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Warp wrote:
Could a "flawless" run be longer than necessary (iow. have unnecessary delays)? If the answer is yes, then it all comes down to the definition of "flawless". I think it's difficult to define it so that you are not simply defining a (perfect) speedrun.
Flawless means "the player doesn't do what he doesn't want to do", which implies lack of any deviations from the movie creator's plan. As long as the plan itself is defined, definition of flawlessness will come after it.
Warp wrote:
(For example, if you define "flawless" as "beats the game by taking no damage", then a 5-hour SMB run could be "flawless" by that definition, but certainly wouldn't comply with common sense.)
I don't think a 5-hour SMB run is something that can be made to showcase a superior playing skill.
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Warp wrote:
My guess is that there's *no* simple, clear and unambiguous definition.
Let me try… Superplay is an act or a result of [near-]flawless completion of a game or its segment, aimed at showcasing superior playing skills and knowledge of the game. Would that be good enough? Perhaps, it would be wiser to have speedruns and scoreattacks as subsets of superplay (as in: speedrun — superplay that has completion time as its primary goal; scoreattack — ditto for score).
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Blublu wrote:
Since no more "ask me" threads are allowed, is it okay if I create a "ask anyone" thread, where anyone can answer questions instead just the one person who created the thread? People could also direct their questions to a specific person if they wanted, but it would mostly be a free-for-all thread.
I've raised that point here. Apparently, nothing prevents you from starting such a topic provided you know how to deal with its inherent problem.
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Warp wrote:
I have never understood the need for some people to split their archives into a myriad of small files. It wasn't useful 15 years ago, and it's much less useful today (when >100MB files are extremely common). It just doesn't make any sense.
moozooh wrote:
This function gained popularity in times when BitTorrent wasn't yet popular, and most hosters including one-click host services only allowed files of very limited size, like 10 or 20 MB.
How else do you think they would share files?
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Bisqwit wrote:
The times I would like to visit: -- Some of the days when Christ walked on earth ---- Because I just would like to be there to see those events myself.
Just out of curiosity, what would you think/do if for some reason you failed to witness the respective events (for instance, if they happened in a totally different manner or not at all)?
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Cave Story seconded. You definitely won't regret it.
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Very good and enjoyable run; yessing it.
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It's a usual multi-part RAR archive, extract it and it will fuse everything together. This function gained popularity in times when BitTorrent wasn't yet popular, and most hosters including one-click host services only allowed files of very limited size, like 10 or 20 MB. Since then, the limitations has been dropped considerably, and everyone who's using archive splitting for BitTorrent releases is pretty much a retard.
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Twelvepack wrote:
Coke or pepsi?
Page four.
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Download one (1) copy, then label it "clean copy", then copy it and use.
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It won't find anything, because FDS disk is rewritable, so the SRAM is all written back to the file. Once you use it, it becomes "dirty", so you should always have a clean copy of it.
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AKA wrote:
I think the trouble with games like Super Metroid (and I only know to well myself) given the fact that its immenceslely popular. That pretty much anyone voting, whose a fan of the game will vote yes to pretty much any catagory or run given the fact that its decently optimized. To put it in the simpliest terms to Moozooh (I somehow think he'll entirely look over this point or take it out of context), if OoT had a timer which showed at the end with cutscenes and certain texts not counting towards the ingame time, would you accept a different run which doesn't skip those cutscenes and text just because it lowered the ingame time even though there is a real time run which skips them, but doing so takes longer in terms ingame time.
I understand your point. This particular route in regards to realtime/ingame tradeoffs is about a minute longer than the corresponding realtime-based run. Going by OoT's orders of magnitude, a three minute tradeoff in two hour long run wouldn't be noticeable to me (I'd be tired of watching a two hour run no matter what the game is, believe me). Furthermore, if it allowed different (faster) tricks between the cutscenes — well, basically, if it corresponded to qualities listed here, it would have probably been even more enjoyable, as long as it kept the tradeoff that low. I can't say for sure because I don't like the game and thus don't know it well. However, I do remember the Sonic run, one of major reasons for lack of entertainment in which was aiming for realtime (and I agree with it), resulting in ugly slowdowns. It puzzles me that aiming for ingame time in Sonic games is enjoyable and widely accepted despite the huge-ass delays, and deemed slow and boring in Super Metroid, which also has internal timer with invisible fractions.
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Post subject: Re: words dot gif
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JXQ wrote:
I think it's good for xkeeper and others to express both their approvals and concerns on the site, even if it doesn't cause much change.
Right. I would point out that it's better for every possible constructive purpose to do that when and where appropriate, isn't it? I wouldn't want to drag the ingame/realtime discussion to topics that have nothing to do with it. Also, rant bandwagon (one person rants, other joins with a different subject) is never constructive.
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mike89 wrote:
Speaking as a speedrunner, I would just like to say that I find the notion of publishing a TAS due to faster in-game time equating to comparing TASes directly with speedruns is absurd. I haven't watched either run, nor have I even played Super Metroid, so I can't comment on entertainment merit. But the above strikes a chord with me as a speedrunner and I'm sure many of the regulars here don't want TASvideos to be represented in that way, intentionally or otherwise.
I think VANDAL means that going for ingame time makes it easier for unassisted players to relate to, both in terms of enjoyment and planning the strategies/tricks/routes for future unassisted runs, which is definitely a bonus rather than otherwise.
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Post subject: Re: words dot gif
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Xkeeper wrote:
So I like ranting because I think where Nesvideos is going sucks, and will probably continue to do so until the "post reply" button stops working.
And how much do you think you have achieved by doing that?
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Warp wrote:
*Ahem* Number of frames? Even a computer program can measure that.
Sounds like you're measuring car's speed in frames, too. :P Have you ever noticed that, for instance, when you drive at 40 km/h, then accelerate to 90, it feels too fast? Have you noticed that, if you accelerate to 200+ km/h and drive like that for some time, then decelerate to 90 km/h, it will feel slow? Have you noticed that driving at 40 km/h on a car and on a bike is completely different? For instance, I have. Same speed feels differently depending on many circumstances, you can't just deny that. Thus, perception of speed is subjective, nonperception is irrelevant by default. Perception of time suffers the same fundamental symptoms, actually. That's why instead of concentrating on an arbitrary number in case the goals are different, concentrate on the gameplay, and see which one appears slower.
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Alright, now that it's settled, could I ask a moderator to move the posts from this one onward to a separate thread and possibly lock them there? Would be highly appreciated.
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Fabian wrote:
If you were inaccurate in your choice of words, would you say it's fair for someone who read those words to conclude you were talking rambling nonsense? If not, why is that?
Because it's still not rambling nonsense, given the context of discussion? At least it seems so to me.
Fabian wrote:
I'm sure pasting the rest of the conversation would help you out on that, but the rest of the conversation, it sounds like, deals with the 100% subjective stuff. Why would you (or me) need help justifying your position there? No one is calling it into question, it's subjective.
Hahahaha, nice one. So basically, you pasted only that part of discussion which helped you to make a point, disregarding the rest, even though it had primary relevance to the subject at hand, and was not more or less subjective than the first part. That's a real argument winner right there.
Fabian wrote:
"Everyone" is obviously a lie, you're right. "So often" is subjective, and I have no problem with my choice of words there. I hear you on the elitist thing, I just don't agree. Again it's a matter of opinion. It's understandable you don't feel you act in a certain way, it's probably understandable how I might disagree too.
Since I don't really care too much, it's alright with me that you think of me whatever you do. However, if you agree that the point is questionable, do you consider your actions productive?
Fabian wrote:
This is where we don't agree. Of course I don't recall (m)any specific examples, if you felt like searching for our ~10 heated discussions we could maybe do some evaluating, but it seems pointless. The watermark thing is the only thing (and most recent I think?) that springs to mind. Wasn't there something else just a couple days before that? I'm not sure.
Dunno, I admit I have no recollection of something like that happening. Which is why, if it really bothers you, you should at least find something next time you decide to settle the conflict in such a way, otherwise it's nothing more than meaningless bickering with you coming off as no less an asshole as I am, which doesn't benefit neither you nor anyone else.
Fabian wrote:
I have no idea about the specific issue about the votes etc.
In short, this is what happened: 1) Turok submission received 20 yes votes; 2) adelikat, who was one of those 20, wrote a post where he explained he was entertained, then rejected it on grounds of being suboptimal; 3) someone else voted no (and I seem to recall there being a post about that from the person who voted no); 4) Twelvepack concluded the no vote came from a judge, and started a rant (in form of a rant); 5) Comicalflop pointed it out to him that the reasons the submission was rejected were completely unrelated to that vote; 6) Twelvepack ignored it and continued the rant here, which is why I decided to shut him. And now he's trolling, which confirms my claim of his stupidity.
Fabian wrote:
Yeah I guess it's a "crusade for justice against you" if you want to put it like that. Like I said it pisses me off when you act like you do and say what you do to people. I'm not trying to achieve anything special except point out to you that you're being an asshole and if you considered it and maybe changed that would be a great bonus too.
That's noble. But then again, in order to increase the efficiency of your actions, I would advise to point out what exactly I did wrong, and possibly suggest an alternative — otherwise it's no better than Phil or Saturn claiming someone's run is improvable, but not mentioning where or how.
Fabian wrote:
Don't really understand this, doesn't seem like two connected statements at all. Anyway what I'm looking for is to tell you you're being an asshole. It's fine if you think my argument sucks, though I wish you wouldn't.
You strive to reach a noble goal in treacherous ways, that's what sucks about it. In other words, being counterproductive to your own goal.
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It was very entertaining. Congratulations!
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Fabian wrote:
I think it's a bit shitty of you to change "speed is subjective" to "perception of speed is subjective" since it's just a 180 degree turnaround and completely changes what you're talking about, but whatever it's fine.
You can't measure speed without perceiving it. I've had this argument about subjectivity going on since late 2005 ([1], [2]). Yes, two days ago in the channel I was inaccurate in my choice of words (forgive me), but it doesn't mean I have changed my position a little bit in regards to what I meant.
Fabian wrote:
We also disagree about what's important when it comes to timing method/level of optimization/goal importance/etc but that stuff is 100% subjective so there's no point bringing that up in here trying to convince the other he's "wrong" or anything.
I accept that, and it was the reason I wanted you to paste the rest of the conversation, where I actually show that I really do. Apparently, not pasting it would help you get the point across, but let's be fair.
Fabian wrote:
Anyway to answer your other concerns, the tirade was embarrassing for you.
Completely ungrounded, needless to say.
Fabian wrote:
I am eager to shut you up a lot of the time because you are an elitist asshole who attack others for things you are guilty of yourself. If you didn't get up on your high horses and had to put everyone down so often we'd get along just fine.
Everyone, so often? Fabian, what the hell? I agree I may often sound rude (being an asshole, if you wish, not like you are much different in this respect), but honestly, why are you accusing me of being elitist? Just because I'm telling someone off it doesn't mean I want to claim the superiority of my position or use something else like that to make a point. I always elaborate and back up my words, and never discard anyone else's opinion on grounds of being unworthy. I really don't understand why do you think I'm an elitist, perhaps you want to elaborate? (With examples, please.) Moreover, regarding Twelvepack's issue, I know for sure you understood (and probably even share) my position, yet you used it to attack me by comparison of apples to oranges. Uncool.
Fabian wrote:
This is really the main point, I'm not looking to blow holes in your argumentation just for the fun of it or because I "just don't like you".
This is begging a question. As the issue you brought up was clearly unrelated to the topic at hand, was this argument simply a crusade for justice against moozooh the elitist asshole? Sweet, but what were you trying to achieve by starting it, especially here on the forums? You're saying you're not looking to blow holes in my argumentation, yet you have them in yours, since in your attacks you resort to ungrounded and farfetched statements, refuse to address many questions directed at you, and so on. I don't really understand it, and it doesn't seem like you would explain everything to me, but probably you should prepare yourself better next time.
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Alright, I have no problems addressing all of this.
Fabian wrote:
[16:34:30] <moozooh> it being slower is also subjective because in the actual rooms, where the gameplay happens, it's faster.
Yes, it is subjective, there is nothing wrong with this statement. I, who is used to play this game very often, make note of the gameplay sequences more so than all the others, so it makes perfect sense when I think that when something is slower due to lack of items allowing greater speed, it is slower overall. Perception of speed is subjective by definition.
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[16:38:31] <moozooh> Baxter: yet it is. yet again, if hero made a run on 1.51 that was slower in realtime due to the emulator-added lag, you likely wouldn't that argument, because (guess what) speed is subjective. but i have no intention to fight other people's opinions, so i won't continue this argument either. [16:38:49] <moozooh> present that argument* [16:38:59] <Fabian_> wow you're really grabbing for straws here moozooh =/
Good job on completely dismissing the main point of my statement, as usual. But in truth, if such run was submitted, you would in fact have to choose what is more important in this case, actual optimization, or the number you see in the "time" field. Call it grabbing for straws, but the question is absolutely valid, and it has fundamental importance not limited to Super Metroid or any other game. In fact, this question has been raised before with games like Star Fox, for instance.
Fabian wrote:
16:40:08] <moozooh> no, it's just an example that the numbers you see in the "time" field don't always constitute the level of optimization, entertainmment or anything else. [16:40:45] <moozooh> and your general argument is "this number is bigger, boo hoo".
See above. Cpadolf's submission has clearly higher level of optimization (and is more up-to-date in general), which was confirmed by Hero of the day — it is only because of his choice of goals this argument is happening. The question of ingame vs. realtime is exactly the same as with, for instance, taking damage to save time vs. taking no damage. You have no right to imply that a run made without taking damage is less optimized than a run made with it; yes it would pose the same problem regarding which of them to consider more optimal. Obviously, a friendly approach would imply looking at comparable sequences and seeing which of them is faster there. Rejecting a no-damage run just because it's slower would be very short-sighted. Abolishing no-damage category because it's slower by definition than taking damage to save time (and being fundamentally redundant in runs where taking damage doesn't save any) is something I don't see happening, and I don't see why having ingame time as a goal is so different, either. Care to share your thoughts?
Fabian wrote:
[16:42:49] <moozooh> <Baxter> it's slower than the current run <-- based on numbers, not gameplay.
See above. The argument form it was presented in clearly implied that instead of overall gameplay, movie length was given priority in appraising the quality. Now please, would you also paste a few more lines which concluded the discussion, where I further elaborate my position and give my opinion on other arguments? Unfortunately, my IRC client (Opera, which is also my browser) doesn't save logs so I can't do that myself. Also, I would still like you to elaborate who the aforementioned "tirade" was embarrassing for, and also why are you so eager to shut me up every time I say something that doesn't appeal to you.
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Fabian wrote:
Sorry man but that's just an outright lie.
Mind if I ask you to prove your words, for once?
Fabian wrote:
All I'm saying is if it's ok for you to go on like that when you find something you find unjust and still are way off about, jumping at people's throats for making like 2 posts because they "struck a nerve" is just bullshit.
Stop the hypocrisy, would you. You yourself are jumping at my throat every time you decide my words are not justified, each time comparing apples and oranges, even though I present well-argumented justification for all of them, which you choose to ignore because it's all a matter of opinion. Questioning the argumentation is one thing, defying it is another. I was arguing with Baxter and others not because they said something I thought was fair but decided to deny it, it was because their arguments themselves I considered questionable, as they were addressed multiple times in two threads from a fairly friendly to any party point of view.
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Who was it embarrassing for? You? I made valid, backed up points, none of them based on false accusations.
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What tirade?
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Twelvepack wrote:
Dont you hate it when that 1 was a judge?
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20 yes, 0 meh and 1 no, and because the one person who voted no was a judge, it gets rejected.
Warp wrote:
Edit: I think I understand now: It's my avatar, isn't it? It makes me look angry.