I was wondering, has any dis-assembly work been done on this game to get some strong evidence of where things are optimal or not? It still looks like it's mostly empircal guess work finding strategies and it would interesting to know if there are any really un-intuitive strategies that could still save more time.
[10:45 PM] moozooh: with mtpo's popularity i'm surprised its cpu opponent logic hasn't yet been disassembled and thoroughly mapped out [10:54 PM] RetroEdit: Maybe there are edge cases in the logic that were overlooked? But yeah, I'm a bit surprised too. [10:56 PM] adelikat: you say that as if doing so would mean optimal strats would be easily found [10:56 PM] moozooh: well, save for bruteforcing that's also the only way to find optimal strats... [10:57 PM] RetroEdit: In conjunction with effective search algorithms, yeah, I would expect fully disassembling the behavior to yield optimal strats. [10:58 PM] MemoryTAS: Certain games have disassembled for years and yet still new discoveries could come [10:58 PM] MemoryTAS: that's not to say that it's not powerful but [10:58 PM] moozooh: mtpo has a different decision tree compared to most games
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The game doesn't consider it a 'game over' until both players lose all of their lives. If a player has two weapons, the player still gets to keep one of them after losing all lives. A continue is a limited resource that isn't used until both players lose all of their lives. Stealing the other player's lives without using up continues is an intended mechanic and it's used in most Contra games. Speaking of Contra games, this isn't the only TAS to use the live stealing mechanic. The two player Contra and Super C TAS also use live stealing.
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The only places where it saves the most amount of time is in stages 1 and 3. we dont expect to use them anywhere else.
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This movie ends with initiation of attack against the final boss. This allows a cutscene to play out and stops when user input is needed to scroll text.
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You are missing the point. It has already been decided that THE GLITCH IS NOT REASON ENOUGH TO WARRANT A NEW BRANCH. Spike clearly showed that, and you somehow completely glossed over that fact. Just because you THINK it could be acceptable doesn’t mean anything.
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Given the recent change from "not faster than" to "slower than" for speed rules; these two criteria are now somewhat in conflict. One criterion (in the rules on triviality) essentially says a run must stand out from human play to be acceptable, while the other criterion (in the rules on speed) essentially says a run simply can't be slower than human play to be acceptable.
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Hey all. I have some possible improvements in case anyone wants to implement/look into them.
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Given that the observable universe is smaller than the entire universe, what kind of "evidence of any boundaries or wraparounds" would you expect to see?
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So how am I gonna solve it? Several people prepared to see this run rejected, several people said it'd be very bad to combine branches, several people said singular branches look similar, and now after measuring everything we currently have, Sonic is the least unique singular branch.
So since it functionally is a lower-glitch, more-sightseeing any%, it should be published in a separate branch, but eventually replaced with a proper low-glitch, more-sightseeing any%, also played with solo Sonic.
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Regarding glitchless/low glitch runs. That actually ties into this topic. I was considering making some myself at some point in the future, but after this ordeal I’m afraid of what may happen if I do so.
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