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Zowayix wrote:
For example, I recall Masterjun mentioning that they tried doing SMW-SMB1 in 2014, but there was some memory(?) limitation on how much code could be pumped in. How was that overcome?
There was a limitation on how much code could be transferred at once. We overcame that by having an improved bot (from true) capable of higher transfer speeds, and using a better transmission algorithm. Also, with this new system, only a single multitap was used instead of two.
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In AGDQ-related news, albeit not TASBot-related news, the SMB3 runner managed to pull off the wrong-warp glitch in the spare minutes he had after finishing the warpless run. First time I've seen that done in realtime, and he got it on his first try.
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Nach wrote:
Also, with this new system, only a single multitap was used instead of two.
Sort of - we did not use the I/O select pin and did not use any MultiTap modes (because the SGB can't support them correctly for our purposes and it isn't something that can be easily changed on the fly). Instead, we use the D0 and D1 pins to give us two controllers per port, i.e. 1-1 = P1D0, 1-2 = P1D1, 2-1 = P2D0, 2-2 = P2D1.
Derakon wrote:
In AGDQ-related news, albeit not TASBot-related news, the SMB3 runner managed to pull off the wrong-warp glitch in the spare minutes he had after finishing the warpless run. First time I've seen that done in realtime, and he got it on his first try.
I made it into the stream room for the first time (other than for the TASBot block :) a little ways into the SMB3 run and that blew my mind. Then Kaizo Mario blew it a little bit more. Good stuff.
Why? Because "pokemon plays twitch" (in quotes) appears only 34,500 in Google?
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Summary:
These TASs were made for impressing AGDQ2015, not TASVideos. They focused on quick creation for playing back on an SNES with TASBot, not for quick completion and minimization. While there may be some demand for publication here of these TASs, TASVideos does not publish subpar TASs.
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LOL.
I think he meant the graphical glitches that were occurring during the game.
The reason for this is most likely the fact that we are not able to use interrupts so that we have to use manual timing for the writes to VRAM and OAM (aka. updating the screen) which has to be done during V-Blank.
V-Blank is the time where the tracer of the TV is not tracing to the screen, which is once the scanline is under the screen that is being displayed. Since the height of the displayed screen is 224, V-Blank starts at scanline 225 and ends after scanline 261 (where it then is at 0 again, starting to trace the new frame onto the TV).
The timing for V-Blank is usually automated by NMI, the interrupt that starts just after the start of V-Blank. The address to which the interrupt will jump is written in ROM, which can't be changed and there is no other way to hijack the NMI. This all means we have to disable NMI completely and use manual timing for the V-Blank which can easily lead to some graphical glitches.
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I am curious if a TAS of super mario brothers in super mario world would be possible, and would it be publishable?
Anyway, congratulations on the excellent show!
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OmegaPaladin wrote:
I am curious if a TAS of super mario brothers in super mario world would be possible, and would it be publishable?
Anyway, congratulations on the excellent show!
From what I heard from a discussion with Nach (I'll be paraphrasing here) it is difficult to get a TAS to sync due to things not being deterministic; you would have to have a lot of hanging around to ensure it would sync consistently, which isn't very optimal.
And even if that was incorrect info, there is still the copyright issue regarding the modified version of the SMB rom encoded in the movie file....
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GeminiSaint wrote:
Also, is there any technical explanation for the minor glitches in the SMB part?
During the second run, there was probably still some interference, but less of it, causing enough bits to be messed up to ruin the display, but not enough to make the entire thing crash.
OmegaPaladin wrote:
I am curious if a TAS of super mario brothers in super mario world would be possible, and would it be publishable?
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That's not the same question; I earlier asked if the specific TAS shown at AGDQ 2015 would be publishable, to which the answer was no. OmegaPaladin is asking if a (presumably more optimized) newly done TAS of SMW-SMB1 would be publishable.
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Zowayix wrote:
OmegaPaladin is asking if a (presumably more optimized) newly done TAS of SMW-SMB1 would be publishable.
Citation needed.
Even to your question, why do you need a newly done TAS of SMW-SMB1?
As for more optimized, Ilari managed to sync HappyLee's latest run on it. However if you want to see that run, it's been on the site for a long time now.
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The tracker is currently showing $22,812.18 out of $30,000 for a TASbot encore. dwangoAC and team are putting together some awesome new tricks for the twitch chat that will be well worth it!
We should hype this up with an announcement and any other publicity channels we can use.
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Summary:
These TASs were made for impressing AGDQ2015, not TASVideos. They focused on quick creation for playing back on an SNES with TASBot, not for quick completion and minimization. While there may be some demand for publication here of these TASs, TASVideos does not publish subpar TASs.
Isn't the whole point of the Demonstration category to allow these types of movies if they are deemed entertaining enough? There are multiple movies in this category that were sub-optimal at publication. It would be a shame to hide these movies from the public because of such a triviality.
By the way, about the Pokémon Red run, I thought you guys were able to use the EXT port of the SNES to connect to a network via TCP/IP when I initially saw the run. I don't know how feasible it would be to do it for real, but it might be a cool idea for a future year.
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SmashManiac wrote:
Isn't the whole point of the Demonstration category to allow these types of movies if they are deemed entertaining enough? There are multiple movies in this category that were sub-optimal at publication. It would be a shame to hide these movies from the public because of such a triviality.
My movie did get over a thousand downloads already...
I explained why I haven't submitted it. If there's massive demand to have it published, despite its flaws, I'll reconsider.
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IRC log:
<Anty-Lemon> TASBot has an account :o
<Anty-Lemon> Oh god
<Anty-Lemon> Guys are you looking at the front page
<scrimpy> what is happening
<Fog_TAS> OH SHIT
<Fog_TAS> ITS HAPPENING ON THE MAIN SITE
<scrimpy> man, dwango is gonna be in such deep shit with site management :P
<TheGreekBrit[L]> LOL
<FireFly> Awesome
<scrimpy> what hte
<andydick> Tompa cam
<Spikestuff_> Camera
<Fog_TAS> LOL
<Raiscan> so I think the site is being hammered?
<scrimpy> shit
<Spikestuff_> They have the camera
<mkdasher> Tompa cam lmao
<Spikestuff_> "Zoom in"
<scrimpy> at this rate tasbot really is gonna take over the world
<exileUT> tompa threw his blanket on the ground
<exileUT> like a boss
<Mothrayas> TASBot really likes zooming in on Tompa's crotch
<Anty-Lemon> I'm so glad I saw the red before the site went down >.>
<Spikestuff_> Or not
<DeHackEd> Cpu(s): 24.4%us, 2.1%sy, 0.1%ni, 68.5%id, 0.6%wa, 0.0%hi, 4.3%si, 0.0%st
<Spikestuff_> still running here.
<mkdasher> I was able to load it
<Spikestuff_> forums is running for me
<Anty-Lemon> Omg
<Anty-Lemon> It's flashing now
<TheGreekBrit[L]> front page is static Spikestuff_
<Spikestuff_> I wrote the forums TheGreekBrit[L]
<mauris> this is good but i guess it's just javascript :(
<Spikestuff_> 'cause everything is slow
<TheGreekBrit[L]> I'm telling you why the forum is up and the site isn't
<DeHackEd> ran out of apache threads...
<Anty-Lemon> "I, for one, welcome our TASBot overlords"
<Anty-Lemon> Yes
<Nach> DeHackEd: we can make more then
<DeHackEd> Nach: please, and quickly
<Spikestuff_> forums are going down slowly
<Fog_TAS> lolol
<Fog_TAS> how delayed is it?
<Spikestuff_> Dunno, too Australian Fog_TAS
<Nach> DeHackEd: Way more threads now
<Anty-Lemon> 56 users online, nice
<Anty-Lemon> What happened with 457 tho o_o
<DeHackEd> Nach: that was your bottleneck
<Nach> DeHackEd: Indeed
<Nach> So you guys should be able to access the site now
<deepy> it's lightning fast for me
<deepy> both nginx and tasvideos.org
<Tompa> that was interesting
<Mothrayas> hi Tompa!
<AnotherGamer> OK
<andydick> Tompa cam!
<AnotherGamer> So can someone tell me what's up with the part in the first bot segment where the chat is flooded with repetitive crap
<AnotherGamer> Was that intentional or some screwup
<deepy> the colour switching on the featured movie is really obnoxious
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I was told to come here and give feedback so I am. :)
I hope for next time exhibitions are done more traditional speedruns are shown off. I think some of the super-short runs would be good runs like King's Bounty would be nice to show off.
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Hi Toad King,
We should be showing off many more speedruns next time.
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