I dont think it apply to OoE outside equiping/using medicine, but in POR using warps doesnt count toward the in game timer since you basicly reset game (well, its call suspend but same result)
I will guess serris sayd that because its easier to compare a game timer for real time users, alltought, it doesnt fit well with how movies files actually works
Its very important imo that the outside game access are counted in the movie file, else it would be pretty much problem to optimize those parts, even if none care about them, its part of the "superplay" too
If someone can suggest a good codec to use I'm willing to do my own YT WIPs.
Random suggestion: xvid
Edit: is there isnt any equipment in this game that will convert damage receive to hearts like in sotn? (blood cape)
Would let you make some strategy to refill hearts by taking damage
Yeah, i think sotn ending on killing richter would sux too
Edit: ah, just beated astarte, it took less than 20 seconds (including the 2 menu access for tonics), i think its realy fast now :p
But, i couldnt "add" the amelioration in shop, i loose 30 frames for this sadly
I founded out you can touch the screen to use warp rooms, witch go faster than push direction + A
Also you can use stylus in the main menu and shop... witch actually is quite a big deal since it decal lags and rng (the time spent in menus ect..)
I didnt realy founded any improvement on movements for exemple, but such tiny little shit as the menu also force to me restart anyway, i hope this time its settled down
Forgot to mention: R + direction lets you scroll through the shop faster.
Ah, i didnt excepted this, thx to let me now
I think i should be able to correct this in my current movie (im at astarte), lets hope it doesnt kill too much lag or i will get desync :/
I made the movie for final sword, im at final guard, i given it to atma and pirate, now well, its just a matter of hope
Unlike what you did, its much harder to drop the sword in a tas, the rng doesnt seem to be much changing over time
I think you was able to get it for simple reason, you saved and reloaded your game, witch result of course in a different rng, if your enought tedious, you get it in the end
Whatever im whoring any frames, i might never get the drop, because you need to "roll" the rng, witch i dont by doing basic attack or alike, saving would probly do, but then its a nightmare to optimize
Bottom line its far beyond my ability, so im doing a fully optimized holy claymore run, witch would be a "dont manipulate luck" category
(i believe this weekend its done)
As for the NG+, you need first to have a movie accepted for NG (holy claymore run would be good for that), then you need to make a "robot" to gather the max stats, then you can start NG+ run
Oho, so it mean you can stack 3 times the death ring huge stats bonus :p
Im sorry catastrophe but wbw is realy poor about OoE, since its not glitchs friendly, hard to have stuff to say about it
I think kmlz have an extra way than nomino to get stuck in walls, but you wont probably make any good of it
Youll probably want to look to the cat form and get the stat boost glitch tought
Name it "test.dsm" the answer is in the question actually
There is no warning that you dont use .dsm, its a text file anyway, could use txt extension wouldnt change anything
Also, when you click replay movie, be sure the dropbox show All Files if you want to be able to play a file without extension and not having the filter DSM Files or else you wont see them
Here the xvid encode watched by comicalflop to make comments
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=AXI0B4PE
(this doesnt include comical comments)
Didnt finished to listen to comments but it sound funny so far :)
Edit: ok, thanks comical, it was fun to hear your comments !
Macgiver making bombs heh :p
hoe: i know its a bit late, but if your still up to make a doorless version, i guess you can go ahead with that file
(I used the TAS ISO plugin). Maybe I did something wrong.
Yes you did something wrong, you used ISO plugin witch is kinda not the most robust plugin ever, well, sue me if im flamming, but i never could get it to work properly, the cdrom plugin works good tought (im using virtual drives)
I would try to ask to theenglishman if i where you, he do MGS TAS witch require also disc swap (2cd game)
The most curious about this technique, is the "stackable" effect of this
As in,
You determined the narrowest distance (something bug did already, long ago, and checked recently again because of 1HR theorys and my findings with SR or ideas with wingsmash ect...)
But
As you know, you can stack the effect, using several stop screen together will create "larger" shiftline
I think the reason of all this is visually presented to us
Simply, the layout of the screen is decaled equal to alucard movement, and effectivly, the sprites whe "see" after the technique are leaked
Its nearly like the engine updated position/boundarys of the room, but not alucard one, or the opposite case at least
This is from the stop screen effect, apparently it behave like also stoping the engine to update positions (or whatever its directly linked to)
The most curious is when you use "long" ET (after 20HRs) or when you use massive shiftline technique, making alucard for exemple travel over 1 screen trough the "effect"
All this doesnt explain why on saturn... 1HR ET can work trough the dive kick (dashing) and futhermore, not on all screens... only certain ones (witch include near the guardian)
Bug alltought did noticed me several times, all rooms are not having the same behavior, for obscur reasons and no apparent or tangible leads, without having found something interresting about it, but, its probably linked on why it doesnt work on saturn for any ET'able rooms (with just 1HR)
All your reflection is 100% correct tought, and your measures are also precise i think (well, bug would confirm that, im pretty sure)
I wont say theres nothing more to uncover, theres is, bug is aware too, but whe dont have an answer on a 1HR ET so far
Well, it sound like the fastest way, its a straight corridor, and theres no ennemy on the way, since im backdashing the hell in there (blindly, alltought theres no merit, its just scripted), fighting 1 or 2 boss cant be faster
A real time run will get the same benefit in term of speed tought, even not backdashing at all, you can exit before or after second boss (potentially meaning you dont need to fight em at all, even in HC run)
Edit : more testing on dracula... (well, death actually...)
lvl5=26dmg
lvl6=28dmg
lvl7=29dmg
I can get lvl6 quite easly (kills are on the way), lvl7 require to kill an extra FinalGuard (need 500exp between lvl6/7), witch is 50hits long, since i save only 15hits on dracula for eatch extra damage point, lvl6 sound to be the most apropriate in term of speed
Ah and yeah, the partner jump in keep work after all, not sure how i missed it before, but well, i got it right now :p
I end up having no spell after all (witch is something i found funny), alltought i end up better weapon on charlotte than the holy claymore route... witch is probably much enough to deal with wings attacks from true dracula
I still dont know what the hell to do with the "bad ending" deal, point is anyway, i would do 95% the same route and drop sword same way, the rest of the run been the boss... witchever its dracula or sisters doesnt impact much
Obviously sisters will go faster, but im quite sure they require also final sword, i dont see how you would kill them at lvl6 with weaked whip or short sword (1dmg...?)...
*almost done optimizations up to final guard*
something to do with your warp spot to the right of Raging Fire?
Yes that how i get to double jump without fighting keremet, i exit "after" him in double jump room
I tought i needed double jump... but if i dont need it... well its another matter, so i think this is correct:
arukAdo wrote:
one option can be; buy dart/map, get lizard tail, SG entrance and exit before second boss, SG to speed up room (require tail), SG exit speed up room, throne room, final guard, back to throne room
Serris wrote:
but I stand by what I said before - don't waste time on getting more EXP.
Yeah well, i would end only killing final guard if i do like that, so i hope its the right way :p
For the record taking double jump and up to the SG point, my game timer is under 2min :p
Edit: i believe theres gonna be a benefit from speedup on the fight with dracula or final guard, especially on switch/cancel, alltought, if i dont get a dart and just fight the hell with final guard, then of course speedup is not worth it, i would just lend on big open area of throne room, without tail or dart
Ok... no double jump
But this mean im going to be realy low level
As in, theres no reason i would go that far after SG in entrance, i would exit near the warp point and SG to throne from save room near second boss
That mean not much ennemys on my way, my guess would be lvl2
With the 500exp from final guard, ill be lvl5
But on double jump route, im already lvl4 when i face final guard, so i end up lvl6 or 7 (dont remember now)
To farm exp (and eventually raise my dmg with final sword), final guard sound like the best solution to me, it worth 10exp per hit
First boss worth only 1000exp if i remember correctly, second boss 2000, but it would realy wasting lots of time to fight em imo, especially second boss
Darts actually works on final guard, he get twice 1 dmg from 1 dart, one problem is this guy ultra laggy, also, buying the darts gonna cost me time (a lot considering how quick i do the big warping in entrance now)
Edit: one option can be; buy dart/map, get lizard tail, SG entrance and exit before second boss, SG to speed up room (require tail), SG exit speed up room, throne room, final guard, back to throne room
Yeah i figured that too, i need first to unlock the barrier then final guard (realy silly route lol)
I tryed in a previous attempt to partner jump near the teleporter room in keep, the very last jump at top is between 2 screens and i couldnt make it work there
So i picked up the double jump (and partisan too!) and im on my way to throne
I have no idea if it will realy work for the final sword, i know with tas powa it should be cake, but well, i couldnt drop it just once so far while testing... so i dont think it will be "cake"
Edit: about dracula super bat attack, yes i understand now how to avoid it, i just need to push back a bit and double jump them since death dont move while he do that (stand upside dracula)
On the test run im simply aiming at hiting death as fast as possible, so i call charl, run trough dracula with charl using stylus (loose only mp) while jo swing sword at death, switch to char when shes past dracula, put away jo, restart attack switching (drac bats are still not finish...)
Im sorry, somewhere i got confused and didnt understood all items code, doesnt matter anyway
Now i can realy test! Thanks a billion!
Edit: ok i deal 26 to death while im level5 (its very possible to get lvl5), i believe its enought, but, theres a problem: how do you go to dracula once you SG'ed to the final guard...? i couldnt find a way :/
I had to go back to entrance and travel again to reach a SG'able room
The other trouble also is i have near no chances to drop that sword :( i got between 5 to 8 luck, witch is realy poor, and the rng in this game sound like a bitch
Theres also that unavoidable special bat attack from dracula, not sure how i can deal with it (death fly at top of dracula, will be hard to catch a partner jump without touching death)
170 hits for death, 256 for true dracula, 427 total hits, that gonna be epic battle !
Nice!
Please i just need to boost luck or item drops, actually, i just want the Final Sword to make the needed testing :p
Ah the title is bad indeed, not my doing tought :D
Death and true dracula take same damage from holy claymore
Fake(?) dracula take less damage from holy claymore than death tough, but i dont fight him
Could you try to find a code for me to get the sword so i can realy test how long the fight would take?
If its 19, it mean i can probably finish it faster than claymore (not by a lot tought i think)
Droping the sword gonna be the most painfull overall
Im not sure if its a good idea... this game will be highly competited i believe, i think aiming for speed is a good goal
Edit: tryed several times and i cant get the sword for the love of god
Anybody know how i can cheat it up or how the rng work?
It sound like its going to be a big hassle if that come to be the fastest way
Edit2: somebody help and give cheat code for luck or sword, else its holy claymore and that it, i lost 2 hours trying to figure out and bleh, i sux at it
Thanks
Well, it wasnt official or whatever, just for fun, i think minimap was enought of an effort regard to the fact its just junk material (not a real tas accomplishement...)
Alltought what realy is important to me, is i finaly used vegas and well, it turned out to be very apropried to make those kind of stuff (minimap or anything else)
People wont have to wait very long to get the official encode i think, im hoping to submit a run next week
error1: if i could i would ! :p
Drawing T.A.S. as my logo would need to spend frames
I dont think its reachable trought the map warping
Some people explored the "outside" and i never heard of such thing as loading external parts like richter battle or just the extra areas in wifi mode
So i would say apparently its not feasible
Oki, shouldnt be too much complex to test for me, since i get most my exp from astarte, i can test from the big warp and go directly dracula
More on this later :p
Apparently i can kill the wings if i fast swing sword (cancel with partner), i got raging fire in that video, but i dont think its mandatory, i didnt even optimized that part since it seem to be not affecting dracula HPs
Also 1000 blades probably need lots of MP, im like 80 mp lvl1
Did you ever realy tryed final sword? dont remember damage dealt maybe?
The point of Astarte is simple:
1. he give the good quest (easy quest) to glitch up
2. he is dartable (you see a "target" when you dart him), witch is pretty much the only way to kill anything at lvl1/2/3/4
3. he give 3000exp
Death give 4000 or 5000 exp, and not dartable i think
If the final sword grant me 30 damage against drac, it will work, i need to test but its likely to be much less than 30
