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THC98
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I went back to this game to make a small ring attack TAS that was requested by a lot of people! Sky Deck: 994 rings in 2:17.15 Link to video
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THC98 wrote:
I went back to this game to make a small ring attack TAS that was requested by a lot of people! Sky Deck: 994 rings in 2:17.15 Link to video
I think the best thing about that is that the rings can't catch up to sonic
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Just in case anyone ever gets bored enough to make Amy's Story TAS, it has some new clips now ;) Link to video The other one is using the old man statue to clip in the first minute of the game. Not sure if it's on youtube or not, I saw it here: http://www.twitch.tv/venick/b/544370049
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i had forgot how short the AMy's story was
TAS i'm interested: Megaman series, specially the RPGs! Where is the mmbn1 all chips TAS we deserve? Where is the Command Mission TAS? i'm slowly moving away from TASing fighting games for speed, maybe it's time to start finding some entertainment value in TASing.
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RIP Hedgehog Hammer skip https://twitter.com/Venick409/status/486084964123832320 @Venick409 JK Hedgehog Hammer skip dead ends because SADX is a bad game.
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Damn, that skip would've been so sick =/
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SADX is notorious for having skips that don't work because a later mission doesn't show up, unfortunately (or maybe fortunately, so you can see all the missions! ;) )
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Yeah, I've been personally been looking into breaking Sonic's episode, but so far I haven't been actually able to skip anything due to later stuff depending very strictly on it. And although it's possible to do stuff out of order, none of it actually saves any time because you'll eventually have to purposely go back to those places in order to push the story along its usual path (Casinopolis, Speed Highway). EDIT: the only thing that might work out is an Ice Stone skip, but I'm unsure if it would actually save time over perfect movement picking up and carrying the item (you'd have to go out of bounds to get back out and reach the Knuckles fight)
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It's impossible to skip any level/boss/cutscene in the game, because that would make you unable to continue in the game. I'll give you an example: We call all the levels, bosses, cutscenes and obligatory upgrades as triggers. As Sonic, if you complete Emerald Coast, Egg Hornet, Windy Valley and do early Speed Highway, the game won't let you watch "Amy being caught by Zero" cutscene, because there are many missing triggers (Light Speed Shoes, Casinopolis, Ice Cap, Chaos 4, Sky Chase act 1 and Twinkle Park). Just like that example, Hedgehog Hammer skip as Amy wouldn't be useful in a run. About Ice Stone skip, it IS possible to skip the Ice Stone as Sonic, it just wasn't found when I did my TAS. You can get out of there with a spindash jump towards the ceiling from the pool thing in Ice Cap area. It should save around 10-15 seconds. And I'd like to share you guys a recent found by cjbqulix, that we are working on to find a way to make it save time in a run. It's about a wrong warp using cutscenes: http://www.twitch.tv/cjbqulix/c/4544111 Basically, if you do things in the wrong order and do a game over before the cutscene after the wrong order levels, the cutscene will be wrongly played. In that video, not many weird things happened, it was just a weird cutscene with a death, but things like appearing in the lost jungle with the Ice Stone can happen! So we're doing a lot of researches in this :)
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Neo
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THC98 wrote:
About Ice Stone skip, it IS possible to skip the Ice Stone as Sonic, it just wasn't found when I did my TAS. You can get out of there with a spindash jump towards the ceiling from the pool thing in Ice Cap area. It should save around 10-15 seconds.
Yeah, I found it on my own while testing the requirements for each event trigger, though I didn't time it. You can clear Ice Cap as soon as you get to Mystic Ruins, and if you do this, Knuckles will appear near the waterfall, but the trigger for his battle event doesn't activate until you've advanced the story to the second day (which happens when go to the casino area after beating Casinopolis and advancing the story to nighttime, which in turn happens when you exit the sewers with the light shoes during sunset, which itself is only triggered after beating Windy Valley... sigh)
THC98 wrote:
And I'd like to share you guys a recent found by cjbqulix, that we are working on to find a way to make it save time in a run. It's about a wrong warp using cutscenes: http://www.twitch.tv/cjbqulix/c/4544111 Basically, if you do things in the wrong order and do a game over before the cutscene after the wrong order levels, the cutscene will be wrongly played. In that video, not many weird things happened, it was just a weird cutscene with a death, but things like appearing in the lost jungle with the Ice Stone can happen! So we're doing a lot of researches in this :)
This is really interesting stuff, and yet already there seems to exist some familiarity with this type of glitch ("Tails does have one!") even though I haven't seen it discussed anywhere else. Are these things being documented somewhere? Is there a forum I should be following or something?
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Neo wrote:
Are these things being documented somewhere? Is there a forum I should be following or something?
We haven't documented it yet, because we don't know almost anything about how they work and how it can be done to save time. We have some discussing chats through Skype though.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4lKGlzstbo So I found something in Emerald coast that I think bit save a little time. The trick is at the end of the video after the Chao Garden OoB bits.
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LancexExWx wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4lKGlzstbo So I found something in Emerald coast that I think bit save a little time. The trick is at the end of the video after the Chao Garden OoB bits.
As I said in the video comments, it has already been used in the Sonic's Story TAS.
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I saw the new Amy story non-TAS record in my youtube feed and got inspired to do a little strat hunting. I remember daydreaming about finding a way to do this back in the day: Link to video
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Here's a smaller time saver in Hot Shelter and a theoretical strat in Final Egg Link to video Link to video Link to video
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Oh man I love that last shortcut! Can't wait to see the final version of this run :)
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AverageTrey wrote:
Damn, that skip would've been so sick =/
At least the next best thing is doable. Link to video
Collecting the upgrade activates a mandatory flag allowing the story to progress, but you can at least collect the upgrade while loading in the next room to save a little time. In this video I have a savestate post-clip, the way I managed to clip out after beating the mini-game was by talking to the computer monitor before time ran out, this allows you to still have full control of Amy, even after Eggman's text shows up.
Edit: I'm disappointed in the community for not having found this already. Link to video
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Here's something as Tails, you can also clip out of the room with the upgrade. Link to video
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are there ways to skip stuff in other stories in similar fashion?this glitched route is way faster than the normal one. Link to video
TAS i'm interested: Megaman series, specially the RPGs! Where is the mmbn1 all chips TAS we deserve? Where is the Command Mission TAS? i'm slowly moving away from TASing fighting games for speed, maybe it's time to start finding some entertainment value in TASing.
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What the hell caused this? This gave 2.5 horizontal velocity. Jumping normally gives between 1.8 and 1.9 and it's fastest point (just before landing). This would save so much time if it can be done elsewhere... Link to video Also here's a clip to get Amy into the casino (it's useless in terms of speedrunning as far as I can tell) Link to video
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i can't really help with the bug,but i thought it was a common known property for amy to get speed from the jump ending with hammer.
TAS i'm interested: Megaman series, specially the RPGs! Where is the mmbn1 all chips TAS we deserve? Where is the Command Mission TAS? i'm slowly moving away from TASing fighting games for speed, maybe it's time to start finding some entertainment value in TASing.
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Yeah, Amy gets upward speed from the hammer jump, somehow I managed to stay grounded and convert to forward speed. Which based on the reaction I got from DMing this video to people in the community, isn't something they've seen before. It would save a lot of time if this works elsewhere. I have it recorded in a dtm, so if anyone wants to look into this and try to solve what happened, that'd be awesome. https://www.dropbox.com/s/ok1fqsyeznwihrr/Amytech.rar?dl=0 It's on 4.0-4222. EDIT: Found another movement tech, falling in the air is the best way to gain speed, so falling off and on the edge of a ledge beats jumping by a lot (around 1 second saved/5 seconds of jumping. Assuming flat ground). Link to video
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Finally every Sonic's stage is done in under a minute! Great achievement for the community :) Link to video
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That Amy tech was ingenious. Hoping to see this game destroyed even further in the future. :)
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