Post subject: TrackMania DS/Turbo
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Well... I have an idea to make a TAS movies of one of this two games. Witch you will make? Your decition :)
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Is it a racing game? Racing games are difficult to make entertaining.
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Yees... They are a racing games relased for DS from NADEO (a maker of ALL series TrackMania for PC and a game TrackMania Wii for... you know xD).
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I think TrackMania could make for some interesting TASes, though.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa <dwangoAC> This is a TAS (...). Not suitable for all audiences. May cause undesirable side-effects. May contain emulator abuse. Emulator may be abusive. This product contains glitches known to the state of California to cause egg defects. <Masterjun> I'm just a guy arranging bits in a sequence which could potentially amuse other people looking at these bits <adelikat> In Oregon Trail, I sacrificed my own family to save time. In Star trek, I killed helpless comrades in escape pods to save time. Here, I kill my allies to save time. I think I need help.
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You're right, Mothrayas Choose to me, with game from this 2 you want to see in TASvideos.org. I will download it, and start to TASing it. (as I can) :)
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I'd go for Trackmania DS, as Turbo hasn't had an US release yet, so it doesn't have an US ROM yet. Furthermore, the games look pretty much identical. Anyway, good luck with your TAS! :)
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa <dwangoAC> This is a TAS (...). Not suitable for all audiences. May cause undesirable side-effects. May contain emulator abuse. Emulator may be abusive. This product contains glitches known to the state of California to cause egg defects. <Masterjun> I'm just a guy arranging bits in a sequence which could potentially amuse other people looking at these bits <adelikat> In Oregon Trail, I sacrificed my own family to save time. In Star trek, I killed helpless comrades in escape pods to save time. Here, I kill my allies to save time. I think I need help.
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I'll start TASing on some days, but the final movie you'll get in 2 months =/
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I've get the WIP1 of TMDS :) Link:http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/34814021/patryk1023-trackmaniads.dsm Use rom "3616 - TrackMania DS (US)(M3)(XenoPhobia).nds" EDIT:Thanks to feos, for encode:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Cmhlrhf2Y8
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Thanks to feos, for encode:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Cmhlrhf2Y8 WATCH IN HD! >:D (TrackMania DS WorkInProcess 1)
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^I don't think you understand the meaning of TAS…
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Well.. You need to be faster than that...
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Need faster time in StadiumA5, because there failed 4 times!
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One thing you should know about TASing, is that you should beat the game faster than the best human player. http://www.vgr-fr.com/index.php5?c=jeu&id=756 These are real-time world records for this game. I'm sorry to tell you that you are far from beating each of these. It's a good thing you weren't far though.
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I'm trying Mister Epic. I'm trying. Only my fucking skill is small. (WTF!? I'm playing TrackMania from 2008, but...) And that fucking fails! >:( Need to improve StadiumA5! Btw. can some one help me?
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Don't give up.. Keep trying. First you have to try to analyze the game mechanics... How the game works..
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Did you play Trackmania United Forever? There are almost this same mechanics, like in DS. :)
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The mechanics are simple, but the hard part is to try figuring out how to complete these tracks as fast as possible. I already tried to TAS Trackmania DS, and I gave up fast, while I was trying to beat the fastest time ever done by a human being, without any tools, on the first (yes, the first) track! TASing is hard, and it requires a lot of patience and determination. These are two basic things you need to become a good TASer. Sadly, I hardly have these when it comes to TASing. It needs to go well, or I have chances to give up. That's why I think I'll simply be a Publisher here (unless we get to finish that Rayman GBA TAS). If you have these two traits, no matter how hard is a project, you can do it. ---- Now, for a more specific tip about your Trackmania DS TAS. I'd suggest you start over your project, and work harder on each tracks. You need to achieve the smallest time on each track. A requirement is to beat the best unassisted record. If you submit a run without doing it, the judge will reject your submission. If you find time-saving glitches when you work on your project, exploit them. If you find any kind of shortcut on a track, use them. Do everything to achieve the smallest time possible, but don't hack the game, and don't use cheats such as Action Replay and Game Genie cheats. In fact, don't use cheats at all. Just finish these tracks as fast as possible. Use glitches and shortcuts if you find some of these. Oh, and don't forget to make a lot of save states! ---- On a side note, I played a lot of Trackmania Nations, and I do think the DS version is basically the same.
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you must also remember that this game is pretty stupid, and there are many such tricks
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I'm curious that did you read the tasvideos general wiki page? I did 16.50 @ StadiumA1 after 10 minutes overall gameplay (I watched the 15.70 vid). I can't even see your optimizations. I don't know anything about this game, but I think you miss many things like gathering speed as fast as it possible. I "jumped" off with 302 speed from the 1st ramp, also optimizing the landing leads to obscure bugs (at the 2nd ramp the game ejected me out of the field to the grass after bouncing once on the final end section) and "speed boost" manipulating. Sorry for writing a bit too harsh, but I think you should understand the purpose of TASing a game, and not just literally make use of the "frame advance". Please read these links, and feel free to ask questions in the Newbie's Corner or even here (according to the topic of your question). Wiki: WelcomeToTASVideos Wiki: Rules Wiki: TASHowTo
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by the way, if anyone wants to TAS this game properly, you should look into why moving slightly to the left/right on the ramp at the start saves a frame in this puzzle it's a Desert puzzle, so it might work only there
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For now I'm not giving up! I'm redoing my TAS and you will see... for long only some WIPs ;/ Well, making a DS TAS is hard. But not giving up!
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I started my own tas a while ago and now I found this topic. My tas is a bit faster than yours if you encode is still up to date. (Ignore DesertA1) Link to video
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Again, as was said before, you need to look at the best human WRs here and beat them: http://www.vgr-fr.com/TrackMania-DS-jeu-j756.html Here's a comparison between your times in Stadium A1-A4 and the human world records there:
Comparison between TAS and WRs
      TAS:    WR:
A1    16.00   15.65
A2    17.81   18.02
A3    18.14   17.97
A4    19.24   18.37
You're only faster in one of them, A2. Props for that, but a perfect TAS should beat them all.
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