Voting yes because Hulk only wants a hug (1:58) and hates green guys (12:10 Oh the irony).
No, seriously, it's an improvement of a past run so yeah.
Oh and congratulations on your third anniversary Dooty, really nice detail from you submitting this.
As I see this hack is heavily influenced in Kirby, it's just a note though because I really like it. Also liked the metroid style upgrades.
Anyway, yes vote.
I didn't know it was drama Friday, oh well... something will come out of all this (DKR submission and this one I guess) but I can't recall if it's going to be good or bad
I don't mean to burst anyones bubble but I don't really find this that entertaining. Sure there's luck manipulation and the technical value is right there... but the game itself is repetitive (fuse cards, board moves, wait for opponet, board moves, more fuse, attack opponent, rinse and repeat) maybe if there's actual animation when you attack it could be kind of fun but just looking at the cards shuffle a bit gets old pretty quick and for a movie this long it's surely a hassle.
So voting No on entertainment but guess it'll be a good addition to the vault.
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Watched the whole 5+hours and must say it's not boring (aside from a couple of minutes for leveling) at all... actually it feels more like a movie because the text speed is slow enough to read most of the dialogue. Yes vote.
The run is definitely not bad.
Does the music on this game have emulation problems, or was the composer just tone-deaf? I mean, it's not quite Crazy Bus level, but it's getting there...
I fear that's exactly how it sounds... hell, it even sounds smoother because when you played Atari in those old TV's you could also hear a small buzzing when there was a lot of bright colors on the screen... those were the days
BTW, yes vote... that jumping on the minute mark, holy beejesus
It's much more desired if you evaluate each submission on its own merits and then give your solid arguments why you voted no.
If it ever got published, I'd automatically rate it 0/0.
If I showed it too all of my friends/family, I couldn't get them to like it even if I paid them.
The run is super boring.
Nothing happens.
The graphics are atrocious.
The gameplay is super dumb and hard to follow.
The TAS itself isn't impressive; Adelikat got only 100 frames slower in real time.
Music is dumb.
Game is dumb.
Console is dumb.
Any member spending time TASing this system is wasting valuable time that they could be TASing better systems.
And this will apply to every Atari run ever submitted here.
And yes, I did watch the other two previous Atari submissions, and my feelings were the same. TASing any game on this system is a complete waste of time, produces a final crap movie that nobody will care about or want to see.
That about good? Should I use this message as a template to copy into every time a new Atari submission is made?
I'm sensing you don't like Atari (my spidey sense is tingling, which means more than one actually don't like it)...
I'm sorry but I think you're letting your preference of consoles decide wether or not something is "valuable".
I mean, how could you even dare compare the graphics of the atari against ANYTHING, it's like comparing an 80's cellphone against a modern one IT'S JUST INSANE.
Just like Warp noted, you should really focus on the merits of the submission rather than "It's graphics are not like ps3 (xbox 360) so it must be trash", because if you're REALLY going to judge something based on it's music, graphics, gameplay and such we wouldn't even have NES, SNES or N64 runs because they look like crap against wii, Ps2, ps3, xbox and xbox 360 runs.
I really think people that haven't ever played atari should do so (at least in emulators) so they can have an idea of the average gameplays Atari could offer and have in mind that this games are 30+ years old (I'm guessing they are older than some of the members here and hence their hatred). Now, these games were the "hit" in their time (perhaps this game in particular is not the gem amongst the Atari games but it was a game none the less) because it was a whole new level for people at that time, again, you can't really compare this games against anything else besides themselves because we're talking about the very first home consoles so you can't expect great music nor great graphics... and the last time I checked, even the Atari are GAMES and as such they have the right to be TASed and judged by their capacities according to their limitations of their own time.
I think a TAS player should appear to be superhuman, for example by effortlessly removing enemies and obstacles, and seemingly be able to see the future (in fact, every possible moment in the game) like an all-knowing god.
That was my point. The "superhuman" in this case revolves around how fast and how precise the movements are made in comparison to a normal human (which we all know it'll look sloppy in comparison).
creaothceann wrote:
It's just not interesting to see a TAS that can be done by a human, only slower.
I'm not sure what you meant here but I think you refer to the difference between speedruns (runs made by humans without any sort of help) and TAS (Tool Assisted Superplay)... if you compare both of them with the same game being played and with similar goals (100% completeness for example) you'll realize both follow a very similar route BUT of course the TAS is made faster, other than that they are equivalent.
Interesting. If the result is that easy to duplicate without TAS'ing, then that should qualify this run by default, no?
Theoretically speaking the only difference between a human and a machine is the speed. The pc is precise and way more fast while humans are not so you can basiclly say the same about all the movies in this site... they can "theoretically" be made by a human if he's fast and precise enough (pacifist runs for example).
BUT if a human run is faster than any TAS published here THEN we have a problem because we're searching for perfection here and while there's this tiny difference (100 frames in this case) between human and TAS I see no problem... if the glitch in question is easy or not to do I think it's more or less despicable as long as the TAS in question do it as fast as it can be done.
Why you do this? I mean it's still not April... believe me, I'd know if it was because my birthday is in that month and it's totally not :'3
Anyway, voting No due to lack of harpoon ;3
So you voted Yes purely because it's an Atari 2600 game with an ending, and because the run is short? You don't care about entertainment, something we're supposed to consider when voting?
I care about fun but then again some of those fun games were infinite loops so it's impossible to "finish them" (unless you get a 99999 score like in Tetris I guess) and the fun ones that DO had an ending might get boring once you knew how to finish them... so let me remind you that these games were the first of their genres so if you compare them to the nes, snes and so on you'll find them terribly boring (even sometimes I do).
CoolKirby wrote:
Sure, these are a great technical achievement, but there are more interesting Atari games like Pitfall that don't make terribly boring runs.
I agree and actually you can say the same thing for every console available, it has its great games and horrible ones.
So in resume, I DO think this game is terrible, incomprehensible and tedious after hours of running around without knowing what the hell you're supposed to do; but looking how it got raped and finished within minutes is simply amazing. So instead of just saying "this game sucks because I don't understand what is going on" (which happens on runs with heavy glitches) I think you should consider that at least it has screen transactions and that it's a really short movie (yes, I do consider it being short as a plausible reason mostly because how can you get bored within 30 seconds unless you have ADD or something).
I found this less entertaining than E.T. Walking is not fun.
Voting no.
Totally agree. No vote.
Also, it's hilarious that none of these apparently 12 Yes voters have shared why they voted Yes (scrimpeh didn't even give a reason), while most the Meh and No voters had good reasons why this run should not be published. From what they're telling us, there is no reasoning behind their decision to click the Yes button and leave. If you want this to be published so badly, why don't you post why?
I just did vote yes and let me tell you my reasons:
1.- It's short enough
2.- If you actually played atari games you'll know lots of them didn't even had an ending and just loop until you lose, so finishing one of them is already neat.
3.- It's atari, you can't really ask much to it on graphics, sound and appealing. YES I do know some games were really fun to play on the atari but again most of those games didn't had an ending and that's why they were fun.
4.- Finally, at least most of the movie is not an ending sequence http://tasvideos.org/1145M.html
So yeah, those are my main reasons.
Sutile yet great improvements. As always, very nice job Dooty and congrats to Randil, boct1584 and mikwuyma too for helping out.
Edit: Sorry about that boct1584
I dont want to beat the run he did with warps and others, but the perfect run he did (1:33:09.43), without bug, doing all bosses.
This one I guess -> http://tasvideos.org/552M.html
He said that on the first paragraph BTW... so I think he means a "warpless" run rather than "perfect".
Voting Meh.
It's well done but I'm not sure staring at the same screen that long can be considered "fun" (at least not to me).
On another note, why didn't you played it in the Hard Mode?