Topic by GuanoBowl

Posted: 7/12/2006 7:34 AM

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GuanoBowl

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mwl wrote:

Oh, really? So can you stay ahead of him for the duration of the entire race?

Yeah, but only he can open the doors to the next "level" of the race which is a bummer. This poe boost is a big problem. I am feeling like it is not going to work.

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Posted: 7/12/2006 1:14 PM

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The ground jump just lets you do a small jump when you're not in an area where you can normally jump. Since there's that railing in the area that Link jumps off of, there's no use for the ground jump for the poe boost. If you end up having to wait around for 10 seconds or so to make the poe be manipulated in the right way, I'm sure that no one who has followed this thread would mind. Even though it may seem like the poe is in an optimal place and is attacking in an optimal way, it's likely that the first good looking opportunity isn't good enough. But other than that, I hope you don't give up. Feel free to just take it slow. It might take months to do. =( Good luck with it!

Posted: 7/12/2006 8:02 PM

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AzHP

Joined: 6/20/2006
Posts: 142

Is there a video of someone actually doing the poe boost? It doesn't seem possible...

Posted: 7/12/2006 8:43 PM

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YautjaElder

Joined: 3/29/2006
Posts: 273
Location: Sweden

AzHP wrote:

Is there a video of someone actually doing the poe boost? It doesn't seem possible...

Nope, the only one who claims to have done it is AKA and he said that he wouldn't even try to make a video of it because it is too hard. :(

Posted: 7/13/2006 2:52 AM

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AzHP

Joined: 6/20/2006
Posts: 142

Is there a backup plan in case the poe boost isn't possible for any reason? Otherwise the whole route would be in jeopardy...

Posted: 7/13/2006 4:45 AM

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mwl

Joined: 3/22/2006
Posts: 636

AKA can do the poe boost for GuanoBowl since he suggested it in the first place. :) If it really doesn't work out, the run may need to be redone following Jabu. :(

Posted: 7/13/2006 4:52 AM

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AzHP

Joined: 6/20/2006
Posts: 142

AKA also claimed to have gotten 50 seconds on dam in goldeneye 007 and 4:40 on OoT without proof. It might just be a dead end.

Posted: 7/13/2006 8:09 AM

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mwl

Joined: 3/22/2006
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You're being very ignorant. AKA released videos of his 4:40 run a while ago. Check the main OoT topic at SDA. Also, if you've seen his trick list on Youtube, you'll see that he's discovered and demonstrated a lot of helpful shortcuts, such as the 2.5 temple skip, the Din's Fire skips, and part of the Rainbow Bridge skip. It's understandable if he can't show off the Poe boost. He said the trick took him freaking seven hours to pull off. Which sane person would want to spend even more time on it just to show others, when he can describe how it's done? Sure, he didn't provide proof for one trick, but what about all the rest for which he did?

Posted: 7/13/2006 1:45 PM

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Dacicus

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Did he describe it in detail anywhere? /me hopes it's not somewhere in the giant SDA topic.

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Posted: 7/13/2006 7:21 PM

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GuanoBowl

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This is becoming hopeless. Maybe I should just start back after Jabu. If thats the case wont this be the new route: --Take river down to get bean, buy 2 beans for 10 and 20 rupee's (30 total) --Ocarina warp to Desert and plant 1 bean for Mirror Shield and Iron Knuckle skip and die to leevers(Ill only have I think 1/2 or 1/4 heart before the leevers. --Return in Links House and go from the Lost Woods to Goron City. --Beat the boss and climb mountain and jumpslash to enter Great Fairy fountain. --Take the owl down to the Town and go to the Graveyard to plant bean --Then go to Castle Grounds, yada yada yada, pull master sword. This sound about correct?

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Posted: 7/13/2006 7:58 PM

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YautjaElder

Joined: 3/29/2006
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AKA hasn't been around for a while, not here nor at SDA. Wonder where he is...

Posted: 7/13/2006 10:53 PM

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mwl

Joined: 3/22/2006
Posts: 636

Yes, that's right, Guano. Hmm, good question. AKA's last post on SDA was July 8 (five days ago), and he usually posts multiple times every day. I hope he's all right...

Posted: 7/13/2006 10:58 PM

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GuanoBowl

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Ill save the .m64 file and all the save states in a .rar, then start from after Jabu with all new ones.

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Posted: 7/13/2006 11:32 PM

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DK64_MASTER

Joined: 10/24/2005
Posts: 1080
Location: San Jose

Would it be at all possible to lure another poe, and do a double damage boost? I'll give it one more shot when I get home in a few hours. I've been trying whenever possible, but no luck. :(.

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Posted: 7/13/2006 11:39 PM

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NMcCoy

Joined: 6/1/2006
Posts: 64

I think that Link can't get damaged again until he stops flashing from the previous hit.

Posted: 7/14/2006 1:50 AM

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DK64_MASTER

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NMcCoy wrote:

I think that Link can't get damaged again until he stops flashing from the previous hit.

Yeah, probably true... Can we use this? http://www.paperpengo.com/Zelda/Bombchu%20Hover.divx Curtosy of Fierce.... You can use backflips to go higher. You have to perform the endless sword glitch first. You could do that by killing a poe near the fence, and using it to perform the endless sword glitch. Then backflip up! Everyone wins! Ok, here is the endless sword glitch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVBv8NYawIk&search=Zelda%20Ocarina%20 of%20Time%20 From this part of the huge OOT topic: http://speeddemosarchive.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=consoles_newer;action=display;num=1148063879;start=825 It's not a long read, but I don't have time to explain it all, nor do I understand it all. Edit2: This topic is where Fierce posted it. It's expanding quite rapidly with ideas. http://speeddemosarchive.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=consoles_newer;action=display;num=1150663609;start=150#150

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Posted: 7/14/2006 2:37 AM

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xebra

Joined: 5/3/2004
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Why do his bombchus decrement and then increment every time he jumps? Is that the nature of the glitch or is he using game genie?

Posted: 7/14/2006 3:19 AM

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DK64_MASTER

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Location: San Jose

xebra wrote:

Why do his bombchus decrement and then increment every time he jumps? Is that the nature of the glitch or is he using game genie?

No clue. I'm not even sure the trick works in OOT... But someone else just beat GBT (Majora's Mask) without the Ice arrows. And they are trying to get to stone tower w/out the elegy of emptiness. I think he's using the blast mask to do stuff, so he doesn't run out bombchus.

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Posted: 7/14/2006 4:25 AM

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Dacicus

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DK64_MASTER wrote:

I think he's using the blast mask to do stuff, so he doesn't run out bombchus.

Doesn't it take about a minute for the mask to reload? Also, is there a limit to how long you can hover using that glitch?

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Posted: 7/14/2006 4:45 AM

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NMcCoy

Joined: 6/1/2006
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I think he's using an infinite bombchus code for demonstration purposes - that's how such codes typically look while in use. I'm pretty sure the sword trick works the same in OoT, so this should be applicable. The real question is does the trick work with bombs? We might have a use for those spare bombs now...

Posted: 7/14/2006 5:29 AM

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DK64_MASTER

Joined: 10/24/2005
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Location: San Jose

NMcCoy wrote:

I think he's using an infinite bombchus code for demonstration purposes - that's how such codes typically look while in use. I'm pretty sure the sword trick works the same in OoT, so this should be applicable. The real question is does the trick work with bombs? We might have a use for those spare bombs now...

Fierce says it works in OOT (well he says it should, he hasn't tried it). And he's confident that it works with Bombs. On a different note, I played part of GB's movie with the OOT Cel Shaded Mod: https://webfiles.berkeley.edu/DK64_MASTER/shared/finally.swf.rar Just unzip, double click the html file, allow the activeX control to run (if it appears) and watch the flash video. It's choppy, but I just wanted to see if maybe the whole run could be encoded in the cel shaded mod, (skipping the desynchs by splitting up recording session and loading a save state)... Here are some better images:

More avaliable here: http://www.gamersadvanced.com/blackmage/ Installation and plugins available here: http://www.thehylia.com/forums/index.php/topic,7558.0.html Hey, we might as well kill some time until GB gets this poe boost sorted out. Hopefully he can use the hover glitch.

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Posted: 7/14/2006 7:23 AM

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DK64_MASTER

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Apparently, you can't do this trick with bombs in OOT, which is a major bummer. The shield doesn't block the damage, or something. However, this trick will work with enemies, since they repel the shield, allowing you to backflip, sidehop. So hopefully we can use the poe to our advantaged. Now the the only question is, how/where do you peform the endless sword glitch? Ideally, you should peform it on the fence, so you don't need to backflip as much. But to perform it, we need something that signals text. A poe spirit does this, but after it disappears, how do we boost ourselves? Unless you lure 2 poes... Damn, it's going to be tough, and maybe slow.

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Posted: 7/14/2006 11:22 AM

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GuanoBowl

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how do you do the bomb, ocarina, fish trick?

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Posted: 7/14/2006 12:06 PM

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YautjaElder

Joined: 3/29/2006
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DK64_MASTER wrote:

Apparently, you can't do this trick with bombs in OOT, which is a major bummer. The shield doesn't block the damage, or something. However, this trick will work with enemies, since they repel the shield, allowing you to backflip, sidehop. So hopefully we can use the poe to our advantaged. Now the the only question is, how/where do you peform the endless sword glitch? Ideally, you should peform it on the fence, so you don't need to backflip as much. But to perform it, we need something that signals text. A poe spirit does this, but after it disappears, how do we boost ourselves? Unless you lure 2 poes... Damn, it's going to be tough, and maybe slow.

You can do the sword glitch by using the sign at the entreance to the graveyard, or the large gravestone.

Posted: 7/14/2006 12:21 PM

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NMcCoy

Joined: 6/1/2006
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You can also do it anywhere if Navi has something for you to HEY! LISTEN!! to.