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JXQ wrote:
I previously thought it was an "activate Super Sonic physics" glitch, but I'm now guessing it's an "increase current speed for tube journey without actually going through the tube sequence" glitch.
It’s a known glitch, and there even is a name for character having this glitch — “atomic” Sonic (Knuckles in this case)
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Yeah, in all honesty, TheYogWog’s run also needs an update — we should be perfectionists.
And my personal wish about it is to preserve a lot of entertaining moves made there.
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1:41~ if I remember correctly.
You meant 1:51 I think
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Possible Improvements (Most remarked by zurggriff and WST)
CPZ2: Climbing will be better.
CPZ2: 24791 - spindash through the pipe maybe saves some frames.
CPZ2: 26640 - A jump around here going straight up gives Knuckles a huge speed boost upon exiting the water.
ARZ2: 40388 - Maybe jumping around here allows Knuckles to glide to the crumble platform.
CNZ2: I forgot pressing [^] when climbing the elevators, this maybe saves some frames.
HTZ1: 69730 - It is possible to spindash and jump to around this location earlier without being crushed.
HTZ1: 70505 - It is faster to stop on the quarter-pipe and spindash from there, immediately followed by a jump.
HTZ2: 79441 - It is faster to climb this wall rather than using the spring.
MTZ3: 138200 - roll+jump to touch the red spring earlier can save ~11 frames.
In some stages the capsule is hit one frame late.
There are many possible improvements mentioned in the information in this presentation. Was not it better to try them before presenting? You may have optimized a bit.
“Try” would mean redoing the whole run from scratch. So, we decided that it’s better to mark the possible improvements than to pretend that the run is “perfect”. The least, in fact, is absolutely impossible for ring attacks.
The descriptions of the possible improvements seem to be shortened — for example, the last one originally sounded like this:
WST wrote:
At frame 138200, roll+jump to touch the red spring earlier. Then some precise positioning will allow you to take the first ring in the group while still moving up, and this will allow you to land much further to the right. The next change is jumping at a corner near X position = 5386, which will give you some extra boost. These changes saved me 11 frames.
But I am really glad that Evil_3D cares about those who may redo it in the future giving them tips instead of pretending that our run is absolutely good.
(upd) a well-known Sonic glitch finder asked me to post his opinion here:
Skype 4.3.0.37 wrote:
[17:08:30] S3Kglitches: but btw it'd be nice if Evil_3D did also long version zones
[17:08:47] WST: Can you post it there so he reads?
[17:09:01] S3Kglitches: I think I saw a part of that ring attack but idk what part or wip
[17:09:08] S3Kglitches: I don't have a tasvideos account
[17:09:14] S3Kglitches: can you please post it for me? =D
[17:09:20] WST: Ok wait
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Zamasu wrote:
By the way a curiosity question:
Naming it "Ring Attack" is because the objective "PERFECT BONUS" is unreachable?
Because it’s really a ring attack and not a “perfect bonus” run. The main difference is that this run also collects monitor rings, which are not needed to get that bonus.
The main reason making Knuckles look slower in this run than in S3&K is inability to spindash during 15 frames after landing from gliding state; it can sometimes be avoided by landing on the same frame when you start gliding, but braking from the speed of 1024 sp/f is still slower than charging the spindash immediately in S3&K.
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This is beyond insane, it brings the ACE to a new level, easy yes vote
Glitchy TAS of the year? :)
And probably the funny one as well…
By the way, now I will know that sister Joy is very boss at Tetris and Ash is very boss at Mario ^_^
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Zamasu wrote:
Wow, now Metropolis Zone 2 is possible PERFECT BONUS with a lot of glitches.
If my memory does not fail me, just one zone where PERFECT BONUS wasnt obtained was Casino Night Zone 2?
ARZ2 too, there is a ring inside a column, for which there is no known way to collect it as Knuckles alone.
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Wobmiar wrote:
Well, technically, most of the work on the improvement... Comes from the precedent authors, no? If I take someone's run, find a 3 frame improvement, place it, and submit, I'm doubting I can really take the credit for the run (again, talking in general, not for this run in particular, I know (and see) the work done on this run)
Anyway, thanks for the info :)
Did you read Samsara’s message? Every single stage is redone, no Kiske’s or my input survived. This is a milestone run — a monumental work, which you are treating as a dirty try, at least these words look like that
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If I take someone's run, find a 3 frame improvement
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If there is anymore thoughts or comments for this submission, please say so now.
I am deeply impressed by how well it’s done. Usually when I see a Sonic submission, I post info on possible improvements (example, another one, one more), but this particular run is done at an exceptionally high level, absolutely beyond my abilities and understanding. I know only 2 people whose runs cause similar feelings when watching them frame by frame — they are Aglar and Tee-N-Tee. This run is just like it’s done by one of them.
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If you really decide to go back and improve your run, consider redoing braking on objects — you still do it imperfectly, though way better than before.
Compare your typical inputs with mine
Yours [A][][<][<][v][v][vA] (7 frames)
Mine [B][<][<][<>][<v][vA] (6 frames)
I get your idea, you bring your speed to 129, then it becomes 1 and after 1 frame of waiting it becomes 0 and finally you can spindash. However, it is faster to press [<] twice to make speed 127, then pressing [<>] sets it to 128, and 128 is the «good» value which is already very well familiar to you and you know what to do with it. It saves 1 frame and also you end up a few subpixels further than in your case, as a micro or even nano bonus.
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Out of curiuosity, could looking up at the capsule be faster than what’s done in the current published run for Sonic+Tails? I see it like this: Tails breaks the capsule as soon as possible, Sonic lands onto it’s button 1-2 frames later, as soon as there is enough space for standing, and starts looking up immediately. Will it be faster or not? marzojr, feeuzz, Zurggriff, can anyone measure it? I have to admit that I’m not good enough with multitrack recording.
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* Beats Tee-N-Tee on Death Egg zone *
I was waiting for this to be submitted. It was a great pleasure to watch this. Easy yes vote, of course.
Now do the same on Sonic 2 itself ^_^_^
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As my vacation ends tomorrow, I’ll probably not be as active in the TAS comminity as before. But I am not sure yet, because I never know how busy I will be.
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Masterjun wrote:
my face when it's a Mega Man-like game and I have Mothrayas in my team
LOL. If it was a Sonic game and there was a team with marzojr (for some expert knowledge) + Aglar, Tee-N-Tee and Zurggriff (for like a boss optimization), there would be no sense in actually playing at all ^^
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Спасибо за пожелание удачи, правда, сам я пока в работу не включался — своих проектов выше крыши, над которыми тоже сейчас работаю, но главное, что лёд тронулся, aji взялся за работу, нам с марзоджром его тестовый пробег понравился.
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Thank you very much, Evil_3D, I will add your improvement into the run.
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I need to redo this zone 4 times because for some reason the emulator crash when I start climbing next to the mud in "x" frame so I start climbing 1 frame before, I don't know why happen.
That’s a known issue with the camera hack. As far as I know, marzojr tried to fix it, but his ideas about the source of the issue were wrong. As the original creators of the camera hack (nitsuja and upthorn) left, there is nobody who knows exactly how it works, so we use it with this issue.
The good side is: in fact, it just freezes for some time, it does not really crash. It emulates some frames way longer than supposed, but still with success. You can wait a little, for me it usually takes about 5-10 seconds to process such a frame.
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Evil_3D wrote:
I lost many seconds waiting to synchronize with the object I think it could be better
Such objects usually can be manipulated by wasting some non in-game time between the acts, you can see good examples in my published Amy@S3K TAS (Flying Battery, Sandopolis and Lava Reef were pure pain to manage). After finishing act 1, waste the needed interval to delay the “level clear” screen trigger. The problem is that you’ll probably need to redo the second act, so you need to estimate the amount of frames to be wasted pretty much correctly.
Prepare for the worst, friend — the mentioned zones are a lot worse than Hydrocity in terms of number of moving objects that will block your way. Good that some of them, like Sandopolis 1, can be skipped by using a level-wrap, unlike with Amy.
Or you are going to make your run underflowless?
By the way, you missed one small shortcut, instead of zipping left after stair clip (HCZ2), you could drop down directly, however, it is not enough to save an extra in-game seconds, but well, at least it makes the entire run shorter. An example.
(upd) damn, I also forgot a thing — gliding at the last dropping down. Saves some more frames, and now it’s only 8-9 frames to a better time. I will try to do it.
(upd2)succeeded, sorry about ugly filename
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Evil_3D wrote:
It's increible what a troll this zone is I know now why is skiped with a level wrap (joke)
I can't glide glitch trough the bridge Idk why, I tested all jump heights but nothing.
Marble Garden zone is even worse in terms of deadly hard tricks and places where something looks possible, but you just cannot perform it.
At least when you play as Amy :(
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