Funny thing, there are permanent flags in dungeons that are used for temporary things. Like, the small key chest in the fire ring in GTG, if you save the game while the fire is down, it stays down forever until you reenter that room and wait around for a minute or so, and then the fire comes back up. There are plenty more examples. So yeah, obviously we should go around and find every permanent flag and make sure they're all set, lol.
TAS Competition has been started once again. Bloobiebla and Sam will definitely enter, so I'm certain we will be able to see some very good submissions.
Would be cool to see some new people joining as well ;)
We might start doing the 100% run as a collaborative project soon, so if anyone is interested in taking part at that, he could use this task as some kind of warm up or practice for it.
Edit: Link to the competition:
http://forums.zeldaspeedruns.com/index.php?topic=1250.0
TAS Competition has been started once again. Bloobiebla and Sam will definitely enter, so I'm certain we will be able to see some very good submissions.
Would be cool to see some new people joining as well ;)
We might start doing the 100% run as a collaborative project soon, so if anyone is interested in taking part at that, he could use this task as some kind of warm up or practice for it.
TAS Competition has been started once again. Bloobiebla and Sam will definitely enter, so I'm certain we will be able to see some very good submissions.
Would be cool to see some new people joining as well ;)
We might start doing the 100% run as a collaborative project soon, so if anyone is interested in taking part at that, he could use this task as some kind of warm up or practice for it.
just follow the same rules as the speedrunning community and that's it.
But the question I had, which we should discuss, is if the 100% run should get the additional heart piece in Lord Jabu Jabus belly that is only accessible with game shark codes. I think so, because it's awesome
just follow the same rules as the speedrunning community and that's it.
But the question I had, which we should discuss, is if the 100% run should get the additional heart piece in Lord Jabu Jabus belly that is only accessible with game shark codes. I think so, because it's awesome
Game Shark should never, ever be uttered when you're talking speed runs.
I just came across this video showing 30 hearts on the HUD. Of course, this uses RBA to get extra heart pieces (so most of those extra heart don't count as actual heart pieces collected) but I had never seen what happens if you get more than 20 hearts on-screen. Pretty weird.
Link to video
Edit: check out the very end of that video, the extra heart pieces are added to the medallion row on the file selection screen and one of them appears on its own on the very end. Very odd.
And you posted a 2 year old video here because....?
Maybe because it was relevant to the discussion of 'How do we define 100% for OoT?' - as in 'If you can get more than 20 hearts using glitches, and we allow duping/rba/etc in 100%, does that mean it's not 100% to stop at 20?'
And you posted a 2 year old video here because....?
Maybe because it was relevant to the discussion of 'How do we define 100% for OoT?' - as in 'If you can get more than 20 hearts using glitches, and we allow duping/rba/etc in 100%, does that mean it's not 100% to stop at 20?'
Not really. The game default is 20, so anything over that seems obvious to be unnecessary and exceeding 100%.
In other games where you can duplicate collectibles, like Metroid Prime 2, 100% is normally defined as collecting every item that's meant to count towards percentage, regardless of what the percentage actually ends up as.
In other games where you can duplicate collectibles, like Metroid Prime 2, 100% is normally defined as collecting every item that's meant to count towards percentage, regardless of what the percentage actually ends up as.
You're comparing a game with an actual percent counter to one without.
I think the point remains, though. The definition of 100% in Metroid Prime (2) is to pick every item* attainable through the game, regardless of how it affects hud, etc.
So we should collect all heart pieces, regardless of how many hearts we end up with, even if the game only intends you to have 20 hearts.
*) Definition of item will not be discussed here. Suffice to say, all have agreed that heart pieces is included in the definition of items to pick up.
In other games where you can duplicate collectibles, like Metroid Prime 2, 100% is normally defined as collecting every item that's meant to count towards percentage, regardless of what the percentage actually ends up as.
You're comparing a game with an actual percent counter to one without.
I know. There are at least two arguments involved here (what items to collect, and what counts as collecting them). In the case of the Prime series, the first argument is solved for us by the game, but the second isn't; and it's the second argument that I'm discussing in the context of OoT, so I think the analogy still works.
I think the point remains, though. The definition of 100% in Metroid Prime (2) is to pick every item* attainable through the game, regardless of how it affects hud, etc.
So we should collect all heart pieces, regardless of how many hearts we end up with, even if the game only intends you to have 20 hearts.
*) Definition of item will not be discussed here. Suffice to say, all have agreed that heart pieces is included in the definition of items to pick up.
So at what point do we stop? 20 hearts? 24 hearts? 30 hearts? Additionally, in this particular point of obtaining items in the game, duping hearts would be void because you're not getting all the hearts. You're just picking up the same one repeatedly.
Duping hearts wouldn't be counted as collecting items. And if we could get an item infinitely often, then there is no point in collecting it.
But the heart piece in Gerudo as a kid, for example, would count towards being collected.
Duping hearts wouldn't be counted as collecting items. And if we could get an item infinitely often, then there is no point in collecting it.
But the heart piece in Gerudo as a kid, for example, would count towards being collected.
I agree on this. I think duping in this sense is perfectly fine as long as it's not used as a means to reach '20 hearts' or whatever. That being said, I don't think it has a use in the run.
So at what point do we stop? 20 hearts? 24 hearts? 30 hearts? Additionally, in this particular point of obtaining items in the game, duping hearts would be void because you're not getting all the hearts. You're just picking up the same one repeatedly.
Can't we just stop where ever we happen to end up after getting all of the heart pieces? Whether that's 20 hearts, 70, or 20.25 doesn't really seem like it would matter
