my advice: the runners put hours and hours of dedication into the run. so in my opinion it'd be no big deal at all to sacrifice one hour of your time to set up an easy to use linux distribution like ubuntu (www.ubuntu.com), spend another hour to get used to it and then go on with the run.
If you know what you're doing, you can keep a Windows system running well (at least XP...Vista is a bit less stable); if that's what you have and you don't want to ditch it to get the OS you would have gotten in the first place had you heard about it, use something like VMWare or Qemu to toy around with it, of course you will need some beefy specs to keep that and Windows running smoothly at the same time.
Pretty much to sum up my thoughts, I like to think I'm not an elitist prick. I use Linux because Windows is expensive. I use Linux because compared to other Unix likes it is more polished. I use Linux because I fix Windows computers for a living, and I really don't like coming home to the shit I have to deal with at work.
- don't care about viruses and spywareSo get a virus scanner or firewall?
Virus scanners frequently don't work. If they did I wouldn't have a job. I typically have to manually remove malware from a computer manually because no virus scanners pick up the file. (files that virustotal.com 0/39)
- operating system doesn't crash when running more than 2 applicationsThat depends on your system specs, doesn't it? I could run ten times that with my 1,6 Ghz CPU and 512 MB RAM. I guess yours sucks then.
Come now, the process scheduler for Linux is way better. Seriously, have you actually used Linux? Right now I'm generating a fractal movie and my load average is near 4.0, and I can still watch a movie without it skipping.
- free operating systemEver heard of pirating?
I'm not against people making money off of programming, if they want to. Actually, this is where I want to do eventually. If you don't want to pay for Windows. piracy isn't the best option.
- easier to use when used to itThat's VERY subjective though.
It is subjective, but it's also better documented. Linux is still a little rough around the edges, and if you care about polish and want to pony up $300 for a copy of Vista that's your prerogative.
Moreover, from the perspective of someone who fixes broken computers for a living, I've got a pretty good idea of some of the complexities of support for both Linux and Windows. And to be honest, Windows is more self healing, but when it screws the pooch it really, really screws the pooch.
For instance, Stop: 0x0000C1F5. This blue screen happens when something screws up during a Vista SP1 installation. This bluescreen is caused by disk corruption in the Transaction File Log. This is part of the NTFS FileSystem, and before I solved this issue (Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:57 pm) the only way to fix this issue is zero fill the disk and then reinstall Vista. A simple reinstall wouldn't work because it would crash the installer. You can't back up the disk to another computer running Vista because it will crash that computer too.
What's the fix? Boot into Linux (preferably a distribution with ntfs-3g) and:
Me, on the GS forums wrote:
Replace /dev/sda1 with the appropriate block device for your hard drive's active partition.
Code:
mount -t /dev/sda1 /disk
cd /disk/\$Extend/\$RmMetadata
cp \$Txf \$Txf.bak
cp \$TxfLog \$TxfLog.bak
rm -rf \$Txf/* \$TxfLog/*
cd /disk/Windows/System32/config
cp TxR TxR.bak
rm -rf TxR/*
cd /
umount /disk
And then Ctrl+Alt+Delete and the computer should boot.
This requires a running non-Windows kernel. A Windows kernel will not let you enter the $Extend directory or modify its contents.
I still get about 1 of these every month, and at the peak I got about 6 of these in a day. When a fix for a rather common problem requires knowing the gory details of your filesystem's metadata, well, something's wrong with that.
- operating system doesn't eat up 15 Gigabytes of Disk SpaceThe price ratio is around 0.8$/GB if I'm not mistaken, so I guess you can afford that.
But why waste it?
- operating system doesn't need 2 Gigs of RAM to run smoothFYI Vista needs 1 GB, XP needs MUCH less. I could run it smoothly with my 512 MB rig as stated above.
System requirements for XP is 128MB of Ram, system requirements for Vista with Aero enabled is 1 GB. It's not pleasant to run XP with 128MB RAM and it's not fun to run Vista with 1 GB.
- software for everything you need, but free (legally)I have software for everything I need, legally.
Except, you know, Windows.
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OmnipotentEntity wrote:
For instance, Stop: 0x0000C1F5. This blue screen happens when something screws up during a Vista SP1 installation. This bluescreen is caused by disk corruption in the Transaction File Log. This is part of the NTFS FileSystem, and before I solved this issue (Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:57 pm) the only way to fix this issue is zero fill the disk and then reinstall Vista. A simple reinstall wouldn't work because it would crash the installer. You can't back up the disk to another computer running Vista because it will crash that computer too.
It's not much better, but couldn't you delete the partition, then make a new one and format it NTFS? That would at least allow you to undelete files. Anyway, congrats on finding a proper fix, that's way beyond me.
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OmnipotentEntity wrote:
Pretty much to sum up my thoughts, I like to think I'm not an elitist prick. I use Linux because Windows is expensive. I use Linux because compared to other Unix likes it is more polished. I use Linux because I fix Windows computers for a living, and I really don't like coming home to the shit I have to deal with at work.
- don't care about viruses and spywareSo get a virus scanner or firewall?
Virus scanners frequently don't work. If they did I wouldn't have a job. I typically have to manually remove malware from a computer manually because no virus scanners pick up the file. (files that virustotal.com 0/39)
- operating system doesn't crash when running more than 2 applicationsThat depends on your system specs, doesn't it? I could run ten times that with my 1,6 Ghz CPU and 512 MB RAM. I guess yours sucks then.
Come now, the process scheduler for Linux is way better. Seriously, have you actually used Linux? Right now I'm generating a fractal movie and my load average is near 4.0, and I can still watch a movie without it skipping.
- free operating systemEver heard of pirating?
I'm not against people making money off of programming, if they want to. Actually, this is where I want to do eventually. If you don't want to pay for Windows. piracy isn't the best option.
- easier to use when used to itThat's VERY subjective though.
It is subjective, but it's also better documented. Linux is still a little rough around the edges, and if you care about polish and want to pony up $300 for a copy of Vista that's your prerogative.
Moreover, from the perspective of someone who fixes broken computers for a living, I've got a pretty good idea of some of the complexities of support for both Linux and Windows. And to be honest, Windows is more self healing, but when it screws the pooch it really, really screws the pooch.
For instance, Stop: 0x0000C1F5. This blue screen happens when something screws up during a Vista SP1 installation. This bluescreen is caused by disk corruption in the Transaction File Log. This is part of the NTFS FileSystem, and before I solved this issue (Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:57 pm) the only way to fix this issue is zero fill the disk and then reinstall Vista. A simple reinstall wouldn't work because it would crash the installer. You can't back up the disk to another computer running Vista because it will crash that computer too.
What's the fix? Boot into Linux (preferably a distribution with ntfs-3g) and:
Me, on the GS forums wrote:
Replace /dev/sda1 with the appropriate block device for your hard drive's active partition.
Code:
mount -t /dev/sda1 /disk
cd /disk/\$Extend/\$RmMetadata
cp \$Txf \$Txf.bak
cp \$TxfLog \$TxfLog.bak
rm -rf \$Txf/* \$TxfLog/*
cd /disk/Windows/System32/config
cp TxR TxR.bak
rm -rf TxR/*
cd /
umount /disk
And then Ctrl+Alt+Delete and the computer should boot.
This requires a running non-Windows kernel. A Windows kernel will not let you enter the $Extend directory or modify its contents.
I still get about 1 of these every month, and at the peak I got about 6 of these in a day. When a fix for a rather common problem requires knowing the gory details of your filesystem's metadata, well, something's wrong with that.
- operating system doesn't eat up 15 Gigabytes of Disk SpaceThe price ratio is around 0.8$/GB if I'm not mistaken, so I guess you can afford that.
But why waste it?
- operating system doesn't need 2 Gigs of RAM to run smoothFYI Vista needs 1 GB, XP needs MUCH less. I could run it smoothly with my 512 MB rig as stated above.
System requirements for XP is 128MB of Ram, system requirements for Vista with Aero enabled is 1 GB. It's not pleasant to run XP with 128MB RAM and it's not fun to run Vista with 1 GB.
- software for everything you need, but free (legally)I have software for everything I need, legally.
Except, you know, Windows.
Right, so I guess we have established that Linux is for people who don't like to pay up.
My published movies
[03:45:05] <Naohiro19> Soulrivers: ...
[03:45:19] <Soulrivers> ?
[03:46:35] <Naohiro19> <Soulrivers> No! <Naohiro19> So? <Soulrivers> Yes!
[03:46:48] <Naohiro19> joke
So now that its become a TAS-only catagory, has anyone thought of doing a low% TAS? I think it has certainly some of the most wtf out of the three catagories.
Also in my opinion Dual Boot Windows/Linux FTW
Comicalflop wrote:
I don't recommend HISSing at parties though, people will think you're a snake.
- operating system doesn't need 2 Gigs of RAM to run smooth
FYI Vista needs 1 GB, XP needs MUCH less. I could run it smoothly with my 512 MB rig as stated above.
when you turn off "Aero" Vista eats much less then 1GB RAM, nor sure now how many it wants then, but i think it eats somthing between 600 and 800 MB.
One of the first things I did in Vista was enabling the real "Administrator-Account" after that I turned off Aero.
Oh and @ Foetzli
Right now I have 75 Processes open, from that 75 Processes I have 9 "Visible" Applications, and that without any problem.
In this last page of the thread is a lot of the reasons I use windows XP. It's not obsolete by any standard despite its age and it runs wicked fast on any 2.4Ghz+ / 1.2Ghz dual core with at least a gig of ram.
Mind you, this is with a lot of tweaks... All updates and SP3 applied to the install disc, and custom settings to avoid a lot of configuration post-install, courtesy n-Lite, so I can have it up and running the way it should be and the way I use it personally in 30 minutes from a blank drive. Only uses like 3 GB of disk space (probably less, but im accounting for SP3). I also run 2+ghz of ram without a page file and in many respects I get performance comperable to last generation linux. I understand the pros of linux and the continued lack of compatability with the software I'm familiar with has kept me from it. I'm not happy about having pirated XP in the past but I've been legal for years.
Having said all that, we could compare dicks about operating systems all day... I think a lot about the newer Mac OS releases (2007+) is incredibly intuitive and sexy, and I understand Vista was delayed largely because of the massive developments in user-friendlyness that Mac was making during that timespan... but I think the comparisons have been sufficiently worn out on this page. I still don't understand exactly what the problem is, and for which platform it is a problem, with proceeding further in the current any% TAS. I'm seeing conflicting replies and so far all I know is that the run is being made on mupen on windows, and now a record reset is required and it doesn't exist for windows mupen yet. Is this correct? Does the record reset exist on linux's version of mupen? If so, maybe we, or one of us personally who programs, help the mupen project (semi-open source?) duplicate this feature, already written for another platform?
Much of the problems with Vista is fixed in Windows 7. I'm using the beta right now and it's much faster (for me anyway). The only problem is that the sidebar still takes 5-10 sec to load every time I start Windows (I removed it).
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Wockes wrote:
Much of the problems with Vista is fixed in Windows 7. I'm using the beta right now and it's much faster (for me anyway). The only problem is that the sidebar still takes 5-10 sec to load every time I start Windows (I removed it).
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Okay guys, enough with the 'which OS is better' talk. Feel free to discuss it at the Off topic section.
Nitrogenesis wrote:
Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!
Arc wrote:
I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.
natt wrote:
I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it
Cooljay wrote:
Mayor Haggar and Cody are such nice people for the community. Metro City's hospitals reached an all time new record of incoming patients due to their great efforts :P
Right, so I guess we have established that Linux is for people who don't like to pay up.
I can't believe that you're implying that I'm cheap when 2 posts ago you were advocating pirating XP as an alternative. Hypocrite.
It's not much better, but couldn't you delete the partition, then make a new one and format it NTFS? That would at least allow you to undelete files. Anyway, congrats on finding a proper fix, that's way beyond me.
You would need to wipe the partition information and the MFT, at least partly, but you couldn't do this with a Vista restore disc, because the restore disc will BSoD when it attempts to mount the hard drive (which happens automatically in Windows, which means you can't pair it with another Vista machine and format it that way)
Furthermore, if you're actually trying to fix the computer, rather than just a wipe and reinstall, you can't put the drive on an XP machine and recover the information that way.
Why? Shadow Volumes. The volsnap.sys on XP only will support a single Volume Shadow Copy. Which is not a bad thing if you're only putting XP formatted NTFS disks on it. However, if the volume has more than one Shadow Volume on it, it wipes the all of the Shadow Volumes from the drive.
Why is this a big deal? Simple. Vista changed how the System Restore feature works. Used to be that Restore points were kept in a hidden directory on the root of the C: drive name "System Volume Information" in a directory called _restore, and they were named RP followed by a number. Vista developers decided this was too clunky so they instead made it store files in Shadow Volumes, one for each restore point. I wrote up a little article about Shadow Volumes if you're interested. Here's the knowledge base article on this problem.
As a side note, Bisqwit, can you split this off into it's own thread?
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OmnipotentEntity wrote:
Right, so I guess we have established that Linux is for people who don't like to pay up.
I can't believe that you're implying that I'm cheap when 2 posts ago you were advocating pirating XP as an alternative. Hypocrite.
Now now, that was to counter the argument of XP being expensive, and therefore Linux being better. I'd say that isn't a valid argument as there are ways to get around it, is there not?
And how can I be a hypocrite if I never implied I myself pirated XP? I simply offered options.
My published movies
[03:45:05] <Naohiro19> Soulrivers: ...
[03:45:19] <Soulrivers> ?
[03:46:35] <Naohiro19> <Soulrivers> No! <Naohiro19> So? <Soulrivers> Yes!
[03:46:48] <Naohiro19> joke
So i basicly just signed up on these forums so I could write in this thread.
I was wondering if there is any sort of "trickmovie" made for zelda, with the different glitches and tricks etc showed. Preferably with a description or audiocommentary to go along with it.
Also I have been reading this thread, but can't figure out the relation of the windows/linux discussion with zelda oot. Does it have something to do with the usability of the software used for making the videos?
thanks
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Although not a trick movie per se you can find most of the tricks used in the runs here and many others explained on the Ocarina of Time tricks page and many of them have accompanying videos.
Alternatively you could use youtube if you felt like spending hours braving the wasteland trying to find something useful. Organised, concise and up-to-date glitch documentation is difficult to come across on the internet these days unfortunately...
thx for links Mukki & KirbySSB.
I have been watching all the runs I could find so far, but they all seem inferior to the routes described. Except for maybe the 100% run on speeddemosarchieve. Why are there no full runs with the door of time skip? Is it impossible to complete the game that way, or is it just me failing to find the vids? Does anyone have a link to the fastest current run of Zelda Oot? (any%)
edit: many of the links on the page: http://zeldaspeedrun.dreamhosters.com/oot/ don't work
there hasnt been a proper run done yet
runnerguy has done some segments for the any% route on youtube. Also there is groobo's test run to show the route (emulator)
