and stuff in OoS. And the dungeon routes that I have done are too far in the game, so it's not worth to tell them yet... Good luck with the rupees:).

Posted: 11/10/2006 6:12 AM

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Nice E_alert! I'm going to do a lot of research with the hole glitch in OoA as well, I belive you can sequence break a lot using it, HE HE. And dezbeats, there are some bushes and rocks that you have to lift in you path, like the one outside dungeon 2. Try to manipulate from these instead and you won't lose any time. You can also slash bats while driving the "train". EDIT: I have been looking through Ages a bit to find pit-glitch-places, and I have found a couple. But I want to hear some thing from dezbeats first: I totally suck at that glitch, sadly, and as you know it i want you to test some things for me, is this OK? I wonder if you can swim past wirhpools on the same way as the holes? This could save some time on a couple of places. And also if it is possible to do when there are three holes? Like: * ** You can pass those holes, right? I'm going to give more information to you e_alert. If you can't do the hole glitch yet, you better go and train on it:).

Posted: 11/9/2006 7:58 PM

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I can't walk straight forward, just zigzag... http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/2656/I%20suck.vbm

Posted: 11/9/2006 7:29 PM

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Bah, I can't make it... I always fall down in the end of each hole... Oh well, can still do some research with routes and stuff, but I can't try things like lift rockets while floating, and i wont make any moveis for ya either.

Posted: 11/9/2006 6:41 PM

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Can I please have some more details of how the glitch works? I haven't been able to do it yet... And I want to try some things. Also found that you can skip both the miniboss and the upgraded slingshot in dungeon 8, quite neat.

Posted: 11/9/2006 12:03 PM

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Feel sad that not so many have written in here... I have been following your progress, and it's looking very good. I love Donkey Kong Country runs!

Posted: 11/9/2006 6:08 AM

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Ok, I'm going to look through the game "now" and write down every shortcut I can found. I've found a big one in dungeon 8 so far:). EDIT: I'm making a route for dungeon three at the moment, but it's a bit annoying... As you see on the map http://www.ganonstower.com/z7l3.jpg Nintendo were smart to make a keylock to the room with the feather and one to the miniboss room. And you have to enter both, and as there only are two keys in the dungeon, both has to be taken, annoying really. And you can't get on the trampoline without the feather. So the best thing you can do is: Go to the key at D9 using the normal route. S&Q warp back to start. Go up, up, glitch to the left, up the stairs and into the room with the feather. I have been thinking a little about what to do next, but I belive the normal route isn't the fastest one. Go to ladder F at D7 and take that way instead to get the key. After that, just go and beat the level regulary. Does this sound too complicated to understand? Hehe, I can make a vbm file of it if you like:). And I know that it isn't time to research this yet but... I wanted to. Oh, one thing more... I don't think you have tried this, but can you lift a rock while floating over a hole...? This could be used in Subroisa to avoid your feather being stolen.

Posted: 11/8/2006 8:35 PM

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No, I don't think you can get them somewhere els besides that chest, sadly. I have been trying this as well. I'm afraid that you have to take that chest. If you can do the pit-glitch at any pit, you could take a very big shortcut on a lot of places!

Posted: 11/8/2006 6:39 PM

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I tried a lot on Seasons with that bug... I couldn't actually make it:O. I guess I didn't walk on the perfect spot, oh well. Must learn so I can go on route researching:).

Posted: 11/8/2006 4:54 PM

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That's sad to hear Chef... =(. 1 frame? Is it really only one frame before you fall down into the pit when using the hookshot glitch...? And I who did it on my first try in real time... Didn't even expect it to work, lol. I'm going to explore some in OoS where it can save some time to take a shortcut using the "go over pit" bug:). EDIT: Hmm, does it have to be more than one pit in a row so you can can walk between them...? It isn't working when there's only one hole, right?

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