I haven't watched the WIPs. Yet. But I remember the enthusiasm for the previous CS glitch video was very low, and I didn't find it that interesting to watch either. I would go with submitting the regular run only.
EDIT: I watched both now. The non-cs run is definately a lot more entertaining.
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Truncated wrote
I watched both now. The non-cs run is definately a lot more entertaining
Thanks, I sped up those fights considerably (250 frames each on average)
But I remember the enthusiasm for the previous CS glitch video was very low
Doesnt seem that either are going to stir up much attention. Phil and Genisto's didn't either.
Phil Wrote:
We have tested a lot of things but not enough apparently
Well you certainly were very thorough. Just to improve Sandman by one notch reflects at least 5 hrs of work including spreadsheets of frame counts and damage charts and many many calculations. I spent at least that much time on Bull 2 only to come up empty handed.
Um... First off... Shouldn't the three punch-out topics be merged?
http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=537http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1339http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1170
Secondly, this is my real question, have either of you guys seen or heard about this before? (Thanks to Adon who told me about it):
In an interview (found here: http://us.wii.com/iwata_asks/punchout/vol1_page4.jsp) one of the designers tell about an Easter egg when fighting Bald Bull.
When Bald Bull is doing his super-attack, the camera man in the bottom right corner of the ring side makes a flash with his camera when you should hit the punch button to make Bald Bull get knocked out.
If you want to check it out, the small flash appears between 1:49 and 1:50 into this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_iVHVGqMIU
According to the designer it was a hidden thing for 22 years. :)
Just thought that I should share it with you guys.
Wonder how many secrets like this there are in old games out there? Maybe we should start a topic about that separately?
Cheers!
Um... First off... Shouldn't the three punch-out topics be merged?
http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=537http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1339http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1170
Secondly, this is my real question, have either of you guys seen or heard about this before? (Thanks to Adon who told me about it):
In an interview (found here: http://us.wii.com/iwata_asks/punchout/vol1_page4.jsp) one of the designers tell about an Easter egg when fighting Bald Bull.
When Bald Bull is doing his super-attack, the camera man in the bottom right corner of the ring side makes a flash with his camera when you should hit the punch button to make Bald Bull get knocked out.
If you want to check it out, the small flash appears between 1:49 and 1:50 into this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_iVHVGqMIU
According to the designer it was a hidden thing for 22 years. :)
Just thought that I should share it with you guys.
Wonder how many secrets like this there are in old games out there? Maybe we should start a topic about that separately?
Cheers!
That;s the kind of thing I always think are just coincidences. I notice things like that from time to time (not that specifically), but that's how I do well with some games. Using the background of the game has always been a big key in my speedrunning ;) That and the music... 8)
Super Mario Bros. console speedrunner
- Andrew Gardikis
BAMP.
A little "freerun TAS" if you will. More to come when I can. I'm considering doing a High Score TAS, but I might just do individual fights at random. I'm also going to look into beating them faster than what the current times are.
If Glass Joe can refill when he hits you, couldn't you go to the next round with more health to let him hit you, so that you could him more times? (and therefore obtaining more points)
Other than that, looks good :)
Of course, and I could also KO him 3 more times before winning the fight (just that 3 KOs within the same round is a TKO), but I decided to do a mix of things.
adelikat asked me to create a new piece of lua to help out in timing the hits perfectly in realtime. Could use some tweaking, as I only put in a minimal amount of testing, and this is mostly for adelikat, but I figure why the heck wouldn't I dump the script on the public?
The basic idea is to help one time hits perfectly for a certain competitor. Something about how after he blocks your punch, you can punch an exact number of frames after that block to get a star or something. There's a false positive when you get hit, which I haven't bothered to put in a check for.
Seeing as I don't have access to the FCEUX SVN for some odd reason, I'm pasting the code here.
Download PunchOutTraining_Tiger.lua
Language: lua
-- For Mike Tyson's Punch Out!! when fighting Tiger
-- Intended to help time hits in real time.
--FatRatKnight
local AutoCheat= true
local CLOCK= 0x0306 --Game clock
local HEART= 0x0324 --Mac's low digit for his heart counter.
local EHP= 0x0398 -- Enemy HP address
local HRT= 0x0325 -- Mac's Heart's been dropped indicator
local TMR= 75 -- Frames in advance for your punches.
local UPP= 19 -- Frames prior to the golden zone to display.
local BND= -8 -- KEEP NEGATIVE!! Frames after the golden zone.
local threshold= 22-- How many frames before the target timing does it allow?
local deadzone= 18 -- Frames to ignore a block following a failed punch.
local DISPx= 180
local DISPy= 180
local DISPx2= DISPx+11 -- Right side of box. Adjust that plus to your need
local Dsp= {line= true, bar= true, stealth= 0, stick= 30}
local deviation= 0
local accuracy= 0
local perfect= 0
local earlies= 0
local lates= 0
local accearly= 0
local acclate= 0
local LastHit
local HitTiming
local DEBUG_Status= "nil"
local keys= input.get()
local lastkeys= keys
--*****************************************************************************
function UpdateKeys() lastkeys= keys; keys= input.get() end
function Press(btn) return (keys[btn] and not lastkeys[btn]) end
function NULLFn() end
--*****************************************************************************
--*****************************************************************************
local function Is_Blocked() return (memory.readbyte(HRT) == 0x80) end
--*****************************************************************************
--*****************************************************************************
local function AB1() local p= joypad.get(1); return (p.A or p.B) end
--*****************************************************************************
local Pad, LastPad= {}, {}
--*****************************************************************************
local function AB2()
--*****************************************************************************
LastPad= Pad
Pad= joypad.get(1)
return ( (Pad.A and LastPad.A) or (Pad.B and LastPad.B) )
end
local timer= 0
--*****************************************************************************
local function IdleStuffs()
--*****************************************************************************
timer= timer-1
if timer <=0 then
LastHit= nil
emu.registerafter(NULLFn)
end
end
local MainLoop -- There exists a MainLoop. Needed for a few function.
local DZ
--*****************************************************************************
local function ForcedWait()
--*****************************************************************************
DEBUG_Status= "Deadzone, ignoring you!!"
DZ= DZ-1
if DZ <= 0 then emu.registerbefore(MainLoop) end
end
--*****************************************************************************
local function Reset()
--*****************************************************************************
DEBUG_Status= "Reset"
HitTiming= nil
end
--*****************************************************************************
local function ScanHit()
--*****************************************************************************
DEBUG_Status= "Scanned!"
timer= Dsp.stick
emu.registerafter(IdleStuffs)
LastHit= HitTiming
deviation= deviation + HitTiming
if HitTiming < 0 then
accuracy= accuracy - HitTiming
lates= lates+1
acclate= acclate - HitTiming
elseif HitTiming > 0 then
accuracy= accuracy + HitTiming
earlies= earlies+1
accearly= accearly + HitTiming
else
perfect= perfect+1
end
end
--*****************************************************************************
local function WaitForIt()
--*****************************************************************************
DEBUG_Status= "Timing..."
HitTiming= HitTiming-1
if HitTiming < BND then Reset(); emu.registerbefore(MainLoop)
else
if AB2() and HitTiming < threshold then
ScanHit()
DZ= deadzone
emu.registerbefore(ForcedWait)
end
end
end
--*****************************************************************************
local function NewHit()
--*****************************************************************************
DEBUG_Status= "BLOCKED"
HitTiming= TMR
emu.registerbefore(WaitForIt)
end
--*****************************************************************************
function MainLoop()
--*****************************************************************************
DEBUG_Status= "Main"
if Is_Blocked() then NewHit() end
end
emu.registerbefore(MainLoop)
--*****************************************************************************
function ResetStats()
--*****************************************************************************
deviation= 0
accuracy= 0
perfect= 0
earlies= 0
lates= 0
accearly= 0
acclate= 0
end
local SparklyJoy= 0
local SparkyColors={"red","white","green","blue"}
--*****************************************************************************
local function DisplayStuffs()
--*****************************************************************************
--I'm handling options just for you!!
UpdateKeys()
if Press("insert") then Dsp.line= not Dsp.line end
if Press("delete") then Dsp.bar= not Dsp.bar end
if Press("home") then Dsp.stealth= Dsp.stealth+1 end
if Press("end") then Dsp.stealth= math.max(Dsp.stealth-1,0) end
if Press("pageup") then Dsp.stick= Dsp.stick+1 end
if Press("pagedown") then Dsp.stick= math.max(Dsp.stick-1,0) end
if Press("numpad5") then ResetStats() end
if Press("numpad0") then AutoCheat= not AutoCheat end
if keys.leftclick and lastkeys.leftclick then
DISPx= DISPx + keys.xmouse - lastkeys.xmouse
DISPx2= DISPx2 + keys.xmouse - lastkeys.xmouse
DISPy= DISPy + keys.ymouse - lastkeys.ymouse
end
-- Okay, enough options handling. On we go!
if Dsp.bar then
for i= BND, UPP do
if i <= 0 or i > Dsp.stealth or LastHit then
local Y = DISPy - i*4
if i < 0 then Y= Y+2
elseif i > 0 then Y= Y-2 end
local color= "black"
if i == LastHit then color= "red"
elseif i == HitTiming then color= "green" end
gui.box(DISPx, Y, DISPx2, Y+2, 0, color)
end
end
if LastHit == 0 then --Sparkly joy!
SparklyJoy= (SparklyJoy%3)+1
gui.drawbox(DISPx-2, DISPy-2, DISPx2+2, DISPy+4, 0, SparkyColors[SparklyJoy])
gui.drawbox(DISPx, DISPy, DISPx2, DISPy+2, 0, SparkyColors[SparklyJoy+1])
else
SparklyJoy= 0
gui.drawbox(DISPx-2, DISPy-2, DISPx2+2, DISPy+4, 0, "green")
end
end
if Dsp.line then
local ThisX= 240
local ThisY= 100
gui.box(ThisX-1,ThisY,ThisX+1,ThisY+2+TMR-BND, "black", "white")
gui.pixel(ThisX,ThisY+1+TMR,"white")
if HitTiming then gui.pixel(ThisX,ThisY+1+TMR-HitTiming,"green") end
end
if LastHit then
if LastHit < 0 then
gui.text(128,80,"Late " .. -LastHit)
elseif LastHit > 0 then
gui.text(128,80,"Early " .. LastHit)
else
gui.drawbox(127,79,142,88,"green")
gui.text(128,80,"OK")
end
end
gui.text( 1,110,"Timing error: " .. accuracy)
gui.text( 1,120,"Deviation: " .. deviation)
gui.text( 1,140,"Perfect hits: " .. perfect)
gui.text( 1,160,"Early: " .. earlies .. " : " .. accearly)
gui.text( 1,170,"Late: " .. lates .. " : " .. acclate)
local Tot=(perfect + earlies + lates)
if Tot ~= 0 then
local temp= perfect / Tot
temp= math.floor(temp*1000)/10
gui.text( 1,185,"Accuracy: " .. temp .. "%")
temp= deviation / Tot
temp= math.floor(temp*100)/100
gui.text(1,195,"Dev.Rate: " .. temp)
else
gui.text( 1,185,"Accuracy: --.-%")
gui.text(1,195,"Dev.Rate: -.--")
end
gui.text(145, 14,memory.readbyte(EHP))
gui.text( 1, 1,DEBUG_Status)
gui.text(230, 1,Dsp.stick)
if AutoCheat then gui.text(88,1,"Eternal Cheat Acitve!") end
end
gui.register(DisplayStuffs)
--*****************************************************************************
function CheatEternalBattle()
--*****************************************************************************
memory.writebyte(CLOCK, 0)
memory.writebyte(EHP, 96)
memory.writebyte(HEART, 7)
end
while true do
if AutoCheat then CheatEternalBattle() end
emu.frameadvance()
end
EDIT: Added a deadzone, and fixed a mixup of early/late stuffs.
EDIT2: Added a ResetStats button, at numpad5. It resets stats. Joy.
EDIT3: Now has cheats and shows deviation!
Apparently, I was asked to go ahead and mess with more lua stuff. So here's more. It seems to work well, I think, but maybe the lower BND should be more negative. Maybe the cheat function needs tweaking. Hrm...
Still, much of the same old code is used. Yay.
Download PunchOutTraining_Hippo.lua
Language: lua
-- For Mike Tyson's Punch Out!! when fighting King Hippo
-- Intended to help time hits in real time.
--FatRatKnight
local AutoCheat= true
local CLOCK= 0x0306 -- Game clock
local HEART= 0x0324 -- Mac's low digit for his heart counter.
local ETMR= 0x0039 -- Enemy timer address
local EHP= 0x0398 -- Enemy HP address
local HRT= 0x0325 -- Mac's Heart's been dropped indicator
local RN= 0x0018 -- Some sort of random number stuff?
local ACT= 0x0090 -- Something to do with Hippo's thoughts.
local TMR=120 -- For the silly line.
local UPP= 25 -- Frames prior to the golden zone to display.
local BND= -8 -- KEEP NEGATIVE!! Frames after the golden zone.
local OFFSET= 13 -- Timing frames after Hippo decides his punch.
local DISPx= 180
local DISPy= 180
local DISPx2= DISPx+11 -- Right side of box. Adjust that plus to your need
local Dsp= {line= true, bar= true, stealth= 0, stick= 45}
local deviation= 0
local accuracy= 0
local perfect= 0
local earlies= 0
local lates= 0
local accearly= 0
local acclate= 0
local LastHit
local HitTiming
local DEBUG_Status= "nil"
local keys= input.get()
local lastkeys= keys
--*****************************************************************************
function UpdateKeys() lastkeys= keys; keys= input.get() end
function Press(btn) return (keys[btn] and not lastkeys[btn]) end
function NULLFn() end
--*****************************************************************************
--*****************************************************************************
local function ForceRNToBehave(addr)
--*****************************************************************************
if memory.readbyte(addr) ~= 9 then
memory.writebyte(addr,9)
end
end
if AutoCheat then
memory.registerwrite(RN,ForceRNToBehave)
end
local Pad, LastPad= {}, {}
--*****************************************************************************
local function AB()
--*****************************************************************************
LastPad= Pad
Pad= joypad.get(1)
return ( (Pad.A and LastPad.A) or (Pad.B and LastPad.B) )
end
local timer= 0
--*****************************************************************************
local function IdleStuffs()
--*****************************************************************************
timer= timer-1
if timer <=0 then
LastHit= nil
emu.registerafter(NULLFn)
end
memory.writebyte(RN, 9)
end
local MainLoop -- There exists a MainLoop. Needed for a few function.
--*****************************************************************************
local function ForgetIt()
--*****************************************************************************
DEBUG_Status= "... Yeesh..."
HitTiming= nil
emu.registerbefore(MainLoop)
end
--*****************************************************************************
local function ScanHit()
--*****************************************************************************
DEBUG_Status= "Scanned!"
timer= Dsp.stick
emu.registerafter(IdleStuffs)
LastHit= HitTiming
deviation= deviation + HitTiming
if HitTiming < 0 then
accuracy= accuracy - HitTiming
lates= lates+1
acclate= acclate - HitTiming
elseif HitTiming > 0 then
accuracy= accuracy + HitTiming
earlies= earlies+1
accearly= accearly + HitTiming
else
perfect= perfect+1
end
HitTiming= nil
emu.registerbefore(MainLoop)
end
--*****************************************************************************
local function PunchLoop()
--*****************************************************************************
DEBUG_Status= "He's punching!"
HitTiming= HitTiming-1
if HitTiming < BND then ForgetIt()
elseif AB() then
ScanHit()
end
end
--*****************************************************************************
local function NewPunch()
--*****************************************************************************
DEBUG_Status= "Oh, snap!"
emu.registerbefore(PunchLoop)
HitTiming= OFFSET
end
--*****************************************************************************
local function WatchLoop()
--*****************************************************************************
DEBUG_Status= "He's waiting..."
local HippoStatus= memory.readbyte(ACT)
if (HippoStatus == 23) or (HippoStatus == 24) then
NewPunch()
elseif HippoStatus ~= 1 then
HitTiming= nil
emu.registerbefore(MainLoop)
else
HitTiming= OFFSET+memory.readbyte(ETMR)
end
end
--*****************************************************************************
local function NewWatch()
--*****************************************************************************
DEBUG_Status= "Oh, shiny!"
HitTiming= OFFSET+memory.readbyte(ETMR)
emu.registerbefore(WatchLoop)
end
--*****************************************************************************
function MainLoop()
--*****************************************************************************
DEBUG_Status= "Sleeping"
local HippoStatus= memory.readbyte(ACT)
if HippoStatus == 1 then
NewWatch()
end
end
emu.registerbefore(MainLoop)
--*****************************************************************************
function ResetStats()
--*****************************************************************************
deviation= 0
accuracy= 0
perfect= 0
earlies= 0
lates= 0
accearly= 0
acclate= 0
end
local SparklyJoy= 0
local SparkyColors={"red","white","green","blue"}
--*****************************************************************************
local function DisplayStuffs()
--*****************************************************************************
--I'm handling options just for you!!
UpdateKeys()
if Press("insert") then Dsp.line= not Dsp.line end
if Press("delete") then Dsp.bar= not Dsp.bar end
if Press("home") then Dsp.stealth= Dsp.stealth+1 end
if Press("end") then Dsp.stealth= math.max(Dsp.stealth-1,0) end
if Press("pageup") then Dsp.stick= Dsp.stick+1 end
if Press("pagedown") then Dsp.stick= math.max(Dsp.stick-1,0) end
if Press("numpad5") then ResetStats() end
if keys.leftclick and lastkeys.leftclick then
DISPx= DISPx + keys.xmouse - lastkeys.xmouse
DISPx2= DISPx2 + keys.xmouse - lastkeys.xmouse
DISPy= DISPy + keys.ymouse - lastkeys.ymouse
end
if Press("numpad0") then
AutoCheat= not AutoCheat
if AutoCheat then
memory.registerwrite(RN,ForceRNToBehave)
else
memory.registerwrite(RN,nil)
end
end
-- Okay, enough options handling. On we go!
if Dsp.bar then
for i= BND, UPP do
if i <= 0 or i > Dsp.stealth or LastHit then
local Y = DISPy - i*4
if i < 0 then Y= Y+2
elseif i > 0 then Y= Y-2 end
local color= "black"
if i == LastHit then color= "red"
elseif i == HitTiming then color= "green" end
gui.box(DISPx, Y, DISPx2, Y+2, 0, color)
end
end
if LastHit == 0 then --Sparkly joy!
SparklyJoy= (SparklyJoy%3)+1
gui.drawbox(DISPx-2, DISPy-2, DISPx2+2, DISPy+4, 0, SparkyColors[SparklyJoy])
gui.drawbox(DISPx, DISPy, DISPx2, DISPy+2, 0, SparkyColors[SparklyJoy+1])
else
SparklyJoy= 0
gui.drawbox(DISPx-2, DISPy-2, DISPx2+2, DISPy+4, 0, "green")
end
end
if Dsp.line then
local ThisX= 240
local ThisY= 60
gui.box(ThisX-1,ThisY,ThisX+1,ThisY+2+TMR-BND, "black", "white")
gui.pixel(ThisX,ThisY+1+TMR,"white")
if HitTiming then gui.pixel(ThisX,ThisY+1+TMR-HitTiming,"green") end
end
if LastHit then
if LastHit < 0 then
gui.text(128,80,"Late " .. -LastHit)
elseif LastHit > 0 then
gui.text(128,80,"Early " .. LastHit)
else
gui.drawbox(127,79,142,88,"green")
gui.text(128,80,"OK")
end
end
gui.text( 1,110,"Timing error: " .. accuracy)
gui.text( 1,120,"Deviation: " .. deviation)
gui.text( 1,140,"Perfect hits: " .. perfect)
gui.text( 1,160,"Early: " .. earlies .. " : " .. accearly)
gui.text( 1,170,"Late: " .. lates .. " : " .. acclate)
local Tot=(perfect + earlies + lates)
if Tot ~= 0 then
local temp= perfect / Tot
temp= math.floor(temp*1000)/10
gui.text( 1,185,"Accuracy: " .. temp .. "%")
temp= deviation / Tot
temp= math.floor(temp*100)/100
gui.text(1,195,"Dev.Rate: " .. temp)
else
gui.text( 1,185,"Accuracy: --.-%")
gui.text(1,195,"Dev.Rate: -.--")
end
gui.text(145, 14,memory.readbyte(EHP))
gui.text( 1, 1,DEBUG_Status)
gui.text(230, 1,Dsp.stick)
gui.text( 1, 50,"Punches: " .. Tot)
if AutoCheat then gui.text(88,1,"Eternal Cheat Acitve!") end
end
gui.register(DisplayStuffs)
--*****************************************************************************
function CheatEternalBattle()
--*****************************************************************************
memory.writebyte(CLOCK, 0)
memory.writebyte(EHP, 96)
-- memory.writebyte(HEART, 7)
end
while true do
if AutoCheat then CheatEternalBattle() end
emu.frameadvance()
end
Edit: Now forces the memory to stay put sub-frame.
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Actually, technically it isn't a new mechanic. It was a known mechanic that is exploited on Super Macho Man, that has been discovered to work on Honda II.
In hindsight, I'm surprised we never at least stumbled upon it by accident many years ago, let alone at least try it.
I'm most surprised that it is such a large improvement as a result. Such a significant improvement hasn't happened in almost 8 years in this game :o Also, you can expect I'll have a submission in the upcoming weeks ^_^
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When uppercutting both Honda 2, and Super Macho Man they will raise their guard a few frames before the punch lands. If they successfully do this, the punch will do less damage. Therefore, the trick is to find ways to prevent them from doing this, and thus do max damage with as many uppercuts as possible.
With macho, it is pretty easy to always do this by tapping up at the right time during the punch, it will cause him to raise his guard in response to you pressing up, and dropping it in response to you letting go. With the right timing, you can do this so that he doesn't have time to react to the actual uppercut in time.
The discovery with Honda 2 is that there is actually a timing by which we can do this exact maneuver. Prior to this, the only known way to do max damage was to hit him during his eyebrow shake (which was only a few opportunities during a TAS/Speedrun attempt).
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DJ Incendration wrote:
feitclub wrote:
I understood the Bison/Tyson problem, but I wish they hadn't swapped Vega as well.
What's wrong with Bison?
Did-- Did you just respond to a post from 2004?
Did you also not know about the story behind Bison/Tyson/Vega?
From Japan to America:
M.Bison is Vega, Vega is Balrog and Balrog is M.Bison
WebNations/Sabih wrote:
+fsvgm777 never censoring anything.
Disables Comments and Ratings for the YouTube account.Something better for yourself and also others.
We all got used to the last boss beeing M. Bison, but the Boxer is the original M. Bison which should sound like Mike Tyson as the character was inspired in him.
Hey everyone,
I noticed the memory map for Mike Tyson's Punch Out (http://tasvideos.org/GameResources/NES/MikeTysonsPunchout/RamMap.html) is missing the ram locations for the number star punches, heart block things, and each fighter's health.
I needed these for an ai project I'm working on, so here they are for anyone looking for them :)
0x0342 = Star Punches
0x0323 = Hearts (10's place)
0x0324 = Hearts (1's place)
0x0391 - 0x0393 = Your Health (each address shares the same value)
0x0398 - 0x039A = Opponent's Health (each address shares the same value)
