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I didn't like the new style at first, but now I'm starting to get used to it. I still don't like the blue links over the light blue background, but otherwise it feels a lot better than the old one.
Also, the "tasnapshot.tar.bz2" file at TASvideos Snapshot hasn't been working for a while, I hope you can fix it.
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I can confirm symbolic X is using the correct rom.
symbolic X wrote:
I seek to post fastest time in a way the judges can accept. I can't beat the record because of limitation, but I seek to rip my own.
If you can't beat the record, judges will never accept it, unless you find a way to make it more entertaining, which is not happening with this game (this game: slow = really boring).
And what kind of limitation are you talking about?
I've tried TASing this game before* and Sami's record is easily improvable. If I recall correctly, you can shave some seconds even before starting the first ship stage.
You're currently doing it all wrong, symbolic X. For example, you *have* to watch some memory addresses like speed and position. You'll find that you can't even waste a single frame on the floor, because your speed will get cut at half. And you really need to compare your position with the previous record to make sure you're not making some big mistakes somewhere.
*I lost my WIP movie when my disc died some time ago. I'll probably work again on this game as soon as I finish other projects I'm currently working on, if there's still no movie published of it.
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Short, entertaining and a lot faster than the other submissions (this is not really surprising, though :P).
I give it a strong Yes vote. Good job.
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You can always disable DirectX acceleration completely, like this (images as guides as I don't have an English Windows):
1. Run "dxdiag" (image).
2. In the "screen" tab disable DirectDraw acceleration (image).
3. Accept the next alert (image).
4. Game now looks pixelated (image).
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Aqfaq wrote:
How did posting that help you reproduce, LagDotCom? Or did you post it for another reason?
The main aim of reproduction is to try to preserve our genes. By posting that, LagDotCom probably has motivated some fellow humans to keep reproducing and thus preserving most of his genes in an indirect way.
Aqfaq wrote:
What would you tell to the unfortunate people who (for a reason or another) can't reproduce?
They can always help other humans to make it easier to reproduce, survive, etc. You know what they say: "have a baby, plant a tree and write a book". So they still have two other options to help keep fellow humans' genes alive throughout time. :P
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Baxter wrote:
Well, I meant it would be very possible to use that system to implement your idea of having something ongoing the entire year also.
That would be really nice.
Baxter wrote:
I personally don't think that people will, because of the existence of a list like this think "Hmm, I want to score points, lets TAS a SMS game". I think people will TAS games that they like in the end anyway.
Yeah, probably; but at least it might help a little bit for that, perhaps...
Baxter wrote:
btw, the link you posted lists Saturn as TASer of 2004, while it should be Phil.
Er... Yeah, it looks like a PHP bug to me. I also noticed the page didn't load the CSS style on IE and Firefox, I just fixed it.Baxter wrote:
Either way, with your system, I don't know if the term "world nr 1 TASer" is appropriate, if it only focusses on providing a bigger variety.
The "World Number 1" and all that stuff wasn't really mean to be taken too seriously, just for a bit of fun.
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I made a quick script in PHP and redid the images of the OP, this time for real:
Hall of fame:
You can also see every year's Top-20 here: tasrace.php.
And here's the source code in case someone wants to modify it or just play with different values for the points: http://pastebin.com/f17788f8b. (It uses this page to get the data: http://tasvideos.org/NewMovies.html.)Baxter wrote:
This example basically has a lot of different complaints in it, for instance, preferring some systems over others, preferring new runs, preferring large improvements, and so on.
That's correct. This list aims to generate more variety for the site; it doesn't take into account if it took a lot of effort to make or not. What I really want (and hopefully other people want this too) is having new material and not even more Metroid/Mario/Zelda/Megaman movies with only small improvements.
Baxter wrote:
In the end, I think the idea of having such a list might be cool, but we already have such a list. The current ranking system assigns scores to your TASes according to their ratings, in a fair way.
I have some problems with that list: most people don't even know it exists and it's not a lot of fun. This list also aims to provide fun to TASers.
Mukki wrote:
I like the idea, however this could be ruined by a player submitting five or six poor runs in a year rather than two or three good ones just to get points on the board.
If someone submits poor runs they shouldn't get published, as we've always done. I don't think this could become a problem. And of course, this idea is only a draft; we could fix the underlying workings later as soon as we see someone is trying to cheat the system. :P
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Warp wrote:
Would "100% faster" mean that the new movie is 0 frames in length, or half the frames than the older one?
Interesting, never thought of that. It seems the second option is the better one, as nineko pointed out.
nineko wrote:
Did I get it wrong?
I think you got it right. Making a movie so fast would be like winning a Grand Slam or something. :P
Xkeeper wrote:
On topic, though, the major thing this leaves out is those who participate on the forums in WIP discussions, providing help and resources. While a finished product is good, we really shouldn't forget about the people who help it get there.
Well, we usually do with our current system too, but there's some big satisfaction with just getting your name on the thanks list of a submission. Also, there couldn't be a possible way to automatically calculate that, sadly.
Derakon wrote:
encouraging people to TAS never-before-TASed games could get a lot of crap games on the workbench
That's what our judges are for. They (and we) would decide which games are good or not and then there wouldn't be any trouble. If there would really be a lot of crap games, we could get a few more judges to help.
@all: I took the names for the list from the last poster of each forum and then I put them on Wikipedia's current ATP lists. They're not real. :P
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It would be nice to have an ATP-Race-like ranking.
Wikipedia wrote:
The ATP defines the ATP Race as "an easy-to-understand, simple-to-follow annual race from season start to season end. Every player starts at zero at the beginning of the year and the player who accumulates the most points by season's end is the World Number 1".
So, I know we've discussed rankings ideas a thousands times already, but I think this one is really simple and it could be somewhat fun. Also, it may get more people to finish TASes just to be the World Number 1 or at least a Top 10. :P
What I had in mind was something like this (numbers are only used as an example):
- For every published TAS the player would get 100 points.
- To promote TASes on different systems, the less TASes a console has, the more extra points the player gets. For example, a TAS for the SMS gets +25 extra points, a TAS for the N64 gets +15 extra points, for the NES it only gets +5, etc.
- To promote new games, TASes of never published before games would get +25 extra points.
- To promote significant obsoletions, TASes would get extra points depending on how much of an improvement it has against the obsoleted movie. For example, a new movie 5% faster than the old one would get +5 extra points, a movie 20% faster would get +20 extra points, etc.
We can automatically calculate all these points and have a live ranking with all of the players and their points and all that. The one with the most points at the end of the year, he becomes the World Number 1 TASer.
Mock-up for people who can't read my English or are lazy to read something this long or just don't care at all about this idea but they want to see a picture of something anyway:
And the Hall of Fame:
(Names are only used as examples.)
Does anyone else like this idea?
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I agree with pirate_sephiroth here. It looks like you're being a bit possessive too much. I think we've all been like that on our first relationship, but still it's something really bad to do. Worrying so much will only make her leave you faster. :P
Also, almost every girl who uses the internet has thousands of "online boyfriends", you have to get used to it. If you don't like it, try to get girls who aren't internet addicts from anywhere else...
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Xkeeper wrote:
That was more of an implication that he was leaving what most people percieve him to excel at (programming, coding) for something religion based, which given that he is considering turning off his server lately, seems to imply that whatever his "God-given job" will be won't involve it.
Which isn't really that close when you think about it.
I see. I fail at reading implications.
EDIT: by the way, this is the full quote; hopefully people won't misread it like I did anymore.
qFox wrote:
It seems to me like you're a great coder and know your stuff. Tbh, I've been a little disappointed to learn you're so much into your religion. I wouldn't have guessed that myself before.
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Xkeeper wrote:
I don't think anybody was ever claiming that they couldn't be.
Not exactly the same, but close:
qFox wrote:
It seems to me like you're a great coder and know your stuff. Tbh, I've been a little disappointed to learn you're so much into your religion.
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qFox wrote:
I'm a little afraid you're throwing your current life away for this "mission".
That's what it's all about. Jesus always said to give up everything we had to get what we could never get otherwise.
I'm an atheist too, but I've read parts of the Bible (The New Testament is really good, even if you don't believe in all the supernatural stuff; and you know most atheists read supernatural crap like Harry Potter and LotR anyway). And I love seeing people getting "the call of God", they get all that inspiration all of a sudden and start making some important changes in the world or they become amazing artists somehow. :P
...And talking about great artists and callings of God, Caravaggio's "The Calling of Saint Matthew" must be the best painting ever made. (So, yeah, non-atheist people can be very smart and talented too. Kind of shocking, eh?)
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Go before the gate goes down
When you hear the calling sound
You will not be turned away
Bring your weakness with your strength
La la la...
One of my favorite songs. :D
I'm happy to see God has called you, Bisqwit. And I'm also happy to see the site will probably have some deeper changes in the future; hopefully they will be for the better.
I'd love to help you with "Site development and maintaining", as PHP (+MySQL) is my favorite language, but I understand if you need a closer person for that role.
Good luck with your new job. :)
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Warp wrote:
You keep using that expression over and over. Just drop it. It doesn't exist anymore anywhere. You seem to have some kind of compulsive obsession about it.
I know; I don't use it myself since some time ago. You should now start telling the other 2242 users to stop using that system, starting from our judges.
Warp wrote:
By the same logic the entertainment rating should be dropped as well, because, after all, it makes two thirds of the average score visitors see in the movie info page.
Why visitors would interpret some semi-hidden (as in: it doesn't show explicitly in the movie info page) "technical quality rating" differently from the equally semi-hidden "entertainment rating" is beyond me.
The "entertainment rating" is accurate, the "technical quality rating" is not. That's what I've been trying to tell you from the beginning.
I don't want to keep this discussion even longer. So, thanks for reading my concerns and giving me your opinions about them. I'll see what can I do with all this.
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Warp wrote:
You keep insisting that "technical rating" cannot be subjective. Who says that? I don't say that. I don't know anyone else saying that. Well, except you.
No one says that. That's the problem. You're all very convinced that "how close to perfection" is only subjective, that every people have a different sense of perfection. Like, I say the perfect time for Super Mario is 4:00 and Bisqwit says it's 3:00, and we both are right.
Warp wrote:
What newcomers see when they watch the info for a movie is a number titled "rating", which additionally tells how many people have voted. They don't even see a "technical quality" anywhere, unless they go to the rating details page. And even there it says nothing about "perfection" or anything of the sorts. Rating, votes... how the heck could they get the impression that this number is somehow an objective absolute measure of perfection? You are seeing something which simply is not there.
That's exactly the problem. They go the NES page and see this number and think "oh, cool, this Dragon's Lair movie must be more entertaining than Gone with the Wind". Little do they know that most people have given high ratings to that boring game only because they assumed the movie was almost frame-perfect.
Warp wrote:
I repeat: If you don't like the technical quality rating, just ignore it. It's that simple.
I repeat: that doesn't solve my problem, at all. :)
I understand that what I want will never happen anyway, because you've all been here since a long time ago, and probably you all love the old "tech quality" rating and would miss it. Also, as mmbossman pointed out, this is just for fun; I shouldn't take these wasted hours of work seriously anymore.
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stickyman05 wrote:
I don't see how people can vote 10s on technical, when in some instances (See my old movie rating for mario 64) a month later the game is 10 seconds faster, and more frame perfect.
So why do we even have the option to vote 10 if we must not do that? Everything on the tech quality rating as we use it is flawed...
stickyman05 wrote:
I do not appreciate being brought into the conversation without a direct question as to why I voted that way.
Sorry about quoting you, it was the first example I found. :P
I know we've all voted that way sometime, even I did. I just don't feel like it's right to have this rating anymore...
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moozooh wrote:
While I won't discuss stickyman's reasoning for the vote, technically, he is correct. First generation TASes of even remotely complex games have always, always been improvable because it's quite practically impossible to find everything that will be useful the first time around.
I know that. I only don't like the part where movies have this based-on-assumption number in their tables telling new viewers how good that movie is.
moozooh wrote:
I should also point out that mmbossman's qualms were quite valid. Don't forget that judges are judges because they are supposed to be able to appraise the quality of optimization without having to check everything for themselves (although that's always welcome).
I know, and I like that. What I don't like is having that hypothetic number there telling other people if a movie is good or not.
I repeat: I'm against having a subjective number rating something that's not subjective. You can't really tell how perfect a movie is, you can only assume. That number is only useful to misguide new viewers.
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moozooh wrote:
Mind if I ask for examples?
That was only an exaggerated made-up example; I thought you may know what I meant...
For example, these kind of recent messages:
From here.
stickyman05 wrote:
Don't take the technical vote wrong, I think it looks great. However, considering this is the first possibly published TAS of this game, I feel there is more to improve (such as a glitch or something)
"I will rate lowly this movie because maybe, who knows, there is a glitch to be found..."
And, of course, judges always write them, as seen here, for is their job to do this (but I'm only complaining against using a totally wrong number to indicate if a movie is good or not).
mmbossman wrote:
I'll give it a 4 (tech) /7 (entertainment), but because I only have theories about improvements
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pirate_sephiroth wrote:
klmz said it to zggzdydp, but he didn't give him the credits when he wrote:
"do you want the movie get published" is better than "do you like watching"
Heh, that was funny.
Anyway, I'm going to fix my previous bad behavior in this thread with this:
YES
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Xkeeper wrote:
There is no way to objectively gauge technical rating except for (rarely) one or two people per game, and even then it can be based on incorrect ideas or complete guesses.
After all, if you objectively rate a movie anything under 10, you should be announcing why the movie could be done faster, or even just making a new version yourself immediately.
Exactly. That's what I've been trying to say.
Xkeeper wrote:
Hell, let's remove the whole idea of objectivism by saying that if it was an objective matter, there wouldn't be an option to rate it in the first place. After all, objective would mean that it would be based on something other than an individual viewer's knowledge and ideals, so it might as well be calculated by a robot.
You got it all right.
The big mistake here is to believe that this "how close to perfection" thing can be subjective. But I've been told all people here love these messages: "I think you could maybe shave a frame somewhere, so I will give you only a 9 in tech", so I don't care anymore. I'll try to like those messages too from now on.
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I already told you my problem has nothing to do with me seeing or using the tech quality rating. It has to do with others using it. If I ignore it, it doesn't change absolutely anything.
Warp wrote:
There's no "how close to perfection this movie is?" anywhere (not anymore, at least). And I don't really understand what else people can understand the technical rating to mean other than their opinion of the technical quality of the run. It's not a math question with one right answer. Why would anyone even think of it as that?
I repeat: most (all) people use the technical rating for "how close to perfection this movie is?"; I know it wasn't your original intention, but that message stood there for so long... And yes, that one is a math question with only one right answer.
I read the forums, and there's always this kind of (stupid) comment: "I think you could maybe shave a frame somewhere, so I will give you only a 9 in tech".
Warp wrote:
Besides, according to what several people have written in the past, they want the technical rating to be a measure of frame-perfection (regardless of my loud protests against that idea).
If people really like this system, then that's great. Probably I'm the only one who thinks this is an awful idea, so I'll just keep silent from now.
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Warp wrote:
Who are you to say that someone gave the "wrong" ratings to some movie? There are no "correct" ratings. There are only opinions.
I know. That works great when you're rating something subjective as the entertainment quality of a movie; but the technical quality, as people know it ("how close to perfection this movie is?"), is something objective.
I know I can say "Citizen Kane" is a 10 and a LotR fan can say it's a 2; and that's ok, because that's something subjective.
But if I say Earth's gravity is 9.8 m/s2 and you say it's 1.1 m/s2, then yes, you're wrong. And I don't give a f*ck if that's your opinion.
So, you're right. That's exactly the problem: we don't have any method to get the real tech quality of a movie, only opinions about it; and people shouldn't give a f*ck about them, but instead we have it as a (totally wrong) big number in a table to measure how good a movie is.
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Hall of fame:
You can also see every year's Top-20 here: tasrace.php.
And here's the source code in case someone wants to modify it or just play with different values for the points: http://pastebin.com/f17788f8b. (It uses this page to get the data: http://tasvideos.org/NewMovies.html.)
And the Hall of Fame:
(Names are only used as examples.)
Does anyone else like this idea?
