Topic by Andypro

Posted: 5/9/2007 5:26 PM

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Andypro

Joined: 5/24/2004
Posts: 262

comicalflop wrote:

Well yes and no. We're already at an uncertain stage in ambiguity, as to whether getting the lullaby and getting bombcu's from the well early is faster then the Spirit Temple, so we're taking advantage of our co-authoriness and splitting up, each taking the different route to time which one will be faster. Normally, here is the route and it doesn't show too much change in the child section, but we have to check and make sure which way to get bombchus is faster. Ordinarily our route wouldn't change until after Dodongo's, but can't hurt to check with two of us splitting and TASing at the same time.

Ah, thanks for that. Forking the TAS between you and Guano is a great idea. It will be interesting to see which leg is faster and by how much.

Posted: 5/9/2007 6:53 PM

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I'm 80-90% sure that Spirit Temple is faster. I posted the breakdown a page or two ago. Darn, it looks like I can't watch the WIPs with the current plugin configs. Do you guys get one Deku stick or two? We really only need one, as we can preserve the stick's attack power within each dungeon as well as use flame storage.

Posted: 5/10/2007 2:10 AM

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GuanoBowl

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can someone get an .avi out???

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Posted: 5/10/2007 5:52 AM

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VANDAL

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Joined: 4/24/2005
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comicalflop wrote:

VANDAL wrote:
Chances are, with comicalflop also working on this, there will be much more progress than before.
I bet if DK64MASTER were reading this, he'd raise an eyebrow or two.

Alright, I take it back. Chances are, with comicalflop also working on this, there will be much less progress than before. In fact, we'll most likely hear more about that unrecorded 'zip on up the ladder' back in the Deku Tree. How 'bout that, huh!? (I'm just joking with you my friend/acquaintance/whatever you can call what we know eachother by. Like I said before, best of luck to you and GuanoBowl!)

Posted: 5/10/2007 6:44 AM

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Acryte

Joined: 1/10/2006
Posts: 144
Location: Oregon

The guard speech takes forever, but the real factor besides that is waiting for day, learning the songs and also the damn cutscenes... the old TAS did spirit early in 8 mins, lets see how long it takes for well chus to be aquired. Oh, and you can save some time if you just grab magic after dodongos and then use the owl to warp to lake hylia for the gold scale + warp to jabu jabu (saves time when getting lullaby).

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Posted: 5/10/2007 7:09 PM

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captain_compost

Joined: 1/20/2007
Posts: 26
Location: Hamilton, ON.

In fact, we'll most likely hear more about that unrecorded 'zip on up the ladder' back in the Deku Tree.

What's this "zip on up the ladder" you speak of?

Posted: 5/10/2007 8:50 PM

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Dacicus

Editor, Player (67)

Joined: 6/22/2005
Posts: 1041

comicalflop once got Link to zip up the ladder in the room where you get the slingshot, but he hasn't been able to replicate it.

Current Projects: TAS: Wizards & Warriors III.

Posted: 5/11/2007 1:20 PM

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Malon

Joined: 5/11/2007
Posts: 9

Acryte wrote:

Oh, and you can save some time if you just grab magic after dodongos and then use the owl to warp to lake hylia for the gold scale + warp to jabu jabu (saves time when getting lullaby).

you cant warp to lake hylia by the owl

Posted: 5/11/2007 10:38 PM

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Acryte

Joined: 1/10/2006
Posts: 144
Location: Oregon

Damn its been a long time, its kakariko huh. Oh well.

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Posted: 5/12/2007 6:49 AM

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Spider-Waffle

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Are you redoing to include the roll? Make sure the spirit route is done good as I think everyone expects that route to be at a least a minute faster. I decent job on the well should give us the idea of how much slower it is.

"Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence."

Posted: 5/13/2007 2:06 PM

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Malon

Joined: 5/11/2007
Posts: 9

hehe Acryte thats ok! :) allow me to intreduse myself. I'm kate but just call me malon (my fav charecter in OoT teehee :) ) i play almost everyday (OoT) i'm a big fan of you guys You're the true OoT Masters! Hope its ok i stick around in this thread! regards

Posted: 5/13/2007 10:45 PM

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S@G

Joined: 9/7/2006
Posts: 81
Location: Luxemburg

A new secquence break in Ganons Tower has been found by kirby8943 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiPSrddAW10

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Posted: 5/14/2007 12:02 AM

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nitsuja

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S@G wrote:

A new secquence break in Ganons Tower has been found by kirby8943 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiPSrddAW10

That looks fake. The number of hearts even changes where the last part was edited in.

Posted: 5/14/2007 12:16 AM
(Edited: 5/14/2007 1:03 AM)

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Mitjitsu

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I've watched the video myself and examined in V-Dub via downloading the raw AVI from YouTube, there are several questionable things that happen in the video. 1. I tried this myself over a year ago and it didn't work after quite some trying. Today I used Game Shark to help with the levatating part and it didn't work 2. The person got knocked sideways, there is no direction towards going through the wall itself 3. The person has double heart fairy magic, an explosive should only cause the loss of 1/4 of heart which happens initally, but very suddenly a whole heart is lost after that 1/4 has been depleted, that shouldn't happen. 4. The camera suddenly switches to going behind Link this shouldn't happen when going through a wall it should natuarly stay behind Link 5. The room appears loaded, no textures should exist apart from the beamos. EDIT: To fuly confirm it the previous room he left should be in complete view, since that is the currently loaded room. We don't see that at all. EDIT_2: The author of the video has now fully admitted it.

Posted: 5/14/2007 12:26 AM

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S@G

Joined: 9/7/2006
Posts: 81
Location: Luxemburg

nitsuja wrote:

That looks fake. The number of hearts even changes where the last part was edited in.

AKA wrote:

I've watched the video myself and examined in V-Dub via downloading the raw AVI from YouTube, there are several questionable things that happen in the video. 1. I tried this myself over a year ago and it didn't work after quite some trying. Today I used Game Shark to help with the levatating part and it didn't work 2. The person get knocked sideways, there is no direction towards going through the wall itself 3. The person has double heart fairy magic, an explosive should only cause the loss of 1/4 of heart which happens initally, but very suddenly a whole heart is lost after that 1/4 has been depleted, that shouldn't happen. 4. The camera suddenly switches to going behind Link this shouldn't happen when going through a wall it should natuarly stay behind Link 5. The room appears loaded, no textures should exist apart from the beamos.

Holy shit, you're right. And I belived that Kirby has found a new Sequence Break...

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Posted: 5/14/2007 12:33 AM

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kirbymuncher

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Even if it wasn't fake, it's made very badly. You can simply climb onto the second pillar, or even hover from the first one to the third one without any bombs.

Posted: 5/14/2007 9:14 PM

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laughing_gas

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If you're familiar with SDA, you would know that 95% of the stuff kirby8943 says is complete BS.

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Posted: 5/14/2007 9:24 PM

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captain_compost

Joined: 1/20/2007
Posts: 26
Location: Hamilton, ON.

Not to mention that video was made as a joke, but some people took it seriously.

Posted: 5/14/2007 10:10 PM

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Mitjitsu

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I didn't know about the video until S@G posted it here, thinking it was a genuine sequence break. I probally would have taken a more relaxed point on view had I just stumbled across the video myself.

Posted: 5/15/2007 4:56 PM

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captain_compost

Joined: 1/20/2007
Posts: 26
Location: Hamilton, ON.

AKA wrote:

I didn't know about the video until S@G posted it here, thinking it was a genuine sequence break. I probally would have taken a more relaxed point on view had I just stumbled across the video myself.

Yeah, me too, though the "found by kirby8943" part should have been a dead giveaway.:p (I kid the kirby, I got nothing against him, really.)

Posted: 5/15/2007 6:56 PM

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KazooieBomchu

Joined: 5/3/2007
Posts: 12
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I have tried that bombchu from well early without lullabymany hours without succeess. I will try still more but it seem to be that you cannot get them without lullaby. I have found new stuff with BA and that keeps me hurry too so I don't always spent time to bottom of the well.

Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=Kazooie OoT PAL MST SS run: http://speeddemosarchive.com/OcarinaOfTime.html

Posted: 5/16/2007 8:38 AM

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Acryte

Joined: 1/10/2006
Posts: 144
Location: Oregon

I have found new stuff concerning bit addresses and items on c-right, item amounts specifically and other weirdness. I have yet to put my finger on it but I'll share my findings. Vid is uploading. Sorry for the shitty quality but my comp wasn't near the TV so I recorded it to VHS and then captured it from the VHS tape... I also used rewind while it wasn't stopped (because I don't care...) oh well. Youtube is being retarded so im uploading it to filefront. I have another vid im gonna upload too... http://files.filefront.com/Acryte___New_Glitching4_cavi/;7521762;;/fileinfo.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dxNNvzufWM You can also cast NL or DF but YOU DON"T CAST THE SPELL! You just do the motions but no fire or spell comes out... and you can pause halfway into the spell and swap items like NL to DF and then it will pull out your sword and shield and you look funny while you do the motions... Oh and when you are stuck running like that w/ your arm out... listen to this... YOU CANNOT BE DAMAGED OUT OF IT YOU CANNOT GET OUT OF IT W/ ANY ITEMS OR CHANGING OF EQUIPMENT HOVERBOOTS RUN AT A FASTER PACE YOU CANNOT JUMP OUT OF IT (lol he just jumps but stays like that) YOU CANNOT SWIM OUT OF IT (He keeps swimming but like that) I will currently see what happens if you exit the area like that.... NO Nayru's love is not required for this. No my cartridge isn't screwed up. I beat this NORMALLY and in order a long time ago. I tried this on other saves w/out doing anything special just to see if it is something that normally occurs. This is not the case.... here is the explanation: 1) I try to pull bombs... It keeps putting them away. I have to mash the trigger to pull out a bomb... this is not normal. 2) I have magic but cannot use it (this can be done w/out Nayrus love too by using backflips and quickspinning when you land or something idk... I have seen it, and I have done it). 3) I cannot use the magic but then again I can sometimes... and then I can't again. 4) Sometimes my bow acts like it has no arrows but then works and then stops working again. 5) Sometimes when I draw my hookshot and hold certain buttons it freezes link pulling out his hookshot while running in a straight line. I have no clue whether it can skip cutscenes of any sort or any kinds of effects it might have. my understanding or something: Here is what I've been using to activate it (not sure whether it works or not, and some of these things may be extraneous) Start in ToT as adult w/ Nayrus love on c-down and bombs on C-right and bow on C-left. 1) Mount + Dismount Epona and then fire off all 50 arrows into its neck 2)backrun over to LonLon ranch and catch a poe in bottle#1 after killing it w. the hookshot (equipped to c-left). 3) Now doing superslides and groundjumps I've seen when I had 29 bombs, this thing where you can't take out bombs. 4) Use Nayrus love and charge a spin attack. Run around and wait for Nayrus to end. Unleash it. Now... sometimes you don't have Magic quickspins. but the charge still has magic. Do more quickspins and grab arrows, notice that every once in a while the bow can't shoot... Also sometimes quickspins don't have magic and STAY that way. do a bunch of normal sword attacks and quickspins... sometimes you have magic again... now do charge attacks... sometimes you don't have magic again... idk... STILL IN THE PROCESS OF FIGURING THIS OUT. I think it has something to do w/ bombs on C-right and bit addresses.

Wisdom; Power; Courage.

Posted: 5/20/2007 9:24 PM

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