Topic by AKheon

Posted: 3/20/2012 3:51 PM

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AKheon

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A few words about my experiment with BizHawk. I wanted to try to make a multi-platform multi-TAS for the GG and SMS versions of Aerial Assault. So while testing things, I made separate movie files of me casually playing through the two games, you know, for rough timing comparison later on, but now as I try to replay the movie files, they both desync. With GG it's at the third level, with SMS it desyncs at first level. I'm not sure what kind of problem this is... it could be that (at least on SMS) enemies spawned differently during replay? (this was on BizHawk 1.0) I proceeded anyway to see how it would work out to TAS on two emulators at once (with background input on). So I set the same movie file to record on both emulators and started (perhaps an unnecessary step? I mean, I could've used two separate movie files too, both end up with identical input in any case, etc... but I digress). Generally things went well, but I noticed that if I held frame advance down to go to normal speed momentarily, or just unpaused to let game run in real time for a moment, the two emulators' frame counts could become different from each other, mostly by 1 frame but sometimes more. I guess that's something noteworthy to report, and a likely hindrance for multi-TASing... (this was on BizHawk 1.2)

Posted: 3/20/2012 4:13 PM

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This looks pretty much common for any emulator. You force them to sync perfectly by advancing, leaving both to run usually gives timing desync.

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Posted: 3/21/2012 12:59 PM

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hegyak

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I can't load Micro Machines. Using (U) ROM. I get the error:

Exception during loadgame: System.Exception: couldnt identify NES rom at BizHawk.Emulation.Consoles.Nintendo.NES.Init(GameInfo gameInfo, Byte[] rom) at BizHawk.Emulation.Consoles.Nintendo.NES..ctor(GameInfo game, Byte[] rom) at BizHawk.MultiClient.MainForm.LoadRom(String path)

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Posted: 3/21/2012 5:15 PM

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zeromus

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then youre probably using a bad rom. i still havent had a chance to do the work to make the rom loader more lenient for all sorts of bad roms. itll load all those bad roms one day.

Posted: 3/21/2012 6:01 PM

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feos wrote:

This looks pretty much common for any emulator. You force them to sync perfectly by advancing, leaving both to run usually gives timing desync.

What he said. You should not let it run full speed ever on any emulator. Also, recording to the same movie is a really really bad idea on any emulator. If nothing else, you want a copy of each to verify they are indeed the same, to catch possible issues. And your first experiment with the emulator is multi-game AND multi-platform TASing? Man, you are pushing us hard right off the bat! I'm glad to hear the background input is working out well though, I haven't tested it much. As for the desyncs, I don't know, but those certainly concern me. Should be sync stable on the SMS core. We have two published SMS movies using bizhawk and my tests showed it was fine. However, I don't think anyone has specifically done game gear, so maybe there is some issues with the savestates for that platform? Let me know if you experience any more desyncs, and ideally provide the movie and some savestates from the TAS, and any information you may have. Desync issues are really hard to catch given they are generally rare and hard to reproduce.

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Posted: 3/21/2012 7:21 PM

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hegyak

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zeromus, I am pretty sure I am using the good ROM file. On a positive note: M.U.L.E.'s audio (voice and doors) works fine.

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Posted: 3/22/2012 6:20 AM

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zeromus

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hegyak, it seems youre using the aladdin version. There are two versions of the game which can be called good. The aladdin version may have a mistake in bootgod's cart database which is tripping up the emulator. In r2011 i just checked in a hack to load this game, which will be removed when the DB gets straightened out at some unknown point in the future.

Posted: 3/23/2012 8:00 PM

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I have some trouble when I want to play a movie. The file is not appearing on the movie play dialog when I open it. Also the frame counter, lag counter and input ... aren't shown on the screen.

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Posted: 3/24/2012 3:01 AM

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ventuz

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TASeditor wrote:

Also the frame counter, lag counter and input ... aren't shown on the screen.

I couldn't see them either until I toggle "Use GDI+ Display Method" off under Config -> GUI.

Posted: 3/24/2012 3:05 AM

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zeromus

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right now, the code that composites the screen layers and draws the HDU only works in the direct3d display method. bizhawk will switch to the gdi+ display method when it has trouble starting up the direct3d display method for some reason. yeah, this is crappy, sorry.

Posted: 3/24/2012 6:15 PM

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I installed the .net framework but it still won't load. I can't get it to work. I need some help. What do I do?

Posted: 3/25/2012 1:51 AM

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PikachuMan wrote:

I installed the .net framework but it still won't load. I can't get it to work. I need some help. What do I do?

You have not provided any useful information that would allow someone to help you. 1. What are you trying to do? 2. What happens when you try to do it? Are you getting an error message? If so, what is the error message? 3. What version of Windows are you running? You say "it still won't load" which implies that you may have asked for help previously, but there's nothing else from you in this thread. Bizhawk will not work on Windows 98.

Posted: 3/25/2012 1:52 AM

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YOu need more than the .net frame work (direct x sdk, and c++ runtime for instance). Run the dependency installer that came with bizhawk, that's all that is needed.

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Posted: 3/26/2012 4:59 PM

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MarbleousDave

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Thanks, I got it to run, but albeit slow. My computer may not meet the system requirements. I'll probably get a new computer in the future.

Posted: 3/31/2012 8:50 PM

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Do hello with all here is with the emulator I have small problems here what occurs when I record a video and that I it revisionne after it do at all what I film for example on plays of combat style street fighter when I make a perfect during the recording Ben when I view I am caught damage and all is to shift on the levels of the blow with final C me which am beaten by perfect is a bug of the emulator? if somebody could help me please

Posted: 3/31/2012 11:42 PM

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Street Fighter? Which street fighter can BizHawk emulate?

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Posted: 3/31/2012 11:44 PM

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adelikat wrote:

Street Fighter? Which street fighter can BizHawk emulate?

- Street Fighter 2010 on NES - Street Fighter II: Champion Edition on PCE or SMS These are my guesses.

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Posted: 3/31/2012 11:49 PM

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Well, if you are using the PC Engine version, make sure you are using BizHawk 1.0.3! We fixed a desync bug in savestates after the 1.0.1a release

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Posted: 4/1/2012 7:34 AM

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ah ok not I have version 1.0.1 I have just noticed thank you for information I makes change version immediately

Posted: 4/7/2012 3:30 PM

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Bizhawk 1.03 doesn't work for me... I have the prereqs installed and all. I try to run it and it crashes before it starts. It's weird cos I can run 1.01 without any problem. I don't know if it helps, but I'm using windows 7, and there are no error messages, just windows saying that Bizhawk.MultiClient has stopped working. :/ I have another issue. In bizhawk 1.01 in the game Vigilante for the SMS, it's impossible do jump and move forward at the same time... To jump you have to press both 1 and 2 buttons, which works fine, but when you jump you can't move the character... This makes the game impossible to finish. In Kega fusion or Gens the controls work fine...

Posted: 4/19/2012 8:26 AM

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problem with Bizhawk 1.03 it will not start I have installed bizhawk_prereqs.exe and the BizHawk.MultiClient.exe still will not start I have windows 7 ultimate sp1 32bit heres the error message I get Problem signature: Problem Event Name: CLR20r3 Problem Signature 01: bizhawk.multiclient.exe Problem Signature 02: 1.0.1.2130 Problem Signature 03: 4f765588 Problem Signature 04: BizHawk.MultiClient Problem Signature 05: 1.0.1.2130 Problem Signature 06: 4f765588 Problem Signature 07: 4e3 Problem Signature 08: 54 Problem Signature 09: System.IO.FileNotFoundException OS Version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.1 Locale ID: 1033 Additional Information 1: 0a9e Additional Information 2: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789 Additional Information 3: 0a9e Additional Information 4: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789 is there a fix for this??

Posted: 4/19/2012 2:02 PM

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tbutler98 wrote:

problem with Bizhawk 1.03 it will not start I have installed bizhawk_prereqs.exe and the BizHawk.MultiClient.exe still will not start I have windows 7 ultimate sp1 32bit heres the error message I get Problem signature: Problem Event Name: CLR20r3 Problem Signature 01: bizhawk.multiclient.exe Problem Signature 02: 1.0.1.2130 Problem Signature 03: 4f765588 Problem Signature 04: BizHawk.MultiClient Problem Signature 05: 1.0.1.2130 Problem Signature 06: 4f765588 Problem Signature 07: 4e3 Problem Signature 08: 54 Problem Signature 09: System.IO.FileNotFoundException OS Version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.1 Locale ID: 1033 Additional Information 1: 0a9e Additional Information 2: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789 Additional Information 3: 0a9e Additional Information 4: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789 is there a fix for this??

adelikat wrote:

YOu need more than the .net frame work (direct x sdk, and c++ runtime for instance). Run the dependency installer that came with bizhawk, that's all that is needed.

Just read this ^^^^^.

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Posted: 4/19/2012 2:08 PM

Post subject: How to manually install BizHawk prereqs

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For anyone having trouble starting Bizhawk: I suspect the pre_req installer has some issues as someone else had a problem in which installing directx sdk fixed it. (Even though that is one of the things the installer was supposed to install). What you need is: DirectX end user (dxwsetup.exe) .NET 4.0 (dotNetFx40_Full_setup.exe) C++ Runtime (vcredist_x64.exe) Please install these one at a time, in this order. Until BizHawk works. I ask too that you post which one of these fixed your problem (and thus was not installed by the prereq installer).

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Posted: 4/21/2012 10:17 AM

Post subject: Re: How to manually install BizHawk prereqs

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adelikat wrote:

For anyone having trouble starting Bizhawk: I suspect the pre_req installer has some issues as someone else had a problem in which installing directx sdk fixed it. (Even though that is one of the things the installer was supposed to install). What you need is: DirectX end user (dxwsetup.exe) .NET 4.0 (dotNetFx40_Full_setup.exe) C++ Runtime (vcredist_x64.exe) Please install these one at a time, in this order. Until BizHawk works. I ask too that you post which one of these fixed your problem (and thus was not installed by the prereq installer).

The dotNetFx40_Full_setup.exe Worked thank you I guess the windows update version didn't work now BizHawk.MultiClient.exe does work now thanks to dotNetFx40_Full_setup.exe

Posted: 4/21/2012 4:33 PM

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but dotNetFx40_Full_setup.exe is the exact file that the prereqs installer uses :( also dont link to the x64 runtime, bizhawk uses the 32bit runtimes