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There are a couple of places where you do something without an obvious reason, and it would be nice if you could explain it.
In one of the later missions, you build one red Neo Tank, and do nothing with it except move away from the enemy once. Was it necessary to lure enemies into ignoring your main forces?
In another mission "Day 9" is left on screen for a length of time for no clear reason. Was it necessary for RNG manipulation?
There are a few other things, but I did not take detailed notes. It would be very helpful if instances like these were explained in the submission text. I think that given the length of the TAS, the level of play is high enough to vote yes even if these were simply mistakes, but I would still very much like to know.
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bombman wrote:
when angel island act 2 started why did you come to a full stop at the spikes past the starpost instead of rolling under them while charging for the spindash
The only way under those while they are extended is to glide under them as Knuckles.
Also, ditto moozooh about reposting. It is pretty impolite, especially when your question was phrased so vaguely. After all, it doesn't actually say Act 2 on screen until a fair bit after the point you're talking about. And at first you didn't even specify act 2 of which level.
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sgrunt wrote:
upthorn wrote:
Err, actually there's been 6 published ones, I believe.
Sprintgod's, Sprintgod's improvement, Nitsuja's, Nitsuja's improvement, Upthorn's improvement, Marzojr's improvement.
I accidentally labelled my improvement as v4 instead of v5, though.
I was referring to the line of successive edits to nitsuja's original movie, not all of the movies that have been published; I guess I missed that one of them didn't actually exist? I was going by the version number in the metadata.
Yeah, the version number in the metadata is one higher than the version number in the metadata of my last improvement, which is one lower than what it was meant to be (all of the sonic any% s3k movies that have been published).
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sgrunt wrote:
Suggested description wrote:
Ludicrous-speed bouncing around. Completed without collecting any emeralds, with both Sonic and Tails controlled by the player.
This run takes everything you know about Sonic and Knuckles and turns it upside-down. It extensively uses the "scroll objects offscreen to pass through them" trick to zip and warp to places that shouldn't be reached, break bosses, and effectively skip entire stages.
This is the fifth iteration (four of which have been published) of a run that originated with nitsuja, who (along with Upthorn) did not directly participate in the creation of this run; instead marzojr spliced in several new tricks for a total improvement of 46.4 seconds.
Err, actually there's been 6 published ones, I believe.
Sprintgod's, Sprintgod's improvement, Nitsuja's, Nitsuja's improvement, Upthorn's improvement, Marzojr's improvement.
I accidentally labelled my improvement as v4 instead of v5, though.
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Flygon wrote:
Oh, I apologize for my mistake, when reading the authors comments I had gotten the impression that the RNG was 100% frame based.
Well, this isn't actually correct. My comment wasn't referring to the RNG, but the fact that the RNG didn't affect anything gameplay significant. Instead, things significant to gameplay were controlled entirely by the universal frame counter.
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Now that it's clear the author wanted his work here, I'm pleased to say that this looks very clean and is surprisingly fast. I definitely approve of this video being published.
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Johannes wrote:
Can it get any more cryptic?
if you're referring to the KB[somenumber].LOG files, those are actually some of the most clearly labelled files in there.
They're each named after one of the windows "automatic update" patches, and if you google for the KB[somenumber], you'll find an article from microsoft describing the issue and the fix in great detail as the top result.
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moozooh:
Similarly, in books, a vast majority of the character-sequences used to tell the story will be "unoriginal". In fact, in most novels, 100% of the character-sequences will have been previously discovered and used by other people. That is to say, they will be previously existing words that the author did not invent or even refine.
And in many cases, these character-sequences will be the only possible character-sequence to convey the intended meaning within the system of the language.
So why is it that a book can and should be considered a creative work, if a TAS is disqualified for similar reasons?
Baxter:
In cases with team movies, the submitter is still one of the authors. I think it should only be possible for people to submit movies that they are one of the authors of, with the possible exception of site admins so that people who have difficulty with english can request their work to be submitted despite their difficulty reading the form.
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Even aside from that, an author posts a run publically that he doesn't want reposted.
Should he have to vigilantly search the internet at regular intervals to find whether or not it's reposted? Or should he be able to assume reasonably that other people won't take his work and use it without asking him?
I believe that it should be the latter, and in keeping with that, the site should not allow run submissions from non-authors.
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This discussion has merit for decisions regarding future site policy, but it is no longer relevant to the submission, so it should probably be split out of this thread at this point.
Edit: Nice work, moozooh.
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Johannes wrote:
Win7 is practically Vista SP3, and it's still basically XP with higher hardware requirements, a polished UI, more eye candy and more restrictions. And XP's excellent sound recording feature, "Stereo Mix", is still absent.
As I understand it, Stereo Mix is a feature of the sound card, not the operating system. I remember way back I had a sound card that had the "What U Hear" recording device, instead of Stereo Mix.
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I'm currently using an Acer, and I'm fairly satisfied with it. And between the two options you linked in the initial post, it appears to have the better graphics card, as well as being less expensive.
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Wow, this game looks like not a lot of effort was put into making it...
As for the TAS, the routes look well planned (so that collecting the necessary gems is all done basically on the way to the final destination), the movement looks optimized, and the bosses go down quickly.
I have to say, though, that despite all this, it wasn't particularly entertaining to watch. Weak yes bordering on meh.
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I have to agree, this is a pretty impressive improvement to a run that (at least I'd like to think) is already pretty well optimized. I cannot reasonably vote anything but yes.
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OmegaWatcher wrote:
The only one which have any "rights" in this movie is the Nintendo company.
This is like saying that the only one who has any rights to a novel is the paper mill whose sheets were used.
Also I'm not saying fractalfusion should be banned, sued, jailed or anything. What I am saying is that without the express consent of the work's author, the site does not have the right to distribute it.
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Angerfist: Because what FractalFusion did is detestable at best, possibly even criminal, and it pisses me off that he acts like he doesn't even understand why.
If the work in question were a book instead of an input file, and FractalFusion had taken the manuscript and sent it to a publisher under the original author's name, that would very clearly be a crime. Theft, fraud, impersonation, whatever. The publisher wouldn't be able to accept it--regardless of its merits--and the person who did it would be liable for all sorts of criminal and civil suits.
Granted that nobody ever made money off of TASing, but it's the exact same abuse of somebody else's work, so I don't see why we should treat it any differently from the book publisher in such a case.
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FractalFusion wrote:
I felt that veup was sitting on the fence with this TAS (with no evidence of an improved version)
Bottom line is, it's his decision to make, not yours.
FractalFusion wrote:
If I am wrong, and veup is planning on making an improvement, I will cancel this submission.
And why should he have to publically announce his plans to expand or improve on his work to prevent other people from taking the unfinished version and doing whatever the hell they feel like with it?
FractalFusion wrote:
That said, people do have the right to, say, take my unsubmitted runs and submit them (under my name). Or even resubmit a run I cancelled, just because they didn't agree on why I cancelled it.
They do only because you have expressly authorized such activities with this post. Your TAS run is your work, and you own it.
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Whether a TAS is accepted or not shouldn't be about personal issues. At least, hopefully not. And I don't think I'm the first one to do something like this.
It is true that TAS acceptance should not depend on personal issues, but submissions should only be valid if they are made by the author. If he does not want it submitted, it should not be here period. Not even as a gruefood.
And you are very much the first person to have done this. Unless you are talking about those joint authorship cases where somebody contributed their own work to a previously published TAS and then submitted under both names.
As opposed to taking work that is entirely someone else's and they may not even want submitted.
By the way, veup did eventually see my PM, but that was probably after I submitted this. And no response either.
Maybe that's because he speaks fucking Japanese and translating to and from English is difficult and time consuming work? You really have no fucking sense, do you? Jesus Christ, where do you get this sense of entitlement?
Let me put this simply
IT IS NOT YOUR WORK, IT IS NOT YOUR DECISION.
This submission and thread should be deleted. That is DELETED, not cancelled, the HTML file should be destroyed, the zip deleted, and both the submission and its accompanying thread removed from the database. Making the submission requires rights to the work that FractalFusion does not possess.
Additionally, the submission system should be overhauled to remove the ability to submit as an entirely different person.
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OmegaWatcher wrote:
I don't think if would be good to publish without the author's authorization as well, but I can think reasons to ask for someone to publish your movie.
I'm not even talking about publishing it. I think actually this submission should be deleted because it wasn't authorized when it was made. And I don't just mean cancelled...
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moozooh wrote:
Ok guys, before you all gang up on the nasty villain FractalFusion, let's remember that he did not publish this TAS, but only submitted, allowing more people to learn about it and watch it. Think of it as if he had linked to it publicly. We can still reject, postpone or do nothing at all to this submission until we get a response from veup.
The better venue for that would be to link it from the DS games thread. I think it is very bad precedent to set that the author's permission is not required to submit a file to this site.
Edit: Upon further review of the situation (reading the thread for the rejected submission), it semes clear that Veup would want it submitted. However, I still think he should have been contacted first, and given a chance to submit it for himself.
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I actually gave that a fair amount of trying with Sonic back when the Tails version was first discovered. I could not get it to work no matter where I initially landed. At first I attributed this to the fact that Sonic's hitbox is taller, but if Knuckles can do it, then the reason must actually be that Sonic's hitbox is slightly wider.
Alternately, Knuckles' gliding hitbox allows him to land in a place that Sonic can't reach.
But maybe it is worth a few more tries.
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