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Congratulations to the Arcade TASer of 2023: PearlASE Nominations are now open! Please nominate eligible candidates, a list of which is available at the following link: Wiki: HomePages/feos/Awards/2023/ArcadeTASers Nominations will be open until, at earliest, 23:59 UTC on January 7th, 2024. Should any unforeseen circumstances delay this time, the delay will be accounted for during the voting period to allow at least one full week of voting. You are allowed and encouraged to nominate multiple candidates, and you may not self-nominate. Keep in mind that two or more separate nominations are required for an option to make it into the poll. Voting is now open! Please vote for the choices in the poll above. If an eligible option is missing from this list, please let staff know and we will correct it as soon as possible. Voting will be open until, at earliest, 23:59 UTC on January 14th, 2024. Should any unforeseen circumstances delay this time, the delay will be accounted for during the TAS of 2023 voting period to allow at least one full week of voting. Full list of rules and guidelines for nomination and voting.
Warning: When making decisions, I try to collect as much data as possible before actually deciding. I try to abstract away and see the principles behind real world events and people's opinions. I try to generalize them and turn into something clear and reusable. I hate depending on unpredictable and having to make lottery guesses. Any problem can be solved by systems thinking and acting.
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Congratulations to the Atari TASer of 2023: nymx Nominations are now open! Please nominate eligible candidates, a list of which is available at the following link: Wiki: HomePages/feos/Awards/2023/AtariTASers Nominations will be open until, at earliest, 23:59 UTC on January 7th, 2024. Should any unforeseen circumstances delay this time, the delay will be accounted for during the voting period to allow at least one full week of voting. You are allowed and encouraged to nominate multiple candidates, and you may not self-nominate. Keep in mind that two or more separate nominations are required for an option to make it into the poll. Voting is now open! Please vote for the choices in the poll above. If an eligible option is missing from this list, please let staff know and we will correct it as soon as possible. Voting will be open until, at earliest, 23:59 UTC on January 14th, 2024. Should any unforeseen circumstances delay this time, the delay will be accounted for during the TAS of 2023 voting period to allow at least one full week of voting. Full list of rules and guidelines for nomination and voting.
Warning: When making decisions, I try to collect as much data as possible before actually deciding. I try to abstract away and see the principles behind real world events and people's opinions. I try to generalize them and turn into something clear and reusable. I hate depending on unpredictable and having to make lottery guesses. Any problem can be solved by systems thinking and acting.
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Congratulations to the DS/DSi/3DS TASer of 2023: JHolleworth Nominations are now open! Please nominate eligible candidates, a list of which is available at the following link: Wiki: HomePages/feos/Awards/2023/3DSiTASers Nominations will be open until, at earliest, 23:59 UTC on January 7th, 2024. Should any unforeseen circumstances delay this time, the delay will be accounted for during the voting period to allow at least one full week of voting. You are allowed and encouraged to nominate multiple candidates, and you may not self-nominate. Keep in mind that two or more separate nominations are required for an option to make it into the poll. Voting is now open! Please vote for the choices in the poll above. If an eligible option is missing from this list, please let staff know and we will correct it as soon as possible. Voting will be open until, at earliest, 23:59 UTC on January 14th, 2024. Should any unforeseen circumstances delay this time, the delay will be accounted for during the TAS of 2023 voting period to allow at least one full week of voting. Full list of rules and guidelines for nomination and voting.
Warning: When making decisions, I try to collect as much data as possible before actually deciding. I try to abstract away and see the principles behind real world events and people's opinions. I try to generalize them and turn into something clear and reusable. I hate depending on unpredictable and having to make lottery guesses. Any problem can be solved by systems thinking and acting.
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Congratulations to the Exotic TASer of 2023: nymx Nominations are now open! Please nominate eligible candidates, a list of which is available at the following link: Wiki: HomePages/feos/Awards/2023/ExoticTASers Nominations will be open until, at earliest, 23:59 UTC on January 7th, 2024. Should any unforeseen circumstances delay this time, the delay will be accounted for during the voting period to allow at least one full week of voting. You are allowed and encouraged to nominate multiple candidates, and you may not self-nominate. Keep in mind that two or more separate nominations are required for an option to make it into the poll. Voting is now open! Please vote for the choices in the poll above. If an eligible option is missing from this list, please let staff know and we will correct it as soon as possible. Voting will be open until, at earliest, 23:59 UTC on January 14th, 2024. Should any unforeseen circumstances delay this time, the delay will be accounted for during the TAS of 2023 voting period to allow at least one full week of voting. Full list of rules and guidelines for nomination and voting.
Warning: When making decisions, I try to collect as much data as possible before actually deciding. I try to abstract away and see the principles behind real world events and people's opinions. I try to generalize them and turn into something clear and reusable. I hate depending on unpredictable and having to make lottery guesses. Any problem can be solved by systems thinking and acting.
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Congratulations to the Flash TASer of 2023: Randomno Nominations are now open! Please nominate eligible candidates, a list of which is available at the following link: Wiki: HomePages/feos/Awards/2023/FlashTASers Nominations will be open until, at earliest, 23:59 UTC on January 7th, 2024. Should any unforeseen circumstances delay this time, the delay will be accounted for during the voting period to allow at least one full week of voting. You are allowed and encouraged to nominate multiple candidates, and you may not self-nominate. Keep in mind that two or more separate nominations are required for an option to make it into the poll. Voting is now open! Please vote for the choices in the poll above. If an eligible option is missing from this list, please let staff know and we will correct it as soon as possible. Voting will be open until, at earliest, 23:59 UTC on January 14th, 2024. Should any unforeseen circumstances delay this time, the delay will be accounted for during the TAS of 2023 voting period to allow at least one full week of voting. Full list of rules and guidelines for nomination and voting.
Warning: When making decisions, I try to collect as much data as possible before actually deciding. I try to abstract away and see the principles behind real world events and people's opinions. I try to generalize them and turn into something clear and reusable. I hate depending on unpredictable and having to make lottery guesses. Any problem can be solved by systems thinking and acting.
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Congratulations to the GB TASer of 2023: Cephla Nominations are now open! Please nominate eligible candidates, a list of which is available at the following link: Wiki: HomePages/feos/Awards/2023/GameboyTASers Nominations will be open until, at earliest, 23:59 UTC on January 7th, 2024. Should any unforeseen circumstances delay this time, the delay will be accounted for during the voting period to allow at least one full week of voting. You are allowed and encouraged to nominate multiple candidates, and you may not self-nominate. Keep in mind that two or more separate nominations are required for an option to make it into the poll. Voting is now open! Please vote for the choices in the poll above. If an eligible option is missing from this list, please let staff know and we will correct it as soon as possible. Voting will be open until, at earliest, 23:59 UTC on January 14th, 2024. Should any unforeseen circumstances delay this time, the delay will be accounted for during the TAS of 2023 voting period to allow at least one full week of voting. Full list of rules and guidelines for nomination and voting.
Warning: When making decisions, I try to collect as much data as possible before actually deciding. I try to abstract away and see the principles behind real world events and people's opinions. I try to generalize them and turn into something clear and reusable. I hate depending on unpredictable and having to make lottery guesses. Any problem can be solved by systems thinking and acting.
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Congratulations to the GBA TASer of 2023: Alyosha Nominations are now open! Please nominate eligible candidates, a list of which is available at the following link: Wiki: HomePages/feos/Awards/2023/GBATASers Nominations will be open until, at earliest, 23:59 UTC on January 7th, 2024. Should any unforeseen circumstances delay this time, the delay will be accounted for during the voting period to allow at least one full week of voting. You are allowed and encouraged to nominate multiple candidates, and you may not self-nominate. Keep in mind that two or more separate nominations are required for an option to make it into the poll. Voting is now open! Please vote for the choices in the poll above. If an eligible option is missing from this list, please let staff know and we will correct it as soon as possible. Voting will be open until, at earliest, 23:59 UTC on January 14th, 2024. Should any unforeseen circumstances delay this time, the delay will be accounted for during the TAS of 2023 voting period to allow at least one full week of voting. Full list of rules and guidelines for nomination and voting.
Warning: When making decisions, I try to collect as much data as possible before actually deciding. I try to abstract away and see the principles behind real world events and people's opinions. I try to generalize them and turn into something clear and reusable. I hate depending on unpredictable and having to make lottery guesses. Any problem can be solved by systems thinking and acting.
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Congratulations to the NES TASer of 2023: eien86 Nominations are now open! Please nominate eligible candidates, a list of which is available at the following link: Wiki: HomePages/feos/Awards/2023/NESTASers Nominations will be open until, at earliest, 23:59 UTC on January 7th, 2024. Should any unforeseen circumstances delay this time, the delay will be accounted for during the voting period to allow at least one full week of voting. You are allowed and encouraged to nominate multiple candidates, and you may not self-nominate. Keep in mind that two or more separate nominations are required for an option to make it into the poll. Voting is now open! Please vote for the choices in the poll above. If an eligible option is missing from this list, please let staff know and we will correct it as soon as possible. Voting will be open until, at earliest, 23:59 UTC on January 14th, 2024. Should any unforeseen circumstances delay this time, the delay will be accounted for during the TAS of 2023 voting period to allow at least one full week of voting. Full list of rules and guidelines for nomination and voting.
Warning: When making decisions, I try to collect as much data as possible before actually deciding. I try to abstract away and see the principles behind real world events and people's opinions. I try to generalize them and turn into something clear and reusable. I hate depending on unpredictable and having to make lottery guesses. Any problem can be solved by systems thinking and acting.
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Congratulations to the Nintendo 3D TASer of 2023: NEVERDOORS Nominations are now open! Please nominate eligible candidates, a list of which is available at the following link: Wiki: HomePages/feos/Awards/2023/Nintendo3DTASers Nominations will be open until, at earliest, 23:59 UTC on January 7th, 2024. Should any unforeseen circumstances delay this time, the delay will be accounted for during the voting period to allow at least one full week of voting. You are allowed and encouraged to nominate multiple candidates, and you may not self-nominate. Keep in mind that two or more separate nominations are required for an option to make it into the poll. Voting is now open! Please vote for the choices in the poll above. If an eligible option is missing from this list, please let staff know and we will correct it as soon as possible. Voting will be open until, at earliest, 23:59 UTC on January 14th, 2024. Should any unforeseen circumstances delay this time, the delay will be accounted for during the TAS of 2023 voting period to allow at least one full week of voting. Full list of rules and guidelines for nomination and voting.
Warning: When making decisions, I try to collect as much data as possible before actually deciding. I try to abstract away and see the principles behind real world events and people's opinions. I try to generalize them and turn into something clear and reusable. I hate depending on unpredictable and having to make lottery guesses. Any problem can be solved by systems thinking and acting.
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Congratulations to the PC TASer of 2023: eien86 Nominations are now open! Please nominate eligible candidates, a list of which is available at the following link: Wiki: HomePages/feos/Awards/2023/PCTASers Nominations will be open until, at earliest, 23:59 UTC on January 7th, 2024. Should any unforeseen circumstances delay this time, the delay will be accounted for during the voting period to allow at least one full week of voting. You are allowed and encouraged to nominate multiple candidates, and you may not self-nominate. Keep in mind that two or more separate nominations are required for an option to make it into the poll. Voting is now open! Please vote for the choices in the poll above. If an eligible option is missing from this list, please let staff know and we will correct it as soon as possible. Voting will be open until, at earliest, 23:59 UTC on January 14th, 2024. Should any unforeseen circumstances delay this time, the delay will be accounted for during the TAS of 2023 voting period to allow at least one full week of voting. Full list of rules and guidelines for nomination and voting.
Warning: When making decisions, I try to collect as much data as possible before actually deciding. I try to abstract away and see the principles behind real world events and people's opinions. I try to generalize them and turn into something clear and reusable. I hate depending on unpredictable and having to make lottery guesses. Any problem can be solved by systems thinking and acting.
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Congratulations to the PSX TASer of 2023: wafflewizard1 Nominations are now open! Please nominate eligible candidates, a list of which is available at the following link: Wiki: HomePages/feos/Awards/2023/PSXTASers Nominations will be open until, at earliest, 23:59 UTC on January 7th, 2024. Should any unforeseen circumstances delay this time, the delay will be accounted for during the voting period to allow at least one full week of voting. You are allowed and encouraged to nominate multiple candidates, and you may not self-nominate. Keep in mind that two or more separate nominations are required for an option to make it into the poll. Voting is now open! Please vote for the choices in the poll above. If an eligible option is missing from this list, please let staff know and we will correct it as soon as possible. Voting will be open until, at earliest, 23:59 UTC on January 14th, 2024. Should any unforeseen circumstances delay this time, the delay will be accounted for during the TAS of 2023 voting period to allow at least one full week of voting. Full list of rules and guidelines for nomination and voting.
Warning: When making decisions, I try to collect as much data as possible before actually deciding. I try to abstract away and see the principles behind real world events and people's opinions. I try to generalize them and turn into something clear and reusable. I hate depending on unpredictable and having to make lottery guesses. Any problem can be solved by systems thinking and acting.
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Congratulations to the Sega TASer of 2023: Tuffcracker Nominations are now open! Please nominate eligible candidates, a list of which is available at the following link: Wiki: HomePages/feos/Awards/2023/SegaTASers Nominations will be open until, at earliest, 23:59 UTC on January 7th, 2024. Should any unforeseen circumstances delay this time, the delay will be accounted for during the voting period to allow at least one full week of voting. You are allowed and encouraged to nominate multiple candidates, and you may not self-nominate. Keep in mind that two or more separate nominations are required for an option to make it into the poll. Voting is now open! Please vote for the choices in the poll above. If an eligible option is missing from this list, please let staff know and we will correct it as soon as possible. Voting will be open until, at earliest, 23:59 UTC on January 14th, 2024. Should any unforeseen circumstances delay this time, the delay will be accounted for during the TAS of 2023 voting period to allow at least one full week of voting. Full list of rules and guidelines for nomination and voting.
Warning: When making decisions, I try to collect as much data as possible before actually deciding. I try to abstract away and see the principles behind real world events and people's opinions. I try to generalize them and turn into something clear and reusable. I hate depending on unpredictable and having to make lottery guesses. Any problem can be solved by systems thinking and acting.
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Congratulations to the SNES TASers of 2023: arandomgameTASer Darkman425 Nominations are now open! Please nominate eligible candidates, a list of which is available at the following link: Wiki: HomePages/feos/Awards/2023/SNESTASers Nominations will be open until, at earliest, 23:59 UTC on January 7th, 2024. Should any unforeseen circumstances delay this time, the delay will be accounted for during the voting period to allow at least one full week of voting. You are allowed and encouraged to nominate multiple candidates, and you may not self-nominate. Keep in mind that two or more separate nominations are required for an option to make it into the poll. Voting is now open! Please vote for the choices in the poll above. If an eligible option is missing from this list, please let staff know and we will correct it as soon as possible. Voting will be open until, at earliest, 23:59 UTC on January 14th, 2024. Should any unforeseen circumstances delay this time, the delay will be accounted for during the TAS of 2023 voting period to allow at least one full week of voting. Full list of rules and guidelines for nomination and voting.
Warning: When making decisions, I try to collect as much data as possible before actually deciding. I try to abstract away and see the principles behind real world events and people's opinions. I try to generalize them and turn into something clear and reusable. I hate depending on unpredictable and having to make lottery guesses. Any problem can be solved by systems thinking and acting.
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Yes.
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Did you read the Editing chapter of the page I linked?
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What's VMC? How does it look in virtualdub or mpc-hc?
Warning: When making decisions, I try to collect as much data as possible before actually deciding. I try to abstract away and see the principles behind real world events and people's opinions. I try to generalize them and turn into something clear and reusable. I hate depending on unpredictable and having to make lottery guesses. Any problem can be solved by systems thinking and acting.
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I upscale custom encodes in virtualdub https://tasvideos.org/EncodingGuide/CasualEncoding
Warning: When making decisions, I try to collect as much data as possible before actually deciding. I try to abstract away and see the principles behind real world events and people's opinions. I try to generalize them and turn into something clear and reusable. I hate depending on unpredictable and having to make lottery guesses. Any problem can be solved by systems thinking and acting.
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LogansGamingRoom wrote:
the thing is, the map goes on FOREVER and we can rack up an infinite amount of coins. so maximum coins wouldn’t be a viable goal choice.
It can't be literally infinite if it's stored in the game as a number.
Warning: When making decisions, I try to collect as much data as possible before actually deciding. I try to abstract away and see the principles behind real world events and people's opinions. I try to generalize them and turn into something clear and reusable. I hate depending on unpredictable and having to make lottery guesses. Any problem can be solved by systems thinking and acting.
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If it's content that can't be unlocked by in-game codes, we allow it to be unlocked by editing the game externally if the movie is Alternative class eligible.
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3-2: Finally, the biggest single route difference is that since you can't uncrouch or jump inside 1-block tall passages in this game, I am forced to lose the fire flower and become small in order to proceed
I wonder how much time did you spend verifying that, because I checked and instantly found this: Link to video User movie #638374004063484608 This is huge since you have to waste time later on on picking the item twice, and on waiting for the bowser bridge to collapse.
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The choice of 1,000,000,000 FPS to queue up inputs is an arbitrary one. Theoretically you could increase this as high as the signed 32-bit integer limit but that complicates the math and produces a functionally identical movie.
Why set it to 1 billion FPS then if it's arbitrary either way? The reason keylie stopped at 1k FPS in #6104: keylie's Linux TowerFall Ascension "all trials, 1000 fps" in 03:26.75 was that the gameplay difference past that value was negligible, and yeah higher framerate was used there to make a certain in-game mechanic more optimal (it was still all generally tied to real time). What is your reason to not stop at 1k? Actually I'd also be interested in the reason to even set it to 1k at all.
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This was discussed on Discord but here's the summary. Since using a different character is not more entertaining than the current publication, it'd need to be faster to obsolete it. It could still go to Playground (until rules on different chars in Standard change), though that's different from a publication. A fully entertainment based branch would be publishable.
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I actually want to ask acmlm to maybe fix the hack itself to be playable warpless, then it'd be ideal for RHDN.
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Without even looking at the position values too much I saved 104 frames in 1-4 by working with momentum a bit more: bumping ceilings to get down sooner, starting to run sooner to get more speed when passing the firebar, etc. Found that if you press Down at a certain frame during the jump, your hitbox will shrink like you're crouch-jumping but the sprite will remain tall until you land (can save time on the first screen of 1-4 but I found this too late). Shooting fire more rarely reduced some lag on the boss. Overall it's all the same trend of not taking acceleration into account enough, making the movie easily improvable (barring the technical pain of the setup).
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Hetfield90 wrote:
So is the reason probably just because of hardware differences? I remember a couple of people were able to sync the last runs I made of this game.
Including me, on my previous machine (and native WinXP)!
Hetfield90 wrote:
For the run to get accepted, does it need to be synced by a tasvideos encoder? Or could I try to find someone w/ similar hardware to mine to prove sync and then just give my raw avi dump to an encoder?
This happened a lot with Dolphin, ideally it would sync for some TASVideos member other than you, not necessarily staff or encoder. That person would need to make a lossless dump, send it to us, and then we would properly encode it.
Warning: When making decisions, I try to collect as much data as possible before actually deciding. I try to abstract away and see the principles behind real world events and people's opinions. I try to generalize them and turn into something clear and reusable. I hate depending on unpredictable and having to make lottery guesses. Any problem can be solved by systems thinking and acting.
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