Post subject: Do you play or TAS a game first?
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I'm really interested to see whether people actually play the games they TAS beforehand, or do they just start TASing straight away. Personally, I don't. I TAS a game without playing it normally, unless, by coincidence, I've played it before in some distant past. I usually find that if I play the game first, assumptions and expectations from normal gameplay affect the way I TAS the game, which is usually not a good thing. If I haven't played the game before, I tend to be more objective. However, I always do testruns if I am going to try something new or different, so I know that something is at least possible before I try to optimise it. This eliminates embarrasing moments when I realise I have to redo a large portion of a run, becuase I made a false assumption.
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I tend to play the game normally and create a testrun after that. I also tend to look for glitches and RAM adresses or runs made by other people.
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I try to only pick games to TAS that I have played before. And preferly games that I already know several tricks and such in, as it will help the TASing a lot. If I do try to TAS something I haven't played, it has to be something straight forward that doesn't really require any planning. And when I do, I just TAS it through without playing it first.
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I usually play around with the game if I'm not familiar with it, but not that much and not always. For example, I didn't play M.C. Kids at all before TASing it, but I did play it a bit after TASing it and then reTASed it. Playing it didn't really help the TASing at all though. Then I've TASed games that I've played a lot, like Duck Tales games, The Flintstones and Little Nemo.
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I usually do a console speedrun of a game before I TAS it. I'm not the usual...
Super Mario Bros. console speedrunner - Andrew Gardikis
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That's... Wha? How can you speedrun a game without having played it before? That's just going to make you a lot more likely to run into places where you learn something new is possible that forces you to redo everything you've done. I wouldn't start a tool-assisted speedrun unless I already had a pretty good idea of how the whole thing was going to look. Faulty assumptions usually come in from NOT having played the game enough. If I'm trying out an emulated game for the first time, I like to start with a few "genuine" plays where I just see how far I get without using savestates. After those few Game Overs, I'll have an idea of the game's difficulty and pacing. Then I'll do a "serious" play where I complete the whole game with as much savestate abuse as necessary--possibly more than necessary if I'm feeling perfectionist about not missing anything or not failing anywhere. I might even use frame advance to see what improbable maneuvers can be made or just to watch some speedier animations frame-by-frame. Then if I really like the game, I may learn how to play the game from start to finish without savestate abuse, see if I can pull off any strange combos or sequence breaks along the way (where I might allow savestates again to check the possibility), or just start checking how feasible it would be to make a full TAS--but those prior activities are usually important to planning the TAS properly, I feel! So I guess I'm not like other people who can look at a new game, whip up a decent strategy for completing a good TAS, and quickly finish and forget it. I basically have to be completely in love with the game over a period of months for there to be a chance of finishing a TAS, and the game can't be so complex that I can't be 100% sure I've got the perfect route and mastered the physics, or the perfectionist in me will just worry too much and never get anything serious accomplished!
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