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feeuzz22 wrote:
To me (and LTRP may confirm), the fastest pattern (considering subpixel climbing) as far as i remember is:
… … …
I made measurements some time ago, but I was writing all the data on a sheet of paper. I took the certainly best pattern, which gave (if I remember it correctly) average climbing speed of about 1.4 pixels/frame, and I applied it in my Knuckles TAS — in MHZ2. However, soon after that feeuzz22 had redid my part, and replaced climbing with his own. MHZ2 ending became completely his own job, and I did not care of it anymore. And, as you can easilly guess, I lost that sheet of paper since that time. Apologies about that. And also about the fact that I am lazy to redo it — the weekend is too short even just to relax, no mood to do such a routine work. So it’s better if one of you makes it.
The important fact about jump-climbing is keeping [^] pressed, which was missed (but later noticed) by TheYogWog during his work on his ring attack TAS.
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Economic crisis has strong effect on the quality of soldering alloys here. Since 2014, I notice heavy growth of the number of extremely bad alloys. Most of them seem to be pure lead. Even the ones marked as “lead-free”, can be pure lead — crazy.
(upd) damn, I hate solder mask… After a year of attempts, I keep doing it as crappy as on this picture…
(upd2) this is what happens if you use an operational amplifier with too high supply voltage. Happened to me yesterday, and I decided to reproduce it for YouTube.
Link to video(upd3) a little surprise =D sincere apologies about imperfectly etched traces
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Sorry, Kiske, I have to say that aglarizing this TAS is beyond my abilities.
At first, I went some pixels ahead of you, but then I saw how you broke the monitor at 0:05.43 and my brain exploded. The only thing I could say was “lolwut?”. Yeah, in the whole my experience of TASing this game I never saw something like that. So my improvement went to hell — I had no idea how to reproduce that madness. And I deleted the gmv and took yours.
Then I went to the loops. I couldn’t do it as good as you probably expect, and my final result is 0:15.21
Beleive me, someday we’ll see Sonic finally break into the 0:14 area. Amy and Knuckles already did that. :)
Anyway, now I only have one question: if I give you a gmv, which is very slightly (1-2 frames) faster than yours in the very beginning, could you please redo your monitor madness, because I have no idea how come that is possible :-D
This is my gmv without the beginning improvement — only second half improved. But if you help me to redo the “monitor madness”, I think we can make it in less than 0:15.20 :)
http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/552447788/kiske-wst-sonic2.gmv
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If you know another pattern faster and you can apply it, you are welcome to show it. Any improvement is accepted for a good submission.
Sadly, most time I am far away from my PC where I can TAS. So I cannot tell you exactly when I’ll have time to check it. Better if Tee-N-Tee answers that question himself; also, given the quality of most his runs, I think he knows what he is doing, so, the climbing may already be perfect.
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And as for the capsule in CNZ2 is interesting moving the screen up to delete the animals fastly and show score bonus. Could be done at all stages, I'll try.
Sadly, in most places it’s not applicable, but you can try quickly spindashing (or flying) to the left just after breaking the capsule, this will make R-animals to disappear quicker, and then quickly move to the right, to make L-animals go offscreen. However, I did not actually measure if it saves any non-ingame time, as I used it only in just-for-fun projects, like this run:
Link to video
(upd) I have just checked it, and it does not seem to save any time for me. I simply got exactly same result. By the way, you usually cannot spindash when you break the capsule as fast as possible, because you are staying on it’s edge.
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Мне кажется, фраза «Посмотрите мувик по Super Mario 3, это идеальный пример» должна быть ссылкой. В остальном перевод годный, было приятно почитать, спасибо. Советы тоже хорошие — я эту статью на английском не читал, но в целом примерно такие выводы для себя самостоятельно и делал, когда учился.
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Good job, Tee-N-Tee! Just to clarify: are you sure that the jump-climbing pattern that you used, is the fastest? Some time ago I was doing some measurements and I think I used other kind of pattern, can’t remember all of the details though.
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I'll check it out and look if I could do something on weekend. I cannot promise you successful result, but I will do my best… :)
Btw you probably missed one place near the beginning, where you could take a slight boost, I will check it up as well.
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I think Tee-N-Tee could help us. He proved himself able to aglarize runs without Aglar. I could try myself, but I don't think I can do it — in fact, I already tried this route (will add a prooflink later), and got a result worse than yours.
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Oh, what a surprise!
The acceleration in the loops is based on utilizing as many short-jumps as possible, there are small corners which allow you jumping and immediately landing again, I think you already noticed that. Also, an important part of getting the speed over 5600 is using the slope before, which isn’t available in your case, so it may not be possible to get that kind of speed in your run, but well, your run already shows that Aglar’s TAS needs an update. BTW, there are also at least 2 improveable stages:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSiPFgAZX08
This is my testrun. CNZ2 boss is badly done, so, CNZ2 can be done in 0:37 or even 0:36.
Btw, the improvement is less than 60 frames, no?
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I am slowly working on an improvement of Sonic 3 & Amy any% TAS. And I managed to improve AIZ1, AIZ2 and HCZ1 by 5-10 frames. HCZ2 is not improved. I am proceeding to MGZ, which is improveable by at least a second, as DMTM claimed he had improved the current TAS time by 40 frames. I have no idea how long it will take to improve this stage, as I don’t have that much spare time and thus I TAS really seldom.
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Tee-N-Tee wrote:
WST, I don't quite get it. Are you implying that jpeg is a bad format?
Don’t take it too seriously, please. :)
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Thanks, nice Freudian slip btw, this reminds me of a [URL=www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-nNgUfRf6E]Dean Martin song.[/URL]
Well… This was kind of intentional… And I think you could guess that, looking into my signature…
Love all of your improvements, are you going to polish the whole run? :)
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Hi Kiske. Please forgive me for the absense of activity here. I think the strategy used in the ringless run is the best known one. I suggest you doing it yourself, if at some point I decide to contribute, I will do it
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In HTZ2, I do not see a reason why it is not possible to use the ringbox zip, like in the current published Sonic 2 TAS. Knuckles has exactly the same hitbox size as Sonic, so, it should be possible, though I do not actually know what are the exact conditions to trigger it. Anyway, I am trying HTZ2 myself and I am more than a second ahead of you at this point, so, I will soon post my gmv, even if I fail that particular zip myself. I think it is worth to ask Aglar, Tee-N-Tee or marzojr how to do it.
(upd) here it is, feel free to improve it or leave it as is
Please note that the boss fight was done in hurry, so I may have lost some frames on the boss (1st hit), or the capsule. You may want to verify it.
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Hmm, are you sure that EHZ/DEZ were done by marzojr? As far as I remember, it was an Aglar’s work.
Anyway, I am not going to contribute into this, as I am going to focus on my own projects, mentioned in my signature. The progress is very slow, but slow is better than nothing. Feeling completely satisfied with what you guys do here, good luck.
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Here is used the zip discovered by WST
CPZ1 level-wrap was not discovered by me. I saw it from Tee-N-Tee.
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but Tee-N-Tee discovered that it's possible from the second inclination. Besides, the rolling was needed to avoid taking the initial 3 rings.
Also wrong, it was marzojr, who was the first to repeat that particular trick with Knuckles. However, he probably sent the gmv only to me and thus you guys may not be aware.
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Note that in Aglar’s run he’s pressing the capsule nearly completely offscreen. Hence there are only a few animals to manipulate, and he probably dit it manually (maybe using RAM watch, but maybe even using pure try&fail strategy). In your case, all of the animals will be on screen, thus, I highly doubt that the idea of forcing them go one direction is any useful.
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Sorry, friends. I need a break. Don’t worry — I’m not quitting (as I have nowhere else to go to with my TASes and it’s a honor for me to realize that someone appreciates them). But you just don’t have any idea of how deeply this upsets me. I just can’t realize why I cannot have my own vision. Well, maybe the meant person wasn’t so “loli”, but… Can I please consider her to be one? Can’t you understand that it is important for me? Why need to destroy my world? Did I make something wrong personally to you or something?
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(upd2) this is what happens if you use an operational amplifier with too high supply voltage. Happened to me yesterday, and I decided to reproduce it for YouTube.
Link to video
(upd3) a little surprise =D sincere apologies about imperfectly etched traces
Nice improvement amyway. I wonder how much you can shave off from other parts, including mine, if you improved probably the best one (done by Aglar).